NFL and NFLPA joint agreement on pain management, potentially including marijuana

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plenty of studies show it to be less harmful in many ways than legal substances. it's really just not that big of a deal.

No, that's not accurate Clarkson. In fact, recent studies suggest that it is clearly much more harmful then suspected. It's not regulated so the effects can vary. In the case of alchole, for example, it's a highly regulated substance so you know exactly how much content is contained in any product sold in any store in this country. You don't have that with weed and you don't know what has been added. Heck, the term, Legal Substance" is not accurate. A beer is legal unless you have more then one in an hours time. Then, it's illegal so the story line is skewed.
 

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No, that's not accurate Clarkson. In fact, recent studies suggest that it is clearly much more harmful then suspected. It's not regulated so the effects can vary. In the case of alchole, for example, it's a highly regulated substance so you know exactly how much content is contained in any product sold in any store in this country. You don't have that with weed and you don't know what has been added. Heck, the term, Legal Substance" is not accurate. A beer is legal unless you have more then one in an hours time. Then, it's illegal so the story line is skewed.
It will be regulated as to the potency after sending people to the ER in CO. Alcohol wasn't regulated in it's initial stages either.
 

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No, that's not accurate Clarkson. In fact, recent studies suggest that it is clearly much more harmful then suspected. It's not regulated so the effects can vary. In the case of alchole, for example, it's a highly regulated substance so you know exactly how much content is contained in any product sold in any store in this country. You don't have that with weed and you don't know what has been added. Heck, the term, Legal Substance" is not accurate. A beer is legal unless you have more then one in an hours time. Then, it's illegal so the story line is skewed.

it's illegal to have more than 1 beer in an hour? uhhh, citation, please?
are you missing the irony of your post, tho? legalizing and regulating it would lead to knowing *exactly* what's in the product and how strong it is.
alcohol is more dangerous for a multitude of reasons. this is dinosaur thought you're spewing.
please cite the recent studies you speak of, as well.
 

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Gateway to?

other drugs?
i don't think either are "gateway" drugs. tons of people do one, the other, or both and never do any other drugs. if you're going to start using meth, it isn't because weed led you there.
opiates are HUGE gateways to things like heroin, tho. heroin is the same feeling but way cheaper and way easier to get. keeping people off opiates should be a way bigger focus. i wonder why it isn't...huge mystery.
 

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Ya know, the level of support legalization gets is proportionate with one's involvement and experiences, some terrible, with family and friends. I see overeating and obesity as a bigger problem, pun intended, and killing more people than alcohol or drugs combined but I support their right to do that.

Just as I think it should be legal to do what you want with any drugs as long as no one is harmed along the way and from what we've seen legalization has little to do with why people do or don't do something of this nature. The largest segment of the population getting legal pot has little to do with the illegality of it, that 65+ group of people.

The medicinal qualities of pot as opposed to expensive pharma's and the better ability to help with pain because with any pharma, the person plateaus and it's too early to tell about that with pot. These medicinal traits endorsed by too many medical professionals including a reversal by Dr. Oz has really grabbed the attention of those facing pain on a daily basis.

But that's not why I want it legalized. I want it regulated and taxed and adults to decide themselves what they want to do. Want to do heroin? Have at it, get it at the dispensary when it is taxed and cheaper than from your dealer. Just like prohibition, all these laws have done is create criminals.

I've spent too much time around law enforcement in several different cities to know this is a war that cannot be won and most of the ones I know only fight it because it is illegal. It is insane to keep doing what this country is doing and expect to win. They don't even have the majority of Americans on their side about pot.
 

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other drugs?
i don't think either are "gateway" drugs. tons of people do one, the other, or both and never do any other drugs. if you're going to start using meth, it isn't because weed led you there.
opiates are HUGE gateways to things like heroin, tho. heroin is the same feeling but way cheaper and way easier to get. keeping people off opiates should be a way bigger focus. i wonder why it isn't...huge mystery.
I do not think alcohol leads to drugs. I do think pot does for some people but they probably would gotten there anyway. I do not know anyone personally that hasn't tried alcohol or drugs of some kind. They either liked it or they didn't.
 

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plenty of studies show it to be less harmful in many ways than legal substances. it's really just not that big of a deal.
I’m kinda torn on this issue. Any substance that can become addictive in which how it effects a persons personality , productivity and outlook on life could be a detriment. And this is not directed at you. The thought just spurred mine.

As always in moderation and recreational uses are probably not a big concern but like with many substances including legal ones from cigarettes, alcohol and subscription pain meds they not only can be addictive but expensive to maintain for middle class citizens.

I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s when Marijuana first became mainstream along with other illegal substances which weren’t actually illegal to consume until about 1971 SC ruling. I saw illegal substances waste away and destroy many friends and loved ones while making others slackers in life not fully developing their potential.

