Preseason Game 1 analysis (offense)

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First of all, for those who didn't get to watch the game, understand that the 49ers didn't play any of their starters. We did not have Martin, Witten, Cooper or Elliott, but the rest of the first team was out there for one series. (NOTE: I went back and tried to particularly watch the lines in this game, but I only got through the third quarter.)

Quarterbacks

Dak Prescott was on the mark for the most part. He threw a crossing route slightly behind Michael Gallup, which caused Gallup to slow some, but I'm not sure Gallup was going to gain any more yards even if the ball had been out in front of him. It's also possible that his pass that was batted (and that he caught) would have been intercepted. It was going to be a tight squeeze to Jarwin at the goal line because the linebacker in the middle of the field was breaking on the pass. Dak might could have slipped it in there with a fast ball, but it looked to me (and the Cowboys broadcast team) that the linebacker was going to undercut the pass. Because we don't know what the end result of that pass would have been, I'd have to say it was a solid outing for Prescott.

Several people who were posting here were down on Cooper Rush, and it's understandable because he missed on his passes over 20 yards, actually overthrowing each one (although he was hit on the pass he threw just out of reach of Jarwin over the middle). Although I'd like for us to have a better backup, one thing I like about Rush is that he reads the defense well and pretty much knows where he's going with the ball as soon as it's snap. That quick and accurate decision-making helped propel two scoring drives (which his overthrows turned into field goals instead of TDs). Both his limitations and his strengths were easy to see. He's more decisive as a QB than Prescott, but doesn't have the arm talent.

Mike White
is a disappointment. Where Rush is quick at decision-making, White is plodding. He either doesn't see blitzes or doesn't know where to go with the ball when he's blitzed. He also just misfired on several attempts, while arm talent is supposed to be his strength. A deep pass that he missed on to Devin Smith probably sums up his night. Smith blew past the corner on the go route, but White was late delivering the pass, giving Smith no chance at it.

I'm pretty sure Taryn Christion didn't play.

PREDICTION: Prescott and White make the roster.

Running backs

I was disappointed that we didn't play Tony Pollard more. He did a good job of running between the tackles, averaging 4 yards per carry on 4 carries, and made good decisions on where to go with the ball. Nothing dynamic, but solid work.

The rest of the backs were spotty. Mike Weber and Darius Jackson each had a decent run (two for Jackson), but didn't show much power or escapability otherwise. Patrick Chunn looked like a big plodder, slow and without much maneuverability. With Alfred Morris not playing, he ended up being the second-best back for the team by default.

I can't say I really noticed the fullbacks, Jamize Olawale or Ryan Yurachek, do much either good or bad.

PREDICTION: Elliott, Morris, Pollard and Olawale make the team. (Yes, I'm still counting on Elliott to return before the start of the season.) Weber goes on the practice squad.

Wide receivers

I know it was only against backups, but Michael Gallup looks ready to take his play to the next level this year. Without Amari Cooper, he was the go-to receiver on the first team's only drive, catching two passes and drawing a pass interference. He was easily open on his two catches. Randall Cobb was playing the other outside spot in Cooper's absence and didn't do anything to stand out. Tavon Austin had a short catch out of the slot.

The next-best receiver to Gallup was Cedrick Wilson working the underneath of the coverage. He did a good job working open quickly and making the catches until Mike White hung him out to dry on an overthrow. Beyond that, Jon'Vea Johnson showed he clearly has the ability to get open and was targeted a lot for it. However, two drops and an illegal touch made it an up and down performance for him. Devin Smith came on late with a couple of downfield catches when Dallas was trying to make a comeback. Jalen Guyton also added a couple of catches. It didn't seem like they were beating coverage, though, up to that point like Johnson and Wilson were.

PREDICTION: I still feel like a spot on the roster is Johnson's to lose, but a couple of more up-and-down performances like Saturday's will cause him to do just that. Cooper, Gallup, Cobb, Austin, Wilson, Johnson. Guyton goes on PS.

