4 Reasons the Cowboys Should Sign DeMarco Murray

Sydla · Jul 9, 2018

Fla Cowpoke said:
Who said he had a significant future? You are reaching to try and prove a point. His 2016 yards per carry were better than Zeke's 2017 stats. So does that mean that Zeke is washed up?

Murray may not be a bell cow type of back, but he would be great insurance. His issues in Philly were because he was in a system that did not fit his strengths. He was a round peg trying to be pushed through a square hole. He had a good year in Tennessee his first year despite being in a two back system. Last year his numbers were down as he fought injuries.

I don't think anyone is screaming for us to sign him. If we did it does make sense on some levels. I just don't think it is going to happen.

I believe plasticman is screaming to sign him.

AbeBeta · Jul 9, 2018

Idgit said:
Yeah, the only evidence I have that Murray believed he took less to play for a rival is a direct quote from him saying he took less money to play for a rival. That seems pretty skimpy now that you bring up the thing about contract structure. What if he’s mistaken? What if he’s just lying?

Intent is all that matters here.

So let me clarify. You are angry that a player took less money (albeit much more than Dallas offered) to go to a team coming off 10-6 season instead of a 3-13 team?

That's idgiotic.

sean10mm · Jul 9, 2018

Dead old running backs have no value, sorry. The Titans had a good OL and force fed him the ball half the season and he still only averaged 3.6 YPC and 6.8 yards/reception.

Derrick Henry's numbers in the exact same circumstances were 4.2 and 12.4 (!!!)

Fla Cowpoke · Jul 9, 2018

sean10mm said:
Dead old running backs have no value, sorry. The Titans had a good OL and force fed him the ball half the season and he still only averaged 3.6 YPC and 6.8 yards/reception.

Derrick Henry's numbers in the exact same circumstances were 4.2 and 12.4 (!!!)

Murray was nursing an injury all year long. He played because they needed him to. The Titans do have a pretty decent line but their passing game threatens no one.

Melonfeud · Jul 9, 2018

TwentyOne said:
I have a fifth reason:

He is all about the money and we have enough cap space right now.

That IS funny.

casmith07 · Jul 9, 2018

Murray is 30 years old, which is three years past the expiration age for running backs of 26. Not a wise signing for any team for anything but the veteran minimum as a backup.

Edit/Clarification: The last age that I believe a RB to be effective is age 26. I would not sign a guy after his "age 26 season" at RB, under any circumstances.

Melonfeud · Jul 9, 2018

Idgit said:
Yeah, the only evidence I have that Murray believed he took less to play for a rival is a direct quote from him saying he took less money to play for a rival. That seems pretty skimpy now that you bring up the thing about contract structure. What if he’s mistaken? What if he’s just lying?

Intent is all that matters here.

You wouldn't happen to of been a "left wing political operative" in a past life ,would've you Idgit?,,,as that angled premise is straight outta' their black bag of attack/ destroy,,,

kiheikiwi · Jul 9, 2018

No, no, no and NO !

skinsscalper · Jul 9, 2018

AbeBeta said:
Without an ounce of info on contact structure, guarantees, etc. You are relying on nothing info. Raiders deal could have been 50 mill with half the guarantees.

Seriously? Take your *** whoopin' like a man and move on.

AbeBeta · Jul 9, 2018

skinsscalper said:
Seriously? Take your *** whoopin' like a man and move on.

Here's a question.

What's more money?

5 years 42 million, 21 mill guaranteed.

Or

5 years, 45 million, 21 mill guaranteed

We've got two contracts that are equivalent in reality but one, to the untrained eye, looks like more money.

Structure actually means everything

plasticman · Jul 10, 2018

Sydla said:
First of all, what sensible contract was he going to sign here? He got $21MM guaranteed from the Eagles.

And the reasons for not signing him were pretty well documented - studies showed at his age and at his usage, he was likely to regress. And guess what? He did. In the last three years, he has had one good season. He was average to below average in 2015 and 2017.

Cowboys were smart for not resigning him

Pretty well documented and pretty well wrong.

Perhaps the trauma of the 2015 season has suppressed your memory.Tony Romo went down and the backup would have been far more successful if they had a legitimate veteran RB behind an experienced physical offensive line......like 2016 when Romo went down again and a rookie QB 4th round pick was able to reel of 11 consecutive wins behind a dynamic running game.

2015- A bargain basement RB with a big mouth (Randle) and a motor that lasted one quarter.Another former disappointment, (McFadden) a veteran that could sneeze and end up on the disabled list, former 1st rounder that could only run successfully when it just didn't matter any more.

Studies are almost always misinterpreted by the media, a large number of them seem to be far too proud of the C- they got in Statistics for Journalism majors.

