Should Sanjay Lal go?

sbark · Dec 19, 2018

CATCH17 said:
This is my question..

If the defense knows if they are in cover 2, cover 3, or whatever and Dallas uses the same cover 2 and cover 3 beaters out of the formation they come out in then how much coaching does it take for a WR to get open when the defender has a great idea of the play we are about to run?

Our problem is tendencies and our coaches answer is that the playcall doesn't matter if you execute it good enough.

I think you get by with this in highschool and college football but in the pro's being this predictable is a problem.

Dallas counter for their predictability in the pass was imposing their will on the ground or Romo breaking the pocket and making a play outside of the play.

WE can still run but it's nothing like 2014 and 2016. Dak is also refusing to use his legs so he runs the play as its designed and if he's not taking the checkdown there is a good chance he is taking the sack.

As long as dak refuses to become a running threat, the d will sit on our high school routes

If dak would command a lb as a spy vrs his threat to run, or be a downfield passing threat good enough to back safeties off....the basic routes then have at least a prayer

Problem is....dak won't run, because he know if he gets hurt, his deficiencies become even more visible in comparison if we get a look at white or c.rush

TheDuke · Dec 19, 2018

People who never coached football and wouldn’t know the first thing about teaching technique spend all day on this board criticizing and complaining about people who coach football professionally. If they spent one hour with a professional coach they would realize how far in over their heads they are after 5 minutes talking about the details of coaching and teaching.

But on cowboyszone it’s a way of life.

OmerV · Dec 19, 2018

Redball Express said:
I agree..

this guy reminds me of Rob Ryan.

All talk and no results.

Cooper is dramatically better than he was in Oakland, Gallup is developing nicely as a 3rd round rookie, Beasley was on pace to match his career best season before Cooper was acquired, and recently we have seen TE's in their first NFL season making a significant contribution. Seems like reasonable results, doesn't it?

glimmerman · Dec 19, 2018

EPL0c0 said:
Through out the season, we've seen A LOT of plays where WRs/TEs/RBs are getting open but the ball doesn't get to them for some reason or another

QB has had a hard time reading this stuff.

T-RO · Dec 19, 2018

da_boyz_mk said:
People who never coached football and wouldn’t know the first thing about teaching technique spend all day on this board criticizing and complaining about people who coach football professionally. If they spent one hour with a professional coach they would realize how far in over their heads they are after 5 minutes talking about the details of coaching and teaching.

But on cowboyszone it’s a way of life.

Post of the week.

The level of ignorance is only surpassed by the amplitude of presumption. We have little 14-year old Prince Joffrey's talking about what should be done in battle.

CF74 · Dec 19, 2018

Our scheme is garbage but who knows, this guy might suck at improvisation techniques....

charron · Dec 19, 2018

SoupcanSam said:
Imo the Cowboys should dump this clown. Aside from alot of chatter and hype in TC, our WR's have not benefitted from him, Beasley has gotten worse, and Cooper basically brought along his suitcase full of "do it yourself" route running skills along from Oakland.

He should be added to the list along with Garrett, linehan, and Kellen Moore of who needs to go.

Well the guys get open but they can't throw themselves the ball. Dak doesn't have time to wait for them to get 3 yards of seperation and even when they do the window closes before the ball is released. Case in point beasley vs colts lb, he sat right in the middle of their zone, waited, waited and the lb broke on the pass before it left daks hand and was defensed. Or the under throw to a full back going the other way, Olewale wasn't good enough to overcome a bad throw.

Sanjay should leave, go somewhere with a real QB.

TwentyOne · Dec 19, 2018

SoupcanSam said:
Imo the Cowboys should dump this clown. Aside from alot of chatter and hype in TC, our WR's have not benefitted from him, Beasley has gotten worse, and Cooper basically brought along his suitcase full of "do it yourself" route running skills along from Oakland.

He should be added to the list along with Garrett, linehan, and Kellen Moore of who needs to go.

I would get a new OC first and give this guy another year. Players were pleased with him over the course of TC.

waving monkey · Dec 19, 2018

SoupcanSam said:
Imo the Cowboys should dump this clown. Aside from alot of chatter and hype in TC, our WR's have not benefitted from him, Beasley has gotten worse, and Cooper basically brought along his suitcase full of "do it yourself" route running skills along from Oakland.

He should be added to the list along with Garrett, linehan, and Kellen Moore of who needs to go.

I thought Lal was well regarded

cern · Dec 19, 2018

Some seem to think football is far more complicated than it really is. Put the ball in the hands of your playmakers and create mismatches. Scheme to your players skill set.

PAPPYDOG · Dec 19, 2018

SoupcanSam said:
Imo the Cowboys should dump this clown. Aside from alot of chatter and hype in TC, our WR's have not benefitted from him, Beasley has gotten worse, and Cooper basically brought along his suitcase full of "do it yourself" route running skills along from Oakland.

He should be added to the list along with Garrett, linehan, and Kellen Moore of who needs to go.

The Dak-Extinction list keeps on growing....and growing...and growing.....and growing...before you know if some here will be asking for Cooper WR head on a platter.....dang...

Zman5 · Dec 19, 2018

CATCH17 said:
This is my question..

If the defense knows if they are in cover 2, cover 3, or whatever and Dallas uses the same cover 2 and cover 3 beaters out of the formation they come out in then how much coaching does it take for a WR to get open when the defender has a great idea of the play we are about to run?

Our problem is tendencies and our coaches answer is that the playcall doesn't matter if you execute it good enough.

I think you get by with this in highschool and college football but in the pro's being this predictable is a problem.

Dallas counter for their predictability in the pass was imposing their will on the ground or Romo breaking the pocket and making a play outside of the play.

