BTB: TE Schultz is starting to show his potential

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I have felt all along that the TE's could do a solid job if given the chance, and it seems now they are finally being incorporated into the game plan. I don't think any will be standout players, but I think individually and collectively they can make TE at least a solid, contributing position.

I didn't have those same expectations, but thankfully it's looking like you were right. I'm liking what I'm seeing out of Schultz recently but I'd like to see more consistency from Jarwin as I still see too many highs and lows with him.

But overall, I'm pleasantly surprised with the production from the two.
 

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Like I have been saying, Schultz will eventually become the main TE. I watched most of his college games and he does the things this team asks of a TE. He needs time to adjust and will never be a dynamic player but can be a solid contributor.

If you want Gronk, then he is not your guy.
 

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It’s huge step from college to pros
Some fans just don’t get that some players have to develope

Agreed. It's actually partially why I like the idea of the AAF that is coming up soon because that will be a good way to get the younger players developed a bit more quickly. Alternatively though, in English and European football, players can be sent on loan to other clubs around the world. For example, I'm an AFC Bournemouth supporter, but I'll use a more well-known EPL club. Let's say a young English player is signed by Chelsea at the age of 18 out of the academy (in Europe, the football players go through a football academy, as opposed to regular school, to develop as well as the loan programme I'm talking about). Chelsea can opt to loan out the player to a team such as MK Dons. The player would then play on that squad for however long Chelsea wants, and they can recall the player when they feel he's developed enough to play on their squad. Additionally, MK Dons can request to transfer the player to them if they wish for an agreed fee that is paid to Chelsea. However, usually the loaned player returns to his original squad.

The reason I say all this is that there are a lot of global American football leagues that I've noticed. Perhaps the NFL, instead of using the practice squad system (I took some flack for this on the old forum, but I still argue for it) which doesn't give the players the needed development, can use a loan system and loan the players to other leagues. I know the other leagues aren't exactly on par with the NFL, but then, neither are clubs like MK Dons compared to the EPL as they play in the lowest division of the FA. That way, the young player is developing by playing with a proper professional club, while Chelsea is competing for its title. I could see an arrangement being made with leagues like the German Football League or the Japanese X League if the NFL wanted to arrange that. It would be worth a go, and I've long thought that the practice squad is quite useless compared to actual in game experience.
 

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Like I have been saying, Schultz will eventually become the main TE. I watched most of his college games and he does the things this team asks of a TE. He needs time to adjust and will never be a dynamic player but can be a solid contributor.

If you want Gronk, then he is not your guy.

Scultz is a big boy with decent speed and good hands. Wish we had Witten showing him the ropes.
 

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Agreed. It's actually partially why I like the idea of the AAF that is coming up soon because that will be a good way to get the younger players developed a bit more quickly. Alternatively though, in English and European football, players can be sent on loan to other clubs around the world. For example, I'm an AFC Bournemouth supporter, but I'll use a more well-known EPL club. Let's say a young English player is signed by Chelsea at the age of 18 out of the academy (in Europe, the football players go through a football academy, as opposed to regular school, to develop as well as the loan programme I'm talking about). Chelsea can opt to loan out the player to a team such as MK Dons. The player would then play on that squad for however long Chelsea wants, and they can recall the player when they feel he's developed enough to play on their squad. Additionally, MK Dons can request to transfer the player to them if they wish for an agreed fee that is paid to Chelsea. However, usually the loaned player returns to his original squad.

The reason I say all this is that there are a lot of global American football leagues that I've noticed. Perhaps the NFL, instead of using the practice squad system (I took some flack for this on the old forum, but I still argue for it) which doesn't give the players the needed development, can use a loan system and loan the players to other leagues. I know the other leagues aren't exactly on par with the NFL, but then, neither are clubs like MK Dons compared to the EPL as they play in the lowest division of the FA. That way, the young player is developing by playing with a proper professional club, while Chelsea is competing for its title. I could see an arrangement being made with leagues like the German Football League or the Japanese X League if the NFL wanted to arrange that. It would be worth a go, and I've long thought that the practice squad is quite useless compared to actual in game experience.
Some kind of a minor league system would be great
Only the undrafted guys would risk it but gives them a chance to develope
The problem though would be level of competition would be below college so not sure how you work that out
 

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I'd have to watch his tape to see if he's blocking any better. That was his calling card coming out of Stanford and early on this season, he was getting killed at it.

He'll catch a few checkdowns just by default, Dak throws it underneath a ton so any TE out there running 4 yard routes is going to get a couple catches. The blocking is where you'd really see growth or improvement.
 

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Some kind of a minor league system would be great
Only the undrafted guys would risk it but gives them a chance to develope
The problem though would be level of competition would be below college so not sure how you work that out

Well, that's sort of why I like the European football/soccer idea of loaning. Plus, the NFL could go for it as the NFL wouldn't have to worry about staffing the squads as they are separate leagues.
 

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Also Rico is playing without mistakes now, which I'll take at this point. They expected to have one OK starter and two backups at the position out of the four guys we have, what they got was one backup and three practice squad types.