Tight ends

Blake Jarwin was eating up the backups to get downfield and make catches. His speed and receiving ability were readily apparent. However, so was his mediocre blocking ability. In fact, both he and Dalton Schultz blocked poorly, which is one reason the running backs struggled. Jason Witten didn't play, but he also isn't going to lose any playing time as a starter if the other tight ends continue to block that way. Witten's blocking had slipped before he retired, but I'd say without seeing him now that it can't be worse than what was on display by the tight ends.

As a receiver, Schultz actually wasn't as good as Cody McElroy, who clearly has some raw talent but is probably worse than the others when it comes to blocking, and that's saying a lot based on this game.

PREDICTION: Witten, Jarwin and Schultz make the roster. McElroy goes on the PS.

Offensive line

The first unit, with Xavier Sua'Filo filling in for Zack Martin, had very few problems with the 49ers' backup line. Prescott had plenty of time and the initial blocking for the running game was solid. I was disappointed that Connor Williams had trouble maintaining some of those blocks. On Pollard's first run, Williams went to the second level to take on a linebacker, but instead of Williams pinning the linebacker to the outside, the linebacker fought off the block and got back to the inside to stop what could have been a much bigger gain. A similar play happened when Williams had a defensive tackle pinned to the outside.

It was good to see Travis Frederick back out there. One of the things we missed last year was his understanding of the game. On one play he was helping Williams with a block by using his left arm to hold up the defensive tackle while scanning the right side to watch for anyone trying to loop back inside of the right guard and tackle. He did not commit more than he needed to to that block so that he could be free to come off it if needed. It's the subtle things that make the difference.

The backup line did much better than I initially thought (primarily based on the comments in the game thread). Adam Redmond clearly has issues with power and was driven back into the quarterback a couple of times. Alex Campos at RT, Joe Looney at C, Sua'Filo at LG and Cameron Fleming at LT were mostly solid. Of course, some of that had to do with how decisive Rush was with the ball. San Francisco was mostly only able to get any pressure on Rush with blitzes and through Redmond being overpowered. There were a couple of failures on the left side, though, on one drive involving Fleming. On one of the plays, the defensive end got Fleming going back and then looped inside Sua'Filo's block. Fleming got caught up in the wash of Sua'Filo's man's charge and both him and Sua'Filo going to the ground. On the other play, Fleming allowed the DE to get under him and drive around the corner to hit Rush, forcing him to get rid of the ball.

The run blocking by this group also was better than it looked because the tight ends were the culprits in many of the failed runs. The line would clear out one side with the tight ends blocking on the backside, and the tight ends would just get whipped.

When we changed out the tackles, we didn't fare as well up front, with Mitch Hyatt proving to be a disappointment by getting overpowered several times. Some of the problems were because of White not getting the ball out, but the tackles didn't give him much support.

PREDICTION: Tyron Smith, Williams, Frederick, Martin, La'el Collins, Fleming, Sua'Filo, Looney and maybe Connor McGovern. Hyatt could go on the practice squad to see if he can gain some strength.

So the offensive roster looks like this for the moment:

QBs (2) Prescott, Rush
RBs (4) Elliott, Pollard, Morris, Olawale
WRs (6) Cooper, Gallup, Cobb, Austin, Wilson, Johnson
TEs (3) Witten, Jarwin, Schultz
OL (9) Smith, Williams, Frederick, Martin, Collins, Fleming, Sua'Filo, Looney, McGovern

That gives me 24 on offense, with Johnson being questionable. (McGovern either makes the team or goes on IR because I can't see us cutting a third-round pick.)
 
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First of all, for those who didn't get to watch the game, understand that the 49ers didn't play any of their starters. We did not have Martin, Witten, Cooper or Elliott, but the rest of the first team was out there for one series. (NOTE: I went back and tried to particularly watch the lines in this game, but I only got through the third quarter.)