For example, the premise that Murray was washed up after being "overused" because of the number of carriers only compared him to the group that had more than his carries, about 7ot 8 players.He should have been imbedded into a group of carries plus/minus his number so that his numbers would represent the average of the group.

Since the record for carries was 14 more than his total, it would have been proper to compare him to all RB's +/- 14 of his total carries and not just the upper bound.When you do it the proper way, you don't get a group of washed up guys that did little after that big season. instead you get a who's who list of great Hall of Famers and Super Bowl MVP's with much of it happening after the season in question.

Again, as far as his age, I have already provided over 40 examples since the year 2000 where an older RB had a thousand yard season.Did other RB's in the study have an offensive line comprised of three 1st team All Pros? Where they backups to the most physical young RB in the game today? Did the others enter the game after the opponent defense had been thoroughly abused by this starter?

The other Cowboy RB's are pedestrian and would only be effective after sitting Zeke in the 4th quarter of a route.Murray would be a great change up but some of you still kling to opinions that were formed amid misinformation.

And, yes, far before negotiations, Murray had indicated that he wasn't going to play hardball, the offer by Jerry Jones was just another failed lowball attempt based on the very misguided perception of the man that made the following quote:

"Emmitt Smith is a luxury, not a necessity"

Jerry voiced this gem during the first part of the 93' season. Consequently, they lost their first two games, Jerry surrendered,and Emmitt took the Cowboys to the Super Bowl championship, earning MVP for the game.

plasticman · Jul 10, 2018

Three references reporting the Cowboys offer to Murray in 2015, all considered the contract below market value, some considered it insulting:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...marco-murray-dallas-cowboys-disagree-on-value

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/dallas-cowboys-demarco-murray-contract-offer-free-agency-031215

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...offer-deal-nfc-east/ui7kw0ccresj1canlxth9gw7p

Recall, this was after a season that broke Emmitt's record for Cowboy rushing yards in one season as well as Jim brown's 50 year old record for consecutive 100 yard games.

Some used the excuse that RB;s weren't important in today's game.The Cowboys destroyed that perception a season later and now three RB's were drafted in the top ten over the past two drafts.

T-RO · Jul 10, 2018

Not at all persuaded, but out of curiousity how big/long a contract are you suggesting?

Melonfeud · Jul 10, 2018

plasticman said:
Pretty well documented and pretty well wrong.

Perhaps the trauma of the 2015 season has suppressed your memory.Tony Romo went down and the backup would have been far more successful if they had a legitimate veteran RB behind an experienced physical offensive line......like 2016 when Romo went down again and a rookie QB 4th round pick was able to reel of 11 consecutive wins behind a dynamic running game.

2015- A bargain basement RB with a big mouth (Randle) and a motor that lasted one quarter.Another former disappointment, (McFadden) a veteran that could sneeze and end up on the disabled list, former 1st rounder that could only run successfully when it just didn't matter any more.

Studies are almost always misinterpreted by the media, a large number of them seem to be far too proud of the C- they got in Statistics for Journalism majors.

For example, the premise that Murray was washed up after being "overused" because of the number of carriers only compared him to the group that had more than his carries, about 7ot 8 players.He should have been imbedded into a group of carries plus/minus his number so that his numbers would represent the average of the group.

Since the record for carries was 14 more than his total, it would have been proper to compare him to all RB's +/- 14 of his total carries and not just the upper bound.When you do it the proper way, you don't get a group of washed up guys that did little after that big season. instead you get a who's who list of great Hall of Famers and Super Bowl MVP's with much of it happening after the season in question.

Again, as far as his age, I have already provided over 40 examples since the year 2000 where an older RB had a thousand yard season.Did other RB's in the study have an offensive line comprised of three 1st team All Pros? Where they backups to the most physical young RB in the game today? Did the others enter the game after the opponent defense had been thoroughly abused by this starter?

The other Cowboy RB's are pedestrian and would only be effective after sitting Zeke in the 4th quarter of a route.Murray would be a great change up but some of you still kling to opinions that were formed amid misinformation.

And, yes, far before negotiations, Murray had indicated that he wasn't going to play hardball, the offer by Jerry Jones was just another failed lowball attempt based on the very misguided perception of the man that made the following quote:

"Emmitt Smith is a luxury, not a necessity"

Jerry voiced this gem during the first part of the 93' season. Consequently, they lost their first two games, Jerry surrendered,and Emmitt took the Cowboys to the Super Bowl championship, earning MVP for the game.

