Jerry is intimidated by this

yimyammer · Nov 8, 2018

CouchCoach said:
That FA CB we had for one season said he'd never seen anything like it. Team meetings held up because Booger & Idiot Boy Child were running late.

who are you referring to? Do you have a link to the story or interview?

CouchCoach · Nov 8, 2018

yimyammer said:
who are you referring to? Do you have a link to the story or interview?

No, I just recall him being here and then released and he ended up with another team and talked about how weird the set up was with the Cowboys. I cannot recall his name but I know he was a DB.

yimyammer · Nov 8, 2018

CouchCoach said:
And for that reason, how do I know what kind of HC Garrett could have been? He's never had the job.

I've thought the same thing many times, I think there are obvious legitimate criticisms we can loft his way but we'll never truly know what kind of coach JG would be without being under the thumb of jeri (not excusing JG as he submits to it all and is therefore complicit).

I have similar feelings regarding the chain of command, I designed and built houses for 25 years and had a project manager that was responsible for getting my designs built. I would check on the job periodically; everyone knew it was my company, my designs and that I had all the answers and would therefore ask me questions about job site issues and how they pertained to my intended design.

I would never answer their questions and instead told them they'd have to ask the PM. I would have destroyed his authority by answering their questions and cost myself time, money and aggavaton if I authorized a change my PM wasn't aware of that he in turn forced the subcontractor to fix because I gave my PM explicit instructions to build to plan unless he and I meet and write up a clear change of specifications for all to follow PRIOR to any work being done.

Chain of command is important, not because of stupid ego reasons but because when its implemented properly, things get done well, on time and each person responsible for their part of the puzzle has pride of ownership and independence.

Jeri doesnt seem to understand he's not the only ambitious person on the planet and when he sucks all the air out the building for the glorification of his own fragile ego, he misses out on leveraging other hungry ambitious folks who would also like recognition for a job well done.

plasticman · Nov 8, 2018

waving monkey said:
Jimmy drove himself off
Parcell's walked on his on decision
Parcells said he and Jerry got along . _parcells lost his drive and suffered from depression it's well know

Jerry reneged on his agreement to give Jimmy full control. Parcells never lost his drive, it was over because of Jerry's interference. There was no way that Parcells approved of signing TO. That was the last straw.

waving monkey · Nov 8, 2018

plasticman said:
Jerry reneged on his agreement to give Jimmy full control. Parcells never lost his drive, it was over because of Jerry's interference. There was no way that Parcells approved of signing TO. That was the last straw.

"I say, I support it,' and that's the way we go, Parcells said Friday. "I don't view it as a gamble. It's in my best interest that he's successful. And it's in his best interest that he's successful. ...
https://newsok.com/article/2943029/nflbrparcells-says-he-supports-terrell-owens-in-dallas

CouchCoach · Nov 8, 2018

yimyammer said:
I've thought the same thing many times, I think there are obvious legitimate criticisms we can loft his way but we'll never truly know what kind of coach JG would be without being under the thumb of jeri (not excusing JG as he submits to it all and is therefore complicit).

I have similar feelings regarding the chain of command, I designed and built houses for 25 years and had a project manager that was responsible for getting my designs built. I would check on the job periodically; everyone knew it was my company, my designs and that I had all the answers and would therefore ask me questions about job site issues and how they pertained to my intended design.

I would never answer their questions and instead told them they'd have to ask the PM. I would have destroyed his authority by answering their questions and cost myself time, money and aggavaton if I authorized a change my PM wasn't aware of that he in turned forced the subcontractor to fix because I gave my PM explicit instructions to build to plan unless he and I meet and write up a clear change of specifications for all to follow PRIOR to any work being done.

Chain of command is important, not because of stupid ego reasons but because when its implemented properly, things get done well, on time and each person responsible for their part of the puzzle has pride of ownership and independence.

Jeri doesnt seem to understand he's not the only ambitious person on the planet and when he sucks all the air out the building for the glorification of his own fragile ego, he misses out on leveraging other hungry ambitious folks who would also like recognition for a job well done.

It is a mystery why this "football man" thing is so important up to even asking the local media if he will get credit if they win another.