Quarterbacks

Dak Prescott was on the mark for the most part. He threw a crossing route slightly behind Michael Gallup, which caused Gallup to slow some, but I'm not sure Gallup was going to gain any more yards even if the ball had been out in front of him. It's also possible that his pass that was batted (and that he caught) would have been intercepted. It was going to be a tight squeeze to Jarwin at the goal line because the linebacker in the middle of the field was breaking on the pass. Dak might could have slipped it in there with a fast ball, but it looked to me (and the Cowboys broadcast team) that the linebacker was going to undercut the pass. Because we don't know what the end result of that pass would have been, I'd have to say it was a solid outing for Prescott.

Several people who were posting here were down on Cooper Rush, and it's understandable because he missed on his passes over 20 yards, actually overthrowing each one (although he was hit on the pass he threw just out of reach of Jarwin over the middle). Although I'd like for us to have a better backup, one thing I like about Rush is that he reads the defense well and pretty much knows where he's going with the ball as soon as it's snap. That quick and accurate decision-making helped propel two scoring drives (which his overthrows turned into field goals instead of TDs). Both his limitations and his strengths were easy to see. He's more decisive as a QB than Prescott, but doesn't have the arm talent.

Mike White
is a disappointment. Where Rush is quick at decision-making, White is plodding. He either doesn't see blitzes or doesn't know where to go with the ball when he's blitzed. He also just misfired on several attempts, while arm talent is supposed to be his strength. A deep pass that he missed on to Devin Smith probably sums up his night. Smith blew past the corner on the go route, but White was late delivering the pass, giving Smith no chance at it.

I'm pretty sure Taryn Christion didn't play.

PREDICTION: Prescott and White make the roster.

Running backs

I was disappointed that we didn't play Tony Pollard more. He did a good job of running between the tackles, averaging 4 yards per carry on 4 carries, and made good decisions on where to go with the ball. Nothing dynamic, but solid work.

The rest of the backs were spotty. Mike Weber and Darius Jackson each had a decent run (two for Jackson), but didn't show much power or escapability otherwise. Patrick Chunn looked like a big plodder, slow and without much maneuverability. With Alfred Morris not playing, he ended up being the second-best back for the team by default.

I can't say I really noticed the fullbacks, Jamize Olawale or Ryan Yurachek, do much either good or bad.

PREDICTION: Elliott, Morris, Pollard and Olawale make the team. (Yes, I'm still counting on Elliott to return before the start of the season.) Weber goes on the practice squad.

Wide receivers

I know it was only against backups, but Michael Gallup looks ready to take his play to the next level this year. Without Amari Cooper, he was the go-to receiver on the first team's only drive, catching two passes and drawing a pass interference. He was easily open on his two catches. Randall Cobb was playing the other outside spot in Cooper's absence and didn't do anything to stand out. Tavon Austin had a short catch out of the slot.

The next-best receiver to Gallup was Cedrick Wilson working the underneath of the coverage. He did a good job working open quickly and making the catches until Mike White hung him out to dry on an overthrow. Beyond that, Jon'Vea Johnson showed he clearly has the ability to get open and was targeted a lot for it. However, two drops and an illegal touch made it an up and down performance for him. Devin Smith came on late with a couple of downfield catches when Dallas was trying to make a comeback. Jalen Guyton also added a couple of catches. It didn't seem like they were beating coverage, though, up to that point like Johnson and Wilson were.

PREDICTION: I still feel like a spot on the roster is Johnson's to lose, but a couple of more up-and-down performances like Saturday's will cause him to do just that. Cooper, Gallup, Cobb, Austin, Wilson, Johnson. Guyton goes on PS.

Tight ends

Blake Jarwin was eating up the backups to get downfield and make catches. His speed and receiving ability were readily apparent. However, so was his mediocre blocking ability. In fact, both he and Dalton Schultz blocked poorly, which is one reason the running backs struggled. Jason Witten didn't play, but he also isn't going to lose any playing time as a starter if the other tight ends continue to block that way. Witten's blocking had slipped before he retired, but I'd say without seeing him now that it can't be worse than what was on display by the tight ends.

