What happened to the pre-snap motion?

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I can live with a loss, the fumbles, the team not playing their best, and etc. There were good things to be taken from the game on the defensive side. I don't want to be completely negative. But the team got away from what has been working for them under Kellen Moore. There should be zero "they played a better team defense" narrative. Did they? Sure. But there was a clear change in playcalling, especially in the run game. And the question that really needs to be posed is as simple as why? The formula thus far under Kellen has been catch the defense off guard by using presnap motion, subbing in Pollard, throwing more on first down, etc. etc. all of this has kept defenses on their toes. Today we knew watching at home before the snap when the run up the gut was coming and so did the Saints defense.

Why the sudden change of philosophy? Kellen Moore was obviously calling the plays today but was there something going on behind the scenes this week with scheming for this game differently? I have a hard time believing if Kellen was the head coach (and I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be) that this is how he would have called this game.

Sure, Saints sold out on the run on first and second down. So did the Giants and they're historically pretty solid at stopping the run the past few years, but we schemed excellently against them. Why'd we get so vanilla today? The question really needs to be posed instead of just jumping to emotional conclusions. I think the team's gameplan on offense set the team up for failure. If a rookie coordinator just didn't call a very good game, I can live with it, but does anybody else have a hard time believing that's how Kellen wanted to call that game? Idk, thoughts, opinions, maybe if I'm lucky reporters asking some tough questions...
 

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No Gallup (huge loss) and a banged up Cooper.

And the offensive line failed to win the trenches.

With our 2 lost fumbles it’s actually surprising we only lost by 2 points.

Disappointing that Pollard didn’t get a single carry.
 

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Not denying missing Gallup hurts or anything else, but where is the presnap motion? Payton was catching us off guard left and right with presnap motion even though our defense played pretty well, it gives the defense more to be accountable for. What happened to it. And it's not just presnap motion, we reverted back to the old line everybody up in a row and run the ball up the middle.
 

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We play games where we look amazing and run well executed plays. The next week we try to out smart ourselves and shy away from our strengths. I don’t know what to tell you, it’s the Jason Garrett way.
 

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I can live with a loss, the fumbles, the team not playing their best, and etc. There were good things to be taken from the game on the defensive side. I don't want to be completely negative. But the team got away from what has been working for them under Kellen Moore. There should be zero "they played a better team defense" narrative. Did they? Sure. But there was a clear change in playcalling, especially in the run game. And the question that really needs to be posed is as simple as why? The formula thus far under Kellen has been catch the defense off guard by using presnap motion, subbing in Pollard, throwing more on first down, etc. etc. all of this has kept defenses on their toes. Today we knew watching at home before the snap when the run up the gut was coming and so did the Saints defense.

Why the sudden change of philosophy? Kellen Moore was obviously calling the plays today but was there something going on behind the scenes this week with scheming for this game differently? I have a hard time believing if Kellen was the head coach (and I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be) that this is how he would have called this game.

Sure, Saints sold out on the run on first and second down. So did the Giants and they're historically pretty solid at stopping the run the past few years, but we schemed excellently against them. Why'd we get so vanilla today? The question really needs to be posed instead of just jumping to emotional conclusions. I think the team's gameplan on offense set the team up for failure. If a rookie coordinator just didn't call a very good game, I can live with it, but does anybody else have a hard time believing that's how Kellen wanted to call that game? Idk, thoughts, opinions, maybe if I'm lucky reporters asking some tough questions...
You are speaking to my heart right now!
This is absolutely what I saw and the same question I want answered:

WHY!?
 

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You are speaking to my heart right now!
This is absolutely what I saw and the same question I want answered:

WHY!?

Yeah, exactly. I'm not trying to overreact, be super negative, but I think I pose a fair point and it did make the game extremely frustrating to watch at least on my end.
 

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No Gallup (huge loss) and a banged up Cooper.

And the offensive line failed to win the trenches.

With our 2 lost fumbles it’s actually surprising we only lost by 2 points.

Disappointing that Pollard didn’t get a single carry.

Defensively, the Cowboys played pretty solid. If Lawrence suits up against Green Bay, the pass rush should become a solid and planable element in play now.

Offensively, the pass protection was pretty good. We'll see what a high ankle sprain on Smith changes that view. But the team can overcome an only average penalty.

Antwon Wood hasn't made it back yet, and nose tackle was not truly there tonight. That might even pick up now...and could add a little more cohesion defensively.

Having offensive linemen of opponents getting off onto linebackers matters as well. Woods might help here as well.
 

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Still chapped about that Elliott fumble.

One, his elbow was down before the ball got ripped out. That BS about it moving before he was down was preposterous.

Two, down or not, Elliott can't get the ball ripped out there. He had some fumble issues last year and you can't do that in a big road game, especially when you held out thinking you deserved to be the highest paid TB. The highest paid TB makes plays, not mistakes, in the biggest games.
 

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Was wondering the same thing the whole time they kept showing Lattimore following Cooper around the field.

Why the heck isn't Cooper going in motion to cause some confusion in their secondary or give him an edge over Lattimore.
 

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I can live with a loss, the fumbles, the team not playing their best, and etc. There were good things to be taken from the game on the defensive side. I don't want to be completely negative. But the team got away from what has been working for them under Kellen Moore. There should be zero "they played a better team defense" narrative. Did they? Sure. But there was a clear change in playcalling, especially in the run game. And the question that really needs to be posed is as simple as why? The formula thus far under Kellen has been catch the defense off guard by using presnap motion, subbing in Pollard, throwing more on first down, etc. etc. all of this has kept defenses on their toes. Today we knew watching at home before the snap when the run up the gut was coming and so did the Saints defense.

Why the sudden change of philosophy? Kellen Moore was obviously calling the plays today but was there something going on behind the scenes this week with scheming for this game differently? I have a hard time believing if Kellen was the head coach (and I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be) that this is how he would have called this game.

Sure, Saints sold out on the run on first and second down. So did the Giants and they're historically pretty solid at stopping the run the past few years, but we schemed excellently against them. Why'd we get so vanilla today? The question really needs to be posed instead of just jumping to emotional conclusions. I think the team's gameplan on offense set the team up for failure. If a rookie coordinator just didn't call a very good game, I can live with it, but does anybody else have a hard time believing that's how Kellen wanted to call that game? Idk, thoughts, opinions, maybe if I'm lucky reporters asking some tough questions...
I have a hard time believing that somehow, someone stepped in and sabatoged Moore for just this game. In fact, it’s ridiculous. If you want to credit Moore for the wins, then you can’t turnaround and absolve him when things don’t go well.
 

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No Gallup (huge loss) and a banged up Cooper.

And the offensive line failed to win the trenches.

With our 2 lost fumbles it’s actually surprising we only lost by 2 points.

Disappointing that Pollard didn’t get a single carry.

Here you go man by the end of the season you will need all the help you can get with them excuses....

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Advance apologies if this seems to hijack your post, but it bears mentioning that priorities in a single NFL game can change bunches of time throughout the