,,,

,,,at first it kinda came across like you were running ol' x#20Darren Macfadden up the flag pole& into the funnies pages ,,, :huh:

,,, and other than him probably elbowing a hole into a concrete block wall after # 21 was drafted ,I don't recall him ever folding up due to injury while he sported the star, he was a fast, well rounded R.B.who could competently man his post, it's unfortunate the gnarled claws of football fate kept him shaded from the light of greatness

John813 · Jul 10, 2018

If we didn't acquire Austin/have that showing from Smith, I could see the Cowboys thinking about that. However, unless Zeke gets injured medium to long term, I think the FO thinks we are more than set at the RB position.
Murray can provide pass blocking protection, knows the scheme and can be a dual threat back, but he is also 30, and has suffered more injuries since his time here.

IIRC Smith was more than adequate in his blocking techinque and has shown he can catch/run the rock.

Silver N Blue · Jul 10, 2018

Idgit said:
He signed with the Eagles. He can take eating advice from Cole Beasley as far as I’m concerned.

And the number one reason why they shouldn't.

Sydla · Jul 10, 2018

plasticman said:
Pretty well documented and pretty well wrong.

Perhaps the trauma of the 2015 season has suppressed your memory.Tony Romo went down and the backup would have been far more successful if they had a legitimate veteran RB behind an experienced physical offensive line......like 2016 when Romo went down again and a rookie QB 4th round pick was able to reel of 11 consecutive wins behind a dynamic running game.

2015- A bargain basement RB with a big mouth (Randle) and a motor that lasted one quarter.Another former disappointment, (McFadden) a veteran that could sneeze and end up on the disabled list, former 1st rounder that could only run successfully when it just didn't matter any more.

Studies are almost always misinterpreted by the media, a large number of them seem to be far too proud of the C- they got in Statistics for Journalism majors.

For example, the premise that Murray was washed up after being "overused" because of the number of carriers only compared him to the group that had more than his carries, about 7ot 8 players.He should have been imbedded into a group of carries plus/minus his number so that his numbers would represent the average of the group.

Since the record for carries was 14 more than his total, it would have been proper to compare him to all RB's +/- 14 of his total carries and not just the upper bound.When you do it the proper way, you don't get a group of washed up guys that did little after that big season. instead you get a who's who list of great Hall of Famers and Super Bowl MVP's with much of it happening after the season in question.

Again, as far as his age, I have already provided over 40 examples since the year 2000 where an older RB had a thousand yard season.Did other RB's in the study have an offensive line comprised of three 1st team All Pros? Where they backups to the most physical young RB in the game today? Did the others enter the game after the opponent defense had been thoroughly abused by this starter?

The other Cowboy RB's are pedestrian and would only be effective after sitting Zeke in the 4th quarter of a route.Murray would be a great change up but some of you still kling to opinions that were formed amid misinformation.

And, yes, far before negotiations, Murray had indicated that he wasn't going to play hardball, the offer by Jerry Jones was just another failed lowball attempt based on the very misguided perception of the man that made the following quote:

"Emmitt Smith is a luxury, not a necessity"

Jerry voiced this gem during the first part of the 93' season. Consequently, they lost their first two games, Jerry surrendered,and Emmitt took the Cowboys to the Super Bowl championship, earning MVP for the game.

I mean it's quite clear at this point that this all about you being butt hurt that Murray wasn't resigned 3 years ago. I mean that's obvious at this point so I am not sure how logical you are being at this point.

Second, you never answered the question. What "sensible" contract would he have signed here in Dallas? He got $21MM guaranteed from Philly and $42MM overall. That was a pretty sizeable contract for a running back. Are you suggesting the Cowboys should have offered that?

And no, there were studies that showed the decline in RBs in the season immediately following a season where Murray had the carries that he did.

The other part you want to ignore is it's likely Murray wouldn't even come back here. He's likely holding out for another decent pay day and possibly a starting gig and neither are going to be options here in Dallas.

PS - Stop using 2015 as some proof that we made the wrong choice on Murray. 2015 had nothing to do with who was playing TB. That team would have lost a crap ton of games even with Murray because their QB play was so terrible.

OmerV · Jul 10, 2018

Hardline said:
Zeke is a three down player and should never come off the field.

I don't think Murray is a right fit for the present team, but you can't view the need for a quality backup as if his only role is to take snaps away from the healthy starter. Aside from the fact every player can benefit from at least a few plays off here and there, backups are there to step in when players get hurt.

Sydla · Jul 10, 2018

OmerV said:
I don't think Murray is a right fit for the present team, but you can't view the need for a quality backup as if his only role is to take snaps away from the healthy starter. Aside from the fact every player can benefit from at least a few plays off here and there, backups are there to step in when players get hurt.

And we found a competent backup in Alfred Morris for basically cheap.

We don't need to go out and spend what Murray is likely looking for just to have a competent backup.

OmerV · Jul 10, 2018

Sydla said:
And we found a competent backup in Alfred Morris for basically cheap.

We don't need to go out and spend what Murray is likely looking for just to have a competent backup.

I agree.

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