As a receiver, Schultz actually wasn't as good as Cody McElroy, who clearly has some raw talent but is probably worse than the others when it comes to blocking, and that's saying a lot based on this game.

PREDICTION: Witten, Jarwin and Schultz make the roster. McElroy goes on the PS.

Offensive line

The first unit, with Xavier Sua'Filo filling in for Zack Martin, had very few problems with the 49ers' backup line. Prescott had plenty of time and the initial blocking for the running game was solid. I was disappointed that Connor Williams had trouble maintaining some of those blocks. On Pollard's first run, Williams went to the second level to take on a linebacker, but instead of Williams pinning the linebacker to the outside, the linebacker fought off the block and got back to the inside to stop what could have been a much bigger gain. A similar play happened when Williams had a defensive tackle pinned to the outside.

It was good to see Travis Frederick back out there. One of the things we missed last year was his understanding of the game. On one play he was helping Williams with a block by using his left arm to hold up the defensive tackle while scanning the right side to watch for anyone trying to loop back inside of the right guard and tackle. He did not commit more than he needed to to that block so that he could be free to come off it if needed. It's the subtle things that make the difference.

The backup line did much better than I initially thought (primarily based on the comments in the game thread). Adam Redmond clearly has issues with power and was driven back into the quarterback a couple of times. Alex Campos at RT, Joe Looney at C, Sua'Filo at LG and Cameron Fleming at LT were mostly solid. Of course, some of that had to do with how decisive Rush was with the ball. San Francisco was mostly only able to get any pressure on Rush with blitzes and through Redmond being overpowered. There were a couple of failures on the left side, though, on one drive involving Fleming. On one of the plays, the defensive end got Fleming going back and then looped inside Sua'Filo's block. Fleming got caught up in the wash of Sua'Filo's man's charge and both him and Sua'Filo going to the ground. On the other play, Fleming allowed the DE to get under him and drive around the corner to hit Rush, forcing him to get rid of the ball.

The run blocking by this group also was better than it looked because the tight ends were the culprits in many of the failed runs. The line would clear out one side with the tight ends blocking on the backside, and the tight ends would just get whipped.

When we changed out the tackles, we didn't fare as well up front, with Mitch Hyatt proving to be a disappointment by getting overpowered several times. Some of the problems were because of White not getting the ball out, but the tackles didn't give him much support.

PREDICTION: Tyron Smith, Williams, Frederick, Martin, La'el Collins, Fleming, Sua'Filo, Looney and maybe Connor McGovern. Hyatt could go on the practice squad to see if he can gain some strength.

So the offensive roster looks like this for the moment:

QBs (2) Prescott, Rush
RBs (4) Elliott, Pollard, Morris, Olawale
WRs (6) Cooper, Gallup, Cobb, Austin, Wilson, Johnson
TEs (3) Witten, Jarwin, Schultz
OL (9) Smith, Williams, Frederick, Martin, Collins, Fleming, Sua'Filo, Looney, McGovern

That gives me 24 on offense, with Johnson being questionable. (McGovern either makes the team or goes on IR because I can't see us cutting a third-round pick.)
why Keep white? Rush isn't much but at least he can lean and make a few plays and allow those around him to make plays....you want your back up QB to just be the bus driver until your starter returns. Mike White would be a disaster. He should be on PS at best.

I Like J Johnson, but he needs to learn to focus and catch with his hands. I agree. he gets open enough to be dangerous and contribute with his speed.

Really disappointed in Mitch Hyatt....
 

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Dallas did not have 10 of the 22 starters, and 18 players were left back in Oxnard, and 3 that went to SF did not play. In Witten, Collins and Morris, then there was some guy in Cabo.

So Dallas was down on their starters as well as 2nd teams guys also.
 

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why Keep white? Rush isn't much but at least he can lean and make a few plays and allow those around him to make plays....you want your back up QB to just be the bus driver until your starter returns. Mike White would be a disaster. He should be on PS at best.

