Dak Prescott first year quarterback

Whirlwin · Aug 22, 2019

DallasEast said:
I think any point, that is similar to your own, should not include draft position as an element in bolstering it.
No one forgot. Does it really matter? Any player will either get or not get the job done based entirely on their own abilities and circumstances. That is my point.

The use a draft position for a reason. You might not like it or agree with it. But people stay up nights deciphering it

OmerV · Aug 22, 2019

Whirlwin said:
Brady's had at least three of them. Many quarterbacks have sat on the bench behind veterans but that's not even the point is it. You're getting ahead of the post.

Tom Brady sat one year. Granted, with him things were sped up because of an injury to Bledsoe, but ultimately he only sat on the bench for one season. And no, these days it is not common for QBs to sit behind veterans for several years. It was that way In the 1980's and before, and probably in the 1990's to a lesser degree, but these days that is not how it works the majority of the time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Dak isn't going to get better with the added years of experience, but it seems you are treating him differently than other QBs in this era, assuming many others got to benefit from several years of sitting and learning before stepping into the starting role. That really isn't the case. That's rare.

Whirlwin · Aug 22, 2019

DallasEast said:
I think any point, that is similar to your own, should not include draft position as an element in bolstering it.
No one forgot. Does it really matter? Any player will either get or not get the job done based entirely on their own abilities and circumstances. That is my point.

I thought I told you I agreed with that point. Maybe if they thought he could read a defense better he would have been in a higher draft position. I'm sure people took that into consideration. Make no mistake about it it matters where you're drafted it shows the tools. But you can't judge a player by his tools only. I think that's the point you're trying to make and I agree.

CF74 · Aug 22, 2019

One quality he’s had since day one that comes with being a seasoned veteran is protecting the ball. Most rookies are turnover machines, Dak is the opposite. This is something many first round qb’s never learn or take a good 3-5 years to learn, Dak is already ahead of the curve in that regard.

If he can improve from being a 17th ranked qb to about 10, I believe we have the supporting cast to make some noise in the Postseason...

Whirlwin · Aug 22, 2019

OmerV said:
Tom Brady sat one year. Granted, with him things were sped up because of an injury to Bledsoe, but ultimately he only sat on the bench for one season. And no, these days it is not common for QBs to sit behind veterans for several years. It was that way In the 1980's and before, and probably in the 1990's to a lesser degree, but these days that is not how it works.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Dak isn't going to get better with the added years of experience, but it seems you are treating him differently than other QBs in this era, assuming many others got to benefit from several years of sitting and learning before stepping into the starting role. That really isn't the case. That's rare.

I'm not talking about Brady I'm talking about the people that were drafted to be his backup that became starters, elsewhere they set behind him at least two or three seasons

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Aug 22, 2019

Through the first three years it's hard to gauge a young QB. Because he's basically still learning. But his fourth year is his first year without that still learning excuse built in. So this is Dak's first year with no excuses. Its put up or shut time for Dak.

Whirlwin · Aug 22, 2019

OmerV said:
Tom Brady sat one year. Granted, with him things were sped up because of an injury to Bledsoe, but ultimately he only sat on the bench for one season. And no, these days it is not common for QBs to sit behind veterans for several years. It was that way In the 1980's and before, and probably in the 1990's to a lesser degree, but these days that is not how it works the majority of the time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Dak isn't going to get better with the added years of experience, but it seems you are treating him differently than other QBs in this era, assuming many others got to benefit from several years of sitting and learning before stepping into the starting role. That really isn't the case. That's rare.

I'm not sure why it came across that way. I believe in the quarterback. I can't believe he's already succeeded as well as he has. I think his future is bright but this is the season for me no more excuses. Three seasons you should be able to read a defense your instincts should be solid by now. Just doesn't happen maybe to some

Whirlwin · Aug 22, 2019

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Through the first three years it's hard to gauge a young QB. Because he's basically still learning. But his fourth year is his first year without that still learning excuse built in. So this is Dak's first year with no excuses. Its put up or shut time for Dak.

Appreciate the comment my cowboy brother. Exactly what I was trying to get across

DallasEast · Aug 22, 2019

Whirlwin said:
The use a draft position for a reason. You might not like it or agree with it. But people stay up nights deciphering it

Bold = understatement. Obsess is a more accurate term describing how some fans and media talking heads refer to a player's draft position. It is an intangible with no real definitive connection to every player.

GMO415 · Aug 22, 2019

Hes always going to be compared to the other two QBs in his class; Goff and Wentz. Only two of them can read a Defense and that's Dak and Wentz. Out of those two, only Dak has proven his worth and durability.

