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Saying I'm going to cut Jackson and/or Jelks without seeing them in preseason is a complete strawman. It not complicated.

Nobody ever said "preseason" straw man. Go back and reread before you start accusing people of things they never said. Practice what you preach.

My secret plan is to have the current roster go to camp and compete for spots. Which I'm 4000% certain is the team's plan also.

And nobody suggested otherwise. But carry on with your obvious tantrum. Sorry you're having such a bad day.
 

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Where did I or anyone else say "it must happen today"?

You said it had to happen before the start of the season, not today:

And again, you either cut Crawford, or you cut one of the other guys without getting a look at them in actual NFL games, because you can't keep Covington, Hyder, Joe Jackson, or Jelks without cutting any of the guys who are already here. Something's gotta give.
 

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My day is just fine. It helps to not hold grudges against NFL players because they are overpaid, but that's just me. YMMV.

It's an honest, critical assessment, it's not a grudge. And I'm glad to see that you can admit the player is in fact overpaid.

Unlike some people, I have the capacity to be both a fan and to be critical of what I feel are mistakes. Some people don't. You decide who you want to be.
 

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I keep seeing rumors or Tyron Crawford being a June 1st release to free up more money ahead of Dak signing. Do know if the Cowboys will just rumors I keep seeing on the matter
He is getting suspended for atleast 4 games suposedly for the NFL misconduct policy.

If he doesnt how is that fair, if you are accused but not found guilty (Zeke). And then there is clear video and get something shorter or slap on the rist?
 

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A second round pick is feasible.

A team like the Cards would jump at a deal like that. They need to protect there show pony. They cant mess this up again.
You could even shoot higher and maybe get Peterson
 

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You guys want a 1st or 2nd, I'd have been shocked if we got offered a 3rd
 

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You guys want a 1st or 2nd, I'd have been shocked if we got offered a 3rd
I would take a 3rd and the salary cap relief, if we're talking Crawford. I'd take a 2nd for Collins.
 

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He is getting suspended for atleast 4 games suposedly for the NFL misconduct policy.

If he doesnt how is that fair, if you are accused but not found guilty (Zeke). And then there is clear video and get something shorter or slap on the rist?

I am not even taking that into consideration, strictly business just as all other teams are doing or about to do. Dallas takes a 10 mill cap hit this year with him on the team and the following year the cap hit is 9 million. Cowboys are on the hook for 5.3 mill if they release him but it also frees up 15 million. Given top players Dak, Cooper and Zeke Cowboys will likely look to free up money. Having said that this is a rumor I have been reading. Dallas may choose to stay with him and if so I'm happy for him, I don't dislike him but he is the more likely of our players who could end up getting released based on the cap ramifications. This has nothing to do with the incident he had this off season
 

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I would take a 3rd and the salary cap relief, if we're talking Crawford. I'd take a 2nd for Collins.

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Is Darron Lee injured?i would definitely take a look there.
 

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Where is he your "starter"? What position does he start for you?



I never called him a scrub.



Same here. Youth and upside and $15 million of cap savings. Win-win.
You are too hung up on this "starter" label. I guarantee fans care way more about that label than the team does. He starts where he's needed. Where and when someone plays is more important. Getting hung up on the term starter is like saying our SLB is a bigger deal than our nickel CB, just because one starts in base D and one doesn't - when the nickel DB plays twice as many snaps.

All that said, if everybody is healthy on this roster he's probably the "starting" DE opposite Tank, sliding down to DT on passing situations for Quinn. But the entire DL is rarely healthy so it's probably a moot point. You've repeated ad infinitum your disdain for the dude's salary cap hit this season (to the point of incorrectly calling it his salary on some threads) on any thread that DL play is discussed. We get it. Some of us disagree. I've repeated that his salary, while maybe a bit higher than I'd prefer, is hardly an albatross or mismanagement of funds. The dude is a player. For an avg. of $6 million/year he's about at that level. He may not be worth the $10 mil cap hit this season but it's not some injustice.
 

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All that said, if everybody is healthy on this roster he's probably the "starting" DE opposite Tank, sliding down to DT on passing situations for Quinn. But the entire DL is rarely healthy so it's probably a moot point.

Ooooh, that's gonna set him off!

I think Quinn is the starter but where Crawford gets the most reps is an interesting question. You can see a scenario where everyone plays well and Crawford is cut/traded, but the most likely scenario IMO is that he gets the most snaps at LDE behind DLaw with some at RDE and 3T. The big factors are the development of Taco, Armstrong and Hill. The draft picks could surprise also, they both come from major programs. There is also that Randy Gregory guy, who is capable of taking over RDE and not letting go.
 

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You are too hung up on this "starter" label.

As expected. Now you backtrack. Everyone does.

I guarantee fans care way more about that label than the team does. He starts where he's needed. Where and when someone plays is more important. Getting hung up on the term starter is like saying our SLB is a bigger deal than our nickel CB, just because one starts in base D and one doesn't - when the nickel DB plays twice as many snaps.

It isn't at all. It's calling an overpaid non-starter for exactly who and what he is. An overpaid non-starter. Now you want to change conditions to meet your own lowered expectations.

All that said, if everybody is healthy on this roster he's probably the "starting" DE opposite Tank, sliding down to DT on passing situations for Quinn.

Sounds like a role player, not a starter. Starters play their roles and play them well. Role players get bounced around or find "somewhere to fit in".

But the entire DL is rarely healthy so it's probably a moot point.

If and when someone gets hurt, it will be your "moot point", until then, and when talking about potential roster cuts, it is very much a valid one.

You've repeated ad infinitum your disdain for the dude's salary cap hit this season (to the point of incorrectly calling it his salary on some threads) on any thread that DL play is discussed.

More 'fun with semantics'. Hiding in the grey areas rather than simply admitting what is true. Overpaid is overpaid.

We get it. Some of us disagree. I've repeated that his salary, while maybe a bit higher than I'd prefer, is hardly an albatross or mismanagement of funds. The dude is a player. For an avg. of $6 million/year he's about at that level. He may not be worth the $10 mil cap hit this season but it's not some injustice.

Overpaying is the definition of a "mismanagement of funds", especially when it's overpaying a guy without a true starting role.
 

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Ooooh, that's gonna set him off!

Yet another attempted defender backtracking or trying to change conditions to fit Crawford in? Not hardly. It's confirming what I already said would happen.

I think Quinn is the starter but where Crawford gets the most reps is an interesting question. You can see a scenario where everyone plays well and Crawford is cut/traded, but the most likely scenario IMO is that he gets the most snaps at LDE behind DLaw with some at RDE and 3T. The big factors are the development of Taco, Armstrong and Hill. The draft picks could surprise also, they both come from major programs. There is also that Randy Gregory guy, who is capable of taking over RDE and not letting go.

And that is exactly my point in saying that Crawford may be a candidate to be traded or cut. But somehow, when I say it, I'm "hating".
 

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Nice that we all want one of those big name free agents but sometimes reality has to set in. Until they get Dak's contract done and Amari's contract done, the chances of us actually signing a guy that will demand several million just is not going to happen. Would any of those guys be of help, yes, most likely if they fit the scheme Moore or Marinelli want and need.

I know it is not popular and know some want to go a different way than signing our own but the reality is the FO does not and will not until at least those two contracts are done and would not be surprised to see them extend Zeke and Jones before even considering a trade. We do have guys that will most likely be traded in training camp although I seriously doubt it would be for another player, probably picks that would be higher than they would get any other time since if someone wants them in training camp then they probably really need them.
 
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