I Like J Johnson, but he needs to learn to focus and catch with his hands. I agree. he gets open enough to be dangerous and contribute with his speed.

Really disappointed in Mitch Hyatt....

I meant Rush instead of White, just typed it wrong. I don't even see White being worth the PS based on this game. It's difficult to fix quarterbacks who process what is happening too slowly.
 

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Dallas did not have 10 of the 22 starters, and 18 players were left back in Oxnard, and 3 that went to SF did not play. In Witten, Collins and Morris, then there was some guy in Cabo.

So Dallas was down on their starters as well as 2nd teams guys also.

We still had 6 of 11 offensive starters on the field (more if you count Cobb and/or Jarwin or Olawale) while I'm not sure San Fran had any. I know the announcers said the 49ers weren't playing their starters.
 

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I liked Devin Smith so much better than Johnson. Liked what I seen from Wilson, a lot. Need to see more from Guyton, as well as Johnson, to see how he responds. I want to see Devin Smith more with the 1's and 2's.

Need to see more of Weber with the better OL in. And need to see Morris, does he still have something left in the tank. I won't make a judgement on them yet. I have Weber and Jackson equal right now. I am a much bigger fan of Weber than I am of Jackson, but need to call it as I see it too.

Like Jarwin and McElroy, and Schultz is still right there too as they can improve week to week, as they shown last year.

The OL will be what it will be with back ups in, but those 6th to 9th OL are fine if mixed in with starters. But hard to judge the OL from 6th to 14th playing as an unit for stuff not game planned.

White just looked bad. But if they play him with the 1st and 2nd teams next game, and put in Rush in later. Then we may see a difference. I want to say I doubt it, but will give him that opportunity to show us otherwise.
 

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We still had 6 of 11 offensive starters on the field (more if you count Cobb and/or Jarwin or Olawale) while I'm not sure San Fran had any. I know the announcers said the 49ers weren't playing their starters.

I think they played more starters on offense, not sure. Mickey has an article that said SF played only 1 starter on defense.
 

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PREDICTION: Elliott, Morris, Pollard and Olawale make the team. (Yes, I'm still counting on Elliott to return before the start of the season.)
Gimme - couple questions. Why does anyone think EE is coming back before the start of the season? When Aug 6th passed, his only hope is that bad performances in real games lead Cowboys to up their offer.
The next-best receiver to Gallup was Cedrick Wilson
How long before people realize that Ced is probably the 4th best receiver on the team? i feel like you have Cooper, Gallup, Cobb & Wilson. Tavon is your fifth at this moment & it's a bunch of kinda \ sorta's fighting for the 6th spot.
 

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Gimme - couple questions. Why does anyone think EE is coming back before the start of the season? When Aug 6th passed, his only hope is that bad performances in real games lead Cowboys to up their offer.

How long before people realize that Ced is probably the 4th best receiver on the team? i feel like you have Cooper, Gallup, Cobb & Wilson. Tavon is your fifth at this moment & it's a bunch of kinda \ sorta's fighting for the 6th spot.

I don't think Elliott wants to miss game checks and I don't think the Joneses want him not to play. I think both sides are posturing right now and they will eventually meet in the middle, with Elliott becoming the highest-paid running back in the league with some compromises. Elliott wasn't likely to play in the preseason anyway so what he's doing now doesn't really matter that much. The negotiations will heat up after the team returns home.

Wilson might be third-best. I think Cobb has the experience-factor edge over him, but I'm not sure he's a better player at this point. The problem in determining that is Wilson missing all of his rookie year. If he hadn't, we might not have even pursued Cobb. But I'm hitting the brakes because we have only seen Wilson in one preseason game against second- and third-teammers. Also, with Austin, he might be the fifth-best, but he has specific role to play that differs from what most of the others offer. The only similar player we have to him is Pollard.

I admit that I like what Johnson brings to the table as far as speed and ability to separate, but not making sure he secures the catch first is a quick way to get cut.
 