Diehardblues · Aug 22, 2019

I’m confused what this thread is about ?

Whirlwin · Aug 22, 2019

DallasEast said:
Bold = understatement. Obsess is a more accurate term describing how some fans and media talking heads refer to a player's draft position. It is an intangible with no real definitive connection to every player.

Seriously I couldn't agree more. You're heart. Your character. Camaraderie in the locker room. Many other factors. I've always said give me a bunch of solid football players teach them to play as one and you win a championship you can keep your primadonnas

Whirlwin · Aug 22, 2019

Diehardblues said:
I’m confused what this thread is about ?[/QUO. . Basically what I'm saying is no more excuses Prescott. On-the-job training is over there's no more excuses. Time to show the world your franchise quarterback

Whirlwin · Aug 22, 2019

Diehardblues said:
I’m confused what this thread is about ?

Not your typical post. Usually someone slamming or praising I'm doing neither. I'm saying time to step up to the plate mr. Prescott I know you're not used to that my cowboy brother you love the argument. LOL sarcasm

Diehardblues · Aug 22, 2019

He’s fixing to sign a Top 5 contract. Apparently he’s already proved himself to the only one that maters. The great Football mind of Big Daddy Jethro Jone$ is All In. There’s nothing left to prove.

OmerV · Aug 22, 2019

Whirlwin said:
I'm not talking about Brady I'm talking about the people that were drafted to be his backup that became starters, elsewhere they set behind him at least two or three seasons

I said "quality starters", but okay, let's look at that. Jimmy Garapollo? He is going into his 6th season and still only has 10 career starts. Matt Cassel? He was a starter 3 years out of a 14 year career, and one of those was pretty bad, plus it's been a decade since he first got a chance to start after Brady got hurt. Who else?

Come on - don't ignore facts. Of today's quality starting QB's (and I include Dak in that), Rodgers and Cousins appear to be the only ones that sat for 3 years (or even 2 years) before becoming the starter. You can't pretend that is anything close to common.

Whirlwin · Aug 22, 2019

OmerV said:
I said "quality starters", but okay, let's look at that. Jimmy Garapollo? He is going into his 6th season and still only has 10 career starts. Matt Cassel? He was a starter 3 years out of a 14 year career, and one of those was pretty bad, plus it's been a decade since he first got a chance to start after Brady got hurt. Who else?

Come on - don't ignore facts. Of today's quality starting QB's (and I include Dak in that), Rodgers and Cousins appear to be the only ones that sat for 3 years (or even 2 years) before becoming the starter. You can't pretend that is anything close to common.

Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you at all. All I'm saying is there are quarterbacks that sat and learn behind veterans. Make no mistake about that . I believe there's a guy up in Denver right now. It's dying to become a starter. His many quarterbacks that been sitting on the bench for three years being a backup. Maybe that's all they will ever be.. My point is colleges the new training camp you don't have time to learn behind the veteran any longer. Did I say that in my first opening statement? On the other hand, how many starting quarterbacks are already gone because they couldn't succeed. The ones that didn't get to learn. Maybe we should've taken so long the draft a quarterback. I actually think we should Draft when every single season in the late rounds you never know what you're going to get even if it's draft trade ammunition

Whirlwin · Aug 22, 2019

I love it, I can't wait for the season go Cowboys. 11-5

OmerV · Aug 22, 2019

Whirlwin said:
Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you at all. All I'm saying is there are quarterbacks that sent and learn behind veterans. Make no mistake about that

But if it isn't common, and in fact is rare, why should Dak be viewed as if this is his first year because he should have been on the bench learning for 3 years? QB's don't get that luxury, and for the most part haven't for a couple of decades. Dak has to be judged on the same scale as other QBs.

Whirlwin · Aug 22, 2019

OmerV said:
But if it isn't common, and in fact is rare, why should Dak be viewed as if this is his first year because he should have been on the bench learning for 3 years? QB's don't get that luxury, and for the most part haven't for a couple of decades. Dak has to be judged on the same scale as other QBs.

Simply because that's my opinion. I think it takes three years before you can really see what you have in a draft pick no matter where you're drafted. I think most people will agree with that. On average absolutely. How many quarterbacks that people thought would be way better already lost their careers being drafted in the first round second round. And Prescott is still here. Getting better every season. I still don't think you want to see the point and that's cool. My last comment got to go. He should be judged as all the quarterbacks his draft class are judged. And I think he's the best of them. At this point in his career

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