I also wondered why Johnson had such a problem letting a little credit go toward Booger until I read that excerpt from the book that Booger had gone so far to ask him to look at him in the war room before the pick was made to give the impression he was the one making it. That pissed Johnson off so much that he told Wannstedt that he would not attend the draft but he guilted him in how that would look to the team and draft picks.

Jimmy was the blessing and the curse. Had Booger not hired him and given him control, the turnaround would not have happened so fast and Booger would have been forced to do what Bright had to do. Few guys back then would have thought to trade their best player, and only marquis one, away. I remember all of the "what the hells" going on at that time. Jones comes in shooting his mouth off, fires the legend, hires the "leader of the gang" and then trades Walker away and to top that off these two former Razorback roommates were running the Texas NFL franchise. Back then, I didn't know anyone that thought that would turn out like it did and the only positive part of that was Johnson, he knew talent at OSU and Miami and what wasn't a surprise was that the white house thing would happen. The happiest guy in Texas was Irvin when he heard his favorite outlaw coach was coming to the Cowboys. The only thing than kept Jimmy's boys in Stillwater off the front page were Barry's boys in Norman.

CouchCoach · Nov 8, 2018

waving monkey said:
"I say, I support it,' and that's the way we go, Parcells said Friday. "I don't view it as a gamble. It's in my best interest that he's successful. And it's in his best interest that he's successful. ...
https://newsok.com/article/2943029/nflbrparcells-says-he-supports-terrell-owens-in-dallas

I think the Owens deal was a gesture Parcells was willing to make because he knew Booger was reeling from being out of the spotlight. He would accept him but on his own terms.

And here's the best example of Booger's interference backfiring. Parcells labeled Owens "the player" for a reason, he wanted to teach him some humility and try and get him to be a team player. He watched all of his shenanigans, knew his story and realized he was a big kid in need of some tough love. He'd had other players like that. But Booger interfered and started having breakfast with Owens once a week to smooth his ruffled feathers and all he did was enable the behavior that would come once he made that 3 year 25M mistake.

Doc50 · Nov 8, 2018

DallasEast said:
Thanks for that. I have refrained from ever mentioning the DSM to prevent anyone of accusing me of practicing psychiatry. The closest I ever came to being a mental health physician were two college psychology courses, lol.

My hope is posting scientific information on the forum will prompt more members into re-evaluating Jones in a logical fashion. Commonly accepted reasons such as 'he's greedy', 'he's selfish', 'he's ignorant', 'he's stubborn', 'he's a misguided overachiever', etc. are far more off-base than on target. After all, someone exhibiting constant, unchanging, atypical behavior for thirty years cannot be quantified accurately by simple explanations.

Agreed.

Another factor in establishing a proper diagnosis is persistence of pathology over time.

We've all ranted, griped, criticised, and suffered through this dysfunction long enough now to know that this affliction is not temporary.

Unfortunately, that means the patient (team) is incurable without a complete Jonesectomy.

CT Dal Fan · Nov 8, 2018

plasticman said:
Jerry reneged on his agreement to give Jimmy full control. Parcells never lost his drive, it was over because of Jerry's interference. There was no way that Parcells approved of signing TO. That was the last straw.

I remember Parcells saying he stepped down because he was mentally exhausted after that 2006 playoff loss. He also said TO was not the reason he retired and the receiver's presence was nowhere near as much of a distraction as the media made it out to be.

And he was right, Owens did not start becoming a problem until 2008.

Hogeboom4TheWin · Nov 8, 2018

ArtClink said:
But Jerry's owner/gm/phantom head coach model is completely unique among NFL owners. Bungals sorta have it but their owner is not their phantom head coach and lets his hc hire their own staff. Jerry's peers are the other 31 billionaire owners and none of them, no matter how arrogant, have adopted the Jones model of football management. Why would they unless they want to ensure decades of mediocrity and never win championships?

Mr. Jones is indeed unique. The closest anyone comes to him in the NFL is probably Daniel Snyder. It's no coincidence that both of their teams have fared similarly on the field (if not in net asset value) over the last many years.