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"Maybe Connor McGovern"? His draft status makes him a lock for the roster, despite Garrett's "doesn't matter how you got here" BS. He was a high draft pick who has been out with a minor injury. I'm not confident Sua'Filo makes the cut.
 

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I liked Devin Smith so much better than Johnson. Liked what I seen from Wilson, a lot. Need to see more from Guyton, as well as Johnson, to see how he responds. I want to see Devin Smith more with the 1's and 2's.

Need to see more of Weber with the better OL in. And need to see Morris, does he still have something left in the tank. I won't make a judgement on them yet. I have Weber and Jackson equal right now. I am a much bigger fan of Weber than I am of Jackson, but need to call it as I see it too.

Like Jarwin and McElroy, and Schultz is still right there too as they can improve week to week, as they shown last year.

The OL will be what it will be with back ups in, but those 6th to 9th OL are fine if mixed in with starters. But hard to judge the OL from 6th to 14th playing as an unit for stuff not game planned.

White just looked bad. But if they play him with the 1st and 2nd teams next game, and put in Rush in later. Then we may see a difference. I want to say I doubt it, but will give him that opportunity to show us otherwise.

Smith came on a little bit as the game wore on. For most of the time he was in there, he was not doing much. Johnson was constantly open, but he's got to make those catches. The one was a clear drop. He got hit on the second one right on the ball, but not letting it get knocked out is one way to win a spot. He also should have avoided touching the ball if he knew he went out of bounds. And securing that diving catch on the sideline would have gone a long way toward making up for his ills. Although I'm sticking with Johnson for now, I think it's a toss-up at this point between him, Smith and Guyton (primarily because of Johnson's struggles) and couldn't really blame the team if it just went with five receivers.

Morris definitely could have dropped off some since he was last with us. With Weber, though, and the other backs, I just didn't see any attribute that stood out. I didn't see them powering through tackles, shake and baking or just exploding into holes. Other than a few runs, all but Pollard looked tentative to me. I did enjoy Weber spinning out of the middle and racing around the corner on that one run, though.

When I went back and focused on the blocking, the tight ends were just bad. Even Schultz, considered more of a blocking tight end, wasn't very good.

I really didn't feel bad about the backup line. The right side didn't have much power with Redmond and Campos, but the protection wasn't too bad. Of course, again, Rush's quick decision-making helped with that. Even when San Fran was able to get to him, he either got a quick pass off to a receiver or threw it out of bounds.

White looked better last preseason as it wore on, having his best game (if I remember correctly) in the final preseason game. He was slow on the trigger then, but I chalked it up to him being a rookie and having to learn the offense. I know he hasn't had a lot of snaps since then, but he didn't seem any more clued in on reading the defense and knowing where to go with the ball than he was last year.
 

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"Maybe Connor McGovern"? His draft status makes him a lock for the roster, despite Garrett's "doesn't matter how you got here" BS. He was a high draft pick who has been out with a minor injury. I'm not confident Sua'Filo makes the cut.

I think McGovern doesn't make the team only if he goes on IR. That's the only maybe.
 

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I don't think Elliott wants to miss game checks and I don't think the Joneses want him not to play. I think both sides are posturing right now and they will eventually meet in the middle, with Elliott becoming the highest-paid running back in the league with some compromises. Elliott wasn't likely to play in the preseason anyway so what he's doing now doesn't really matter that much. The negotiations will heat up after the team returns home.

Wilson might be third-best. I think Cobb has the experience-factor edge over him, but I'm not sure he's a better player at this point. The problem in determining that is Wilson missing all of his rookie year. If he hadn't, we might not have even pursued Cobb. But I'm hitting the brakes because we have only seen Wilson in one preseason game against second- and third-teammers. Also, with Austin, he might be the fifth-best, but he has specific role to play that differs from what most of the others offer. The only similar player we have to him is Pollard.

I admit that I like what Johnson brings to the table as far as speed and ability to separate, but not making sure he secures the catch first is a quick way to get cut.