I truly believe while there are certainly medical advantages to using in certain situations that there hadn’t been enough research in long term effects much like we hadn’t on tobacco for years.
 

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I’m kinda torn on this issue. Any substance that can become addictive in which how it effects a persons personality , productivity and outlook on life could be a detriment. And this is not directed at you.

As always in moderation and recreational uses are probably not a big concern but like with many substances including legal ones from cigarettes, alcohol and subscription pain meds they not only can be addictive but expensive to maintain for middle class citizens.

I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s when Marijuana first became mainstream along with other illegal substances which weren’t actually illegal to consume until about 1971 SC ruling. I saw illegal substances waste away and destroy many friends and loved ones while making others slackers in life not fully developing their potential.

I truly believe while there are certainly medical advantages to using in certain situations that there hadn’t been enough research in long term effects much like we hadn’t on tobacco for years.
ive seen legal substances waste away and destroy friends and family
 

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Soon, both teams will take the field running through giant smoking bongs.
And the price of tickets and concessions will skyrocket from the second hand smoke. Fans will be laying out $20 for one s'mores.

And I gotta say, watching a slomo replay of an athletic catch while under the influence of wacky tobacky is pretty special but the games are too damned long. Plus, I forget who's playing.
 

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Soon, both teams will take the field running through giant smoking bongs.
Yea and mainstream conservative America will stop pouring billions into it.

It will be delegated back to cable tv or Showtime. This is what the owners and Goodell are attempting to protect against.
 
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It will be regulated as to the potency after sending people to the ER in CO. Alcohol wasn't regulated in it's initial stages either.

Exactly. This is the path to legalization and the reasoning is money. The Government, both state and local, is not legalizing this for the purpose of satisfying the public's wishes. It's doing it to make a fast buck and they will stick their successors with the fallout of these decisions and there will be fallout over this. We haven't seen what a cradle to grave generation of legalized weed will result in, on a large scale. I think the effects are going to be eye opening. We are already seeing The initial effects of this in the Opioid and Heroin epidemic. There is a reason that the US is being flooded with these drugs. The drug business, for years, had a steady supply of weed that they could count on. Nobody really got hurt and everybody was pretty much good with the arrangement. Then, this idea of legalization came around and weed became a revenue center for a lot of people but mostly for the Government. It's on it's way to heavy regulation, which means that it's no longer a profit center for the drug dealers. The natural result is for them to simply move on to another drug that is more addictive. I mean, it's not as if they are just going to give up their operations, their distribution networks and their customer base. Anybody who thinks that is delusional.

It's one of those, be careful what you wish for, deals Coach.
 

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I’m kinda torn on this issue. Any substance that can become addictive in which how it effects a persons personality , productivity and outlook on life could be a detriment. And this is not directed at you. The thought just spurred mine.

As always in moderation and recreational uses are probably not a big concern but like with many substances including legal ones from cigarettes, alcohol and subscription pain meds they not only can be addictive but expensive to maintain for middle class citizens.

I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s when Marijuana first became mainstream along with other illegal substances which weren’t actually illegal to consume until about 1971 SC ruling. I saw illegal substances waste away and destroy many friends and loved ones while making others slackers in life not fully developing their potential.

I truly believe while there are certainly medical advantages to using in certain situations that there hadn’t been enough research in long term effects much like we hadn’t on tobacco for years.
I used to love 14th Street in downtown Denver. Now it's crawling with skateboarder types openly smoking weed everywhere. The stench of the cloud is powerful.

Don't go there anymore.
 

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I used to love 14th Street in downtown Denver. Now it's crawling with skateboarder types openly smoking weed everywhere. The stench of the cloud is powerful.

Don't go there anymore.
I smell the skunky smell all the time now when someone passes me in a store or restaurant after they’ve probably just came in from their car. It’s been years since I smoked but will never forget the smell. It’s a distinct odor. No thanks!
 

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Why do we care what anyone does as long as they're not harming someone else? Oh, there's their loved ones and children to consider? Do we think this being illegal stops that?

Morality will never be successfully legislated and I am sick of people who think they have the right to tell others how they should live. Do not let them infringe on the rights of others but do not restrict their rights as an individual.

Legality isn't a moral issue or a societal issue, it's a business issue and it's high time, oops another pun, it ran as a successful one and generates revenue instead of creating criminal empires just like the Oxycontin one.
 

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It will be regulated as to the potency after sending people to the ER in CO. Alcohol wasn't regulated in it's initial stages either.
Yea, my cardiologist said smoking anything is totally off limits. It not only raises your heart beat but blocks oxygen to the brain.

I hadn’t smoked pot in years but was a cigarette smoker for over 40 years. There has to be some lasting effects on your heart, brain and other organs inhaling pot long term.
 
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