Should a RB, including Zeke on Sunday, be called for lowering their head to initiate contact?

RD21 · Dec 14, 2018

Seven said:
That's called protecting yourself.

Should he just take a shot to the ribs?

That call goes right up there with Dallas' long snapper call.

EVERY center in the league adjusts the ball.

I agree.

The most simplistic way I've heard hitting in football described is, "Be the hammer, not the nail". Zeke gets this. He most definitely wants to be the hammer, not the nail.

superonyx · Dec 14, 2018

MarcusRock said:
You see this is why you should allow the veins popping out of your forehead to settle before you comment. Fan bois are people who follow me around from thread to thread trying to get even for a time in the past where I probably made them look stupid (no better timing for explaining this term, lol). So it's not complimentary.

Oh i see. You have a very high opinion of yourself dont you?
I know you cant be wrong because you never have been but maybe some of these people are not actually following you around. Maybe its you following them around since you seem to like showing up on every thread about officiating.

Do you really think people are chasing you around like this?

Seriously?

You enjoy this it seems?

HoosierCowboy · Dec 14, 2018

How can you not lead with your head? It's in the front of the body when you are lunging forward. I guess RBs will need to learn to lead with their butt.

ESisback · Dec 14, 2018

HoosierCowboy said:
How can you not lead with your head? It's in the front of the body when you are lunging forward. I guess RBs will need to learn to lead with their butt.

Just got the mental picture of RBs turning quickly and sticking their buts out! Funny stuff!

ConstantReboot · Dec 14, 2018

Cattle_Rancher said:
It’s supposed to be. Why is it fair for offensive players to use their helmets but defense barely touches with helmet out comes flags. I’m sick of offense allowed to do stuff. I seen a RB initiate the head to head contact and the defensive guy got flagged total bs.

I saw that play happened. It could have also easily been given to the tackler than to Zeek. He lowered his head as well and it seems Zeke tried to defend himself lowering his body also.

Now the question should be why Zeke? Why the Cowboys? Why was that horrible call on Gregory called? Why was D Law flagged for a blow to the head while replay didn't show him doing anything? Why so many blown calls against the Cowboys while there was not one holding penalty on the Eagles?

DogFace · Dec 14, 2018

CalPolyTechnique said:
You went back and edited your post you twit and then added on the part about “oh, you’re right he didn’t lower his head.”

What’s even funnier is you forgot to remove your original claim about Kamara lowering his his head.

“Kamara also lowered his head. But you’re right. After watching again Kamara didn’t lower his head.”

You people are so sincerely daft you can’t even get out your own way.

Wow! Tough talk! Who uses the word twit? Nerds do

“Yes. That’s why we felt it was correctly ruled a no call. Kamara also lowered his head.

But you’re right. After watching again Kamara didn’t lower his head.

Are you trying to have it both ways?
Do you feel the Philly defender lowered and lead with his head?”

That’s what’s clearly what I posted. You conveniently left part out. As you do.

I admit you were right and accidentally leave out “because we felt” and I get called a name? Why I never!!

You’re such a little *****, but I like you because at least you act tough and confident over the internet. That’s a big step for a person like yourself.

Oh, and we get you learned your new adjective for the day and it’s daft.(you used it twice) Great job!! Now quit using that as well because it’s dumb and no one speaks like that.

Captain43Crash · Dec 14, 2018

BlindFaith said:
Not true. I was a RB. I never lowered my head like Zeke did here. He knew he was going down and wanted to punish someone. And got hurt in the process. I'm perfectly fine with the call.

They must have taken you out on short yardage plays.

Captain43Crash · Dec 14, 2018

CalPolyTechnique said:
Wait, so a defender doesn’t have the right to go low at a ball carrier’s legs to make a tackle?

The only problem on that play is Zeke lowering his head to make contact with the defender’s head.

Running backs lower their head when they finish runs, especially in short yardage situations. Zek did not lower his head to make contact with the defenders head. He lowered his head to protect his legs and finish the run, gain more yards. Maybe the defender lowered his head to make contact with Zek’s Head. Dumb call!

OmerV · Dec 14, 2018

Captain43Crash said:
Running backs lower their head when they finish runs, especially in short yardage situations. Zek did not lower his head to make contact with the defenders head. He lowered his head to protect his legs and finish the run, gain more yards. Maybe the defender lowered his head to make contact with Zek’s Head. Dumb call!

This is a key comment to me. If a RB lowers his helmet to initiate contact, then he should be subject to the same rule as applies to a defensive player that leads with the helmet to make a tackle. But if he is just lowering his head as he goes to the ground, or to protect himself as he is being hit by a defender, that's a different story. In other words the intent should matter, and by that, I don't mean an intent to hurt someone, but the intent to initiate the contact.

CalPolyTechnique · Dec 14, 2018

Mr_C said:
Wow! Tough talk! Who uses the word twit? Nerds do

“Yes. That’s why we felt it was correctly ruled a no call. Kamara also lowered his head.

But you’re right. After watching again Kamara didn’t lower his head.

Are you trying to have it both ways?
Do you feel the Philly defender lowered and lead with his head?”

That’s what’s clearly what I posted. You conveniently left part out. As you do.

I admit you were right and accidentally leave out “because we felt” and I get called a name? Why I never!!

You’re such a little *****, but I like you because at least you act tough and confident over the internet. That’s a big step for a person like yourself.