That is changing at this point, Swaim, Jarwin and Schultz all look like OK backups right now. If you add a starting caliber TE next year and let these four guys compete for the two backup spots in 2019 you will be OK. Not great, but OK.

If Rico knows his assignments, blocks, and can run basic routes, he can be our blocking TE. Jarwin and Schultz need a season or two to really bulk to be effective blockers for the run game. They both made more progress on that front during the season than I expected.

We really should have one very good TE, and not just ok guys, given how much we rely on TEs. Swaim was on the field for 90%+ of the snaps in the games he played. We shouldn't be giving that many snaps to a JAG, or a collection of JAGs.
 

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I just see a dime a dozen guy.

Jarwin has looked the best imo but none of them are players the defense should worry about.

I agree. Jarwin has real potential but he plays a bit timid.

When he decides to man up 100, I see a lot of Celek traits in his game.
 

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I hated the pick more than most people, but what....?

A 22 year old rookie who has played 223 snaps has hit his ceiling?

And he's actually an above average athlete outside of arm strength https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/dalton-schultz
He's poor in the 20-yard shuttle and vertical jump, the two best measurements of being an explosive athlete lol. Not to mention the fact that he's weak (bench) and small, so I don't even know what you're talking about. At best, he's an "ok" athlete.

And yes, he is at his ceiling. All he can do is improve as a blocker and get more looks. He's never going to be a guy who can go up and get the football or consistently get any separation, so there's nothing else to his game besides what he is now.
 

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You're talking directly out of your rectal cavity.
What type of player do you think he's going to be? Gronk? Travis Kelce? No. His ceiling is, like, Anthony Fasano lol.

He's fine as a depth TE, but he has no upside. He is what he is. Not a guy that defenses will ever worry about and not a guy who will ever change the complexion of any offense that he's on.
 

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He's poor in the 20-yard shuttle and vertical jump, the two best measurements of being an explosive athlete lol. Not to mention the fact that he's weak (bench) and small, so I don't even know what you're talking about. At best, he's an "ok" athlete.

And yes, he is at his ceiling. All he can do is improve as a blocker and get more looks. He's never going to be a guy who can go up and get the football or consistently get any separation, so there's nothing else to his game besides what he is now.
Shultz bench press is the only numbers worth mentioning that he should seriously improve, imo, cause he needs to be a strong blocker to play for DAL, but everything else is better than fellow Stanford alum Zach Ertz.

Patience, the guy is just now getting reps, and that doesn't mean he's not good. Just like Connor Williams, Shultz needs experience n strength...not an overnight fix.
 

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TE, Dalton Schultz, has some special skills to him -- that seems pretty obvious by now. I think he'll be improving throughout the rest of this year and he'll most likely be working hard to gain strength throughout the offseason if he's as smart as I think he is (Stanford student).

Another thing that I've noticed is that he's persistent about getting all the yardage he can possibly muster from his receptions. Much like that aspect of his talents did for me, that feature should serve to win him some significant favor from the fans.
 
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The sentence below from the article is probably the best summary of what Schultz can become. As he gets stronger, he has the potential to become one of the better blocking TE's and should be a reliable at catching underneath routes. But I don't think he'll ever be the dynamic down the field threat.

If this development continues, Schultz could blossom into a legitimate do-it-all tight end who can block in the running game and make catches to move the chains.
 

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Shultz bench press is the only numbers worth mentioning that he should seriously improve, imo, cause he needs to be a strong blocker to play for DAL, but everything else is better than fellow Stanford alum Zach Ertz.

Patience, the guy is just now getting reps, and that doesn't mean he's not good. Just like Connor Williams, Shultz needs experience n strength...not an overnight fix.
His combine numbers were effectively the same as Ertz, if I'm remembering right, but Ertz has shown a much better ability to use that than Schultz has. Part of it is probably scheme.


But I don't think Ertz isn't a game changer anyways. They could take him out of that offense tomorrow and be exactly the same.
 

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His combine numbers were effectively the same as Ertz, if I'm remembering right, but Ertz has shown a much better ability to use that than Schultz has. Part of it is probably scheme.


But I don't think Ertz isn't a game changer anyways. They could take him out of that offense tomorrow and be exactly the same.
Slightly better numbers. You mentioned Shultz was near his ceiling, and so that's where my take is coming from involving Ertz. Who do you think are game changing TEs then?
 

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I didn't have those same expectations, but thankfully it's looking like you were right. I'm liking what I'm seeing out of Schultz recently but I'd like to see more consistency from Jarwin as I still see too many highs and lows with him.

But overall, I'm pleasantly surprised with the production from the two.

You are right that consistency is going to be the key with Jarwin, but my guess is with more consistent use some of those highs and lows will smooth out. He's got some talent though - pretty athletic for a big man.
 

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You are right that consistency is going to be the key with Jarwin, but my guess is with more consistent use some of those highs and lows will smooth out. He's got some talent though - pretty athletic for a big man.

He is. I've liked the "highs" he's shown quite a bit. I can see where the Cowboys encouraging words about him came from. Just need to see more of them more often.
 
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