WE can still run but it's nothing like 2014 and 2016. Dak is also refusing to use his legs so he runs the play as its designed and if he's not taking the checkdown there is a good chance he is taking the sack.

The system we run, the OL has to be great in order to be successful. This system goes as how well our OL plays. This isn't a Dak thing. This is a Air Coryell thing. Here is a little write up on it.

"Given that the QB is targeting downfield receivers and the running game uses a power scheme against a numbers advantage, it's important that the offensive line is among the best in the league. The WCO can operate with smaller players and mask their deficiencies with movement and speed. The Coryell offense cannot and requires significant investment in the OL in order to produce consistent results.

The early 1990s Washington offenses of Joe Gibbs are emblematic of a team whose success came from their dominance in the trenches. The Washington OL was consequently nicknamed "The Hogs" after the team rode their success to three Super Bowls."

"The main flaw in the Coryell system is that it requires everything to go right in order to succeed. If one element of the system fails, it can drag the whole team down. If your QB cannot master the delicate art of timing throws rather than player-based throws, then you're going to have added accuracy issues in a system that already causes a low completion percentage. If you don't have a dominant set of blockers up front, then your star QB could get mauled and your advantage in the running game is obsolete. If you're simply having an off-day against an excellent defense, then you better hope your own defense can hold up because Coryell offenses have been known to totally vanish for long periods of time.

Additionally, this is a system that causes additional stress for the other units on the team. It's quite likely for a QB to miss three consecutive passes in this offense, and if that happens, then you're likely about to punt. If this keeps happening, then your own defense is going to get severely worn down from being on the field so long. For all its benefits in chunk yardage and big plays, a bad game for a Coryell offense can from troublesome to downright putrid in less than a quarter of play."

https://www.bigblueview.com/2016/7/...l-offense-don-chargers-fouts-turner-tomlinson

Kaiser · Dec 19, 2018

da_boyz_mk said:
People who never coached football and wouldn’t know the first thing about teaching technique spend all day on this board criticizing and complaining about people who coach football professionally. If they spent one hour with a professional coach they would realize how far in over their heads they are after 5 minutes talking about the details of coaching and teaching.

On top of that, those pro coaches spend 18 - 20 hours a day working on it. I'm not even awake 18 - 20 hours a day.

Hawkeye0202 · Dec 19, 2018

percyhoward said:
We have a pretty good idea of what Cooper thinks of the play calling and offensive scheme. Has he said anything publicly at all about Lal?

Funny you say this ......his comments from Cooper first week in Dallas ( pretty sure this hasn't help )

“He’s someone who can really be developed into a high caliber player. He’s very polished on some routes, and not as polished on other routes. There are some routes where I wished we could go back to April, but then there are others were he’s really good I’m like ‘okay, this is really dialed in’ he’s really good at this route.”

WhizKid · Dec 19, 2018

SoupcanSam said:
Imo the Cowboys should dump this clown. Aside from alot of chatter and hype in TC, our WR's have not benefitted from him, Beasley has gotten worse, and Cooper basically brought along his suitcase full of "do it yourself" route running skills along from Oakland.

He should be added to the list along with Garrett, linehan, and Kellen Moore of who needs to go.

Lal has been good. The rookie looks really good. Amari bringing his skillset to the Cowboys is not a knock on Lal, and the route improvisation is a testament to the person scheming and calling plays. Noah Brown has looked decent when called upon. Bease has been trending down since last year, largely because of his poor attitude when he is not getting the ball. Dude is a headcase without the attention to it.

Toruk_Makto · Dec 19, 2018

Future said:
What?

At times they scheme guys open. Those are anomalies, but players haven't executed.

They also depend on a scheme in which they just ask guys to play better.

I'm not sure what your confusion is.

The QB sucks. Players are open.

How many times can you watch Dak take a 3rd down sack to remove the team from field goal range and still instantly blame the OC. It's amazing the amount of leeway Dak generates.

The good news is....when he signs a fat contract and is still this bad....the tide will turn. The bad news is....he'll have a fat contract.

SoupcanSam · Dec 19, 2018

For alot of you guys questioning me about the WR's progress, listen up. Alot of wideouts can run around an get open here and there even with crappy position coaching.

Our WR's do.....but not consistently enough. Part of that is because Sanjay teaches absolutely zero technique with the route running.

Since cooper has got her Gallup has actually had better route running from watching Coop do it, and you can see it, such as setting up the CB and faking the CB out with head movement.

Even Gallup admitted he learned that from Cooper.

Did lal teach him that? Hell no.

Our WR's run so predictable and arnt consistant. Lal is crap and needs to go. Simple as that.

ConstantReboot · Dec 19, 2018

CATCH17 said:
What is he supposed to do?

Our scheme just tells our players to execute better.

Amari Cooper can run the best routes in the world but at some point when do we shift blame to opposing defenders knowing our play based on their coverage.

On the game winning play against Philadelphia Cooper faked running by the defender and the defender didn't even bite on it. He set exactly where the film told him Cooper would go and that was the slant and sure enough he jumped the route and tipped it in the air and luckily Cooper snagged it and scored.

Dallas has an offensive tendency problem. Blaming the position coaches needs to stop.

I don't think the problem is with our assistant coaches. The problem is the scheme. If all the receivers are made to do is run curl routes all day along what is there to do?

The problem is the head coach. Garrett is to stubborn to make any impactful changes to the offense in order to improve things.

jrumann59 · Dec 19, 2018

Lal should have never been brought in he has had a middling career at best as a WR coach.

Falco78 · Dec 19, 2018

lukin2006 said:
The only coaches I retain are Columbo and Richard.

Sums up my thoughts too

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