Oh, and we get you learned your new adjective for the day and it’s daft.(you used it twice) Great job!! Now quit using that as well because it’s dumb and no one speaks like that.

Lol, what are blathering about twit?

You claimed he (Kamara) lowered his head initially which is what I responded to.

Then...because I posted the video and provided a time stamp you went back and edited your post to say “oh, actually you’re right...he didn’t lower his head.”

DogFace · Dec 14, 2018

CalPolyTechnique said:
Lol, what are blathering about twit?

You claimed he lowered his initially which is what I responded to.

Then...

You went back and edited your post to say “oh, actually you’re right...he didn’t lower his head.”

What are you talking about? Show me please.

Why such harsh words? You’re internet scary

MarcusRock · Dec 14, 2018

superonyx said:
Oh i see. You have a very high opinion of yourself dont you?
I know you cant be wrong because you never have been but maybe some of these people are not actually following you around. Maybe its you following them around since you seem to like showing up on every thread about officiating.

Do you really think people are chasing you around like this?

Seriously?

You enjoy this it seems?

No, you're getting it twisted again. I show up in threads and they have to comment on stuff I say specifically whether they were in the thread before I was or not. And I know they do it because the points I make are valid. Otherwise, I'm not sure why they'd just not ignore me unless what I say compels them to have to answer because I weakened the case on their side. I like to debate but if people want to show up and hurl insults because they can't gainsay my points, then what else do you call them but fan bois?

In fact, one of them I ignore completely because he adds nothing to any discussion so he takes it upon himself to try to PM me with insults, not to debate whatever it is I'm talking about in whatever thread. What would you call a sad sack like that?

CalPolyTechnique · Dec 14, 2018

Mr_C said:
What are you talking about? Show me please.

Why such harsh words? You’re internet scary

It’s all documented in this thread. This isn’t some conversation from three seasons ago.

MarcusRock · Dec 14, 2018

OmerV said:
This is a key comment to me. If a RB lowers his helmet to initiate contact, then he should be subject to the same rule as applies to a defensive player that leads with the helmet to make a tackle. But if he is just lowering his head as he goes to the ground, or to protect himself as he is being hit by a defender, that's a different story. In other words the intent should matter, and by that, I don't mean an intent to hurt someone, but the intent to initiate the contact.

Here's the thing though. He wasn't being hit by the defender. He turned back towards the field of play and pointed his head back in that direction and downward to spear the guy after having his eyes on the guy the whole way. Watch the video again and look at the angle of his helmet at the moment of impact. You don't know if 24 was going to turn his head to the side, duck, wrap up or what because Zeke hit him before he could show what he was going to do. In that way, Zeke initiated contact.

OmerV · Dec 14, 2018

MarcusRock said:
Here's the thing though. He wasn't being hit by the defender. He turned back towards the field of play and pointed his head back in that direction and downward to spear the guy after having his eyes on the guy the whole way. Watch the video again and look at the angle of his helmet at the moment of impact. You don't know if 24 was going to turn his head to the side, duck, wrap up or what because Zeke hit him before he could show what he was going to do. In that way, Zeke initiated contact.

Looking at the play from this angle I see your point.

Cattle_Rancher · Dec 14, 2018

ConstantReboot said:
I saw that play happened. It could have also easily been given to the tackler than to Zeek. He lowered his head as well and it seems Zeke tried to defend himself lowering his body also.

Now the question should be why Zeke? Why the Cowboys? Why was that horrible call on Gregory called? Why was D Law flagged for a blow to the head while replay didn't show him doing anything? Why so many blown calls against the Cowboys while there was not one holding penalty on the Eagles?

I wasn’t speaking about that call directly I was speaking in general.

I don’t just happen to the Cowboys it happens to other teams

BrassCowboy · Dec 14, 2018

aikemirv said:
Well, they probably can't check for Homer blindness. It effects us all every know and then.

It is hard to diagnose!

as for the penalty, Zeke did admit to lowering his head to protect his body so yeah... but it is a bad call/penalty/rule on anyone it is called against. I don't blame him for lowering his head at all.
throw that rule out along with hit to QBs legs and a bunch of other stupid rules.

football used to be so much more enjoyable....

aikemirv · Dec 14, 2018

BrassCowboy said:
as for the penalty, Zeke did admit to lowering his head to protect his body so yeah... but it is a bad call/penalty/rule on anyone it is called against. I don't blame him for lowering his head at all.
throw that rule out along with hit to QBs legs and a bunch of other stupid rules.

football used to be so much more enjoyable....

I don't blame him. I just wish he would make a few more business decisions and take less hits, especially those he can avoid!

He took a stinger for 2 yards - not wise!

MarcusRock · Dec 14, 2018

aikemirv said:
I don't blame him. I just wish he would make a few more business decisions and take less hits, especially those he can avoid!

He took a stinger for 2 yards - not wise!

I don't blame him either. My point is the same as yours. This team lives or dies by him. Don't risk it trying to be Tarzan of the gridiron.

shabazz · Dec 14, 2018

OmerV said:
Looking at the play from this angle I see your point.

I agree. It’s just tough to watch today’s wussified NFL when one was raised watching Jack Tatum ahnialate people on Sunday’s. Although Zeke did put himself at risk turning back into the field of play, the Neanderthal in me loved watching him deliver that blow. Great to see a degree of unapologetic Testosterone by a millennial. Bravo

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