I view Elliott's strategy as being long term meaning once a deal wasn't done by Aug 6th, he's missing games. I don't think the FO folds and makes him the highest paid. So, it seems predetermined that games will be missed. It's just how long & nasty will it get. Would not surprise me if we don't see him til Week 10 (believe that is right) so that his salary doesn't toll.
 

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I view Elliott's strategy as being long term meaning once a deal wasn't done by Aug 6th, he's missing games. I don't think the FO folds and makes him the highest paid. So, it seems predetermined that games will be missed. It's just how long & nasty will it get. Would not surprise me if we don't see him til Week 10 (believe that is right) so that his salary doesn't toll.

From everything I've read, Aug. 6 didn't mean anything in these negotiations because there's two years left on Elliott's deal. The only things that can mean anything now are missing game checks or the Week 10 deadline. Because nothing has been missed to this point, I just don't think the urgency is there for either side. Eventually, I believe they will strike a deal before the season starts that both sides will say was good for them.

Maybe it will go the way you are saying, and I'm just being optimistic. The Joneses have been pretty good about paying their own when they believe the value is there. We can look at the DeMarcus Lawrence deal to see that. They got that deal done when it had to be struck and both sides postured before then.
 

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Rush's quick decision-making helped with that. Even when San Fran was able to get to him, he either got a quick pass off to a receiver or threw it out of bounds.

This can't be overstated. Correct, decisive reads by the QB helps the line. Dak does seem to be improving somewhat in this area. Any line that has to block for an eternity on each play is going to get exposed. Also frustrates defenses.

I would like to see both backup QB's get at least a series with the 1's in the next game. Take away some of the variables and get a better understanding of what each can do. Probably not going to happen but it sure would be nice.
 

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From everything I've read, Aug. 6 didn't mean anything in these negotiations because there's two years left on Elliott's deal. The only things that can mean anything now are missing game checks or the Week 10 deadline. Because nothing has been missed to this point, I just don't think the urgency is there for either side. Eventually, I believe they will strike a deal before the season starts that both sides will say was good for them.

Maybe it will go the way you are saying, and I'm just being optimistic. The Joneses have been pretty good about paying their own when they believe the value is there. We can look at the DeMarcus Lawrence deal to see that. They got that deal done when it had to be struck and both sides postured before then.

Yeah, but DLaw was up for a deal. I believe the Jones making an offer at all was their nod to Zeke that "yes, we will increase your pay but we aren't setting the market. Certainly not for a guy with 2 years on his current deal" Zeke can't accept that deal now or the whole "holdout" was a failure. I don't see either side giving in until new leverage is applied. Either Zeke realizes his expenses continue even though his revenue has stopped or things go so bad on the field that the FO makes what is probably a bad deal.
 

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Sorry. Should have been Rush both times. White was awful.

Neither Rush not White should be on the team

You really think either if them can win us an NFL game if Dak is out or 2 of 3 if Dak is injured for 2-3 games?

That is the job of a back up and I don’t think either can do it

This is part of my problem with this FO. They think with stars in their eyes. We have wasted 2 years on this garbage instead of getting a real back up which is what a real contender would do
 

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Neither Rush not White should be on the team

You really think either if them can win us an NFL game if Dak is out or 2 of 3 if Dak is injured for 2-3 games?

That is the job of a back up and I don’t think either can do it

This is part of my problem with this FO. They think with stars in their eyes. We have wasted 2 years on this garbage instead of getting a real back up which is what a real contender would do

Based on Saturday night? No. Rush has to hit those downfield passes, especially the one to Jarwin, even though he had pressure in his face. The TD pass to Davis was essentially a throwaway because there was no separation. The one he missed to Wilson (I believe) needed to be fit in there between the corner and the safety.

I'd love to have a better backup, but I've got to pick a roster from who we've got instead of who I'd like for us to have. On Saturday, Rush was the best backup we had by far. If the front office wants to go out and get better, I'm all for it.
 
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