Bobhaze · Nov 8, 2018

yimyammer said:
I've thought the same thing many times, I think there are obvious legitimate criticisms we can loft his way but we'll never truly know what kind of coach JG would be without being under the thumb of jeri (not excusing JG as he submits to it all and is therefore complicit).

I have similar feelings regarding the chain of command, I designed and built houses for 25 years and had a project manager that was responsible for getting my designs built. I would check on the job periodically; everyone knew it was my company, my designs and that I had all the answers and would therefore ask me questions about job site issues and how they pertained to my intended design.

I would never answer their questions and instead told them they'd have to ask the PM. I would have destroyed his authority by answering their questions and cost myself time, money and aggavaton if I authorized a change my PM wasn't aware of that he in turn forced the subcontractor to fix because I gave my PM explicit instructions to build to plan unless he and I meet and write up a clear change of specifications for all to follow PRIOR to any work being done.

Chain of command is important, not because of stupid ego reasons but because when its implemented properly, things get done well, on time and each person responsible for their part of the puzzle has pride of ownership and independence.

Jeri doesnt seem to understand he's not the only ambitious person on the planet and when he sucks all the air out the building for the glorification of his own fragile ego, he misses out on leveraging other hungry ambitious folks who would also like recognition for a job well done.

Well said. JJ is the only chain in the command in Cowboys world. He disrespects the HC he hired to coach this team so often, we forget how undermining the owner is.

MCMetal69 · Nov 8, 2018

I heard he sent out feelers to see if Gumby was interested , but the guy who does the clay animation didn't want to be embarrassed...........

Diehardblues · Nov 9, 2018

Bobhaze said:
Well said. JJ is the only chain in the command in Cowboys world. He disrespects the HC he hired to coach this team so often, we forget how undermining the owner is.

Correct but for many fans their hope resides in a new HC?

And why my hope resides in talent. Which is much more likely to overcome our dysfunctional organization than a HC who will be undermined.

plasticman · Nov 9, 2018

waving monkey said:
"I say, I support it,' and that's the way we go, Parcells said Friday. "I don't view it as a gamble. It's in my best interest that he's successful. And it's in his best interest that he's successful. ...
https://newsok.com/article/2943029/nflbrparcells-says-he-supports-terrell-owens-in-dallas

Anyone who knee Parcell's and his style knew he didn't want TO there, he was obligated to oublicly support it for the purpsose of unity. He wouldn't even call TO by name, only referring to his jersey number. Parcell's was being a "team player". Many folks also do not know that there was a clause in the HC's contract that they would recieve X amount of dollars on the condition that they not criticize Jones's handling of the team during their tenure. This situation why Jimmy didn't go ballistic on Jones when he left

lothos05 · Nov 9, 2018

CouchCoach said:
No, I just recall him being here and then released and he ended up with another team and talked about how weird the set up was with the Cowboys. I cannot recall his name but I know he was a DB.

Are you thinking of Will Allen?

http://www.espn.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/10004753/will-allen-micromanagement-hinders-dallas-cowboys

waving monkey · Nov 9, 2018

plasticman said:
Many folks also do not know that there was a clause in the HC's contract that they would recieve X amount of dollars on the condition that they not criticize Jones's handling of the team during their tenure. This situation why Jimmy didn't go ballistic on Jones when he left

is this fact / link?

yimyammer · Nov 9, 2018

plasticman said:
Anyone who knee Parcell's and his style knew he didn't want TO there, he was obligated to oublicly support it for the purpsose of unity. He wouldn't even call TO by name, only referring to his jersey number. Parcell's was being a "team player". Many folks also do not know that there was a clause in the HC's contract that they would recieve X amount of dollars on the condition that they not criticize Jones's handling of the team during their tenure. This situation why Jimmy didn't go ballistic on Jones when he left

I never heard this one, but wouldn't put it past jeri. Would you be kind enough to post a link to a source for this (not doubting you, just want to collect as much source material as I can for stuff like this)

I know jeri wrote into the contract with Parcells how "credit" would be dispersed should they win a Super Bowl, per Parcells book:

this guy.....what a pathetic creature

IceBowler · Nov 9, 2018

Heck, I'll stand up there and tell y'all how good a football man Mr. Jones is ...

... for half of Garrett's salary.

Jerry is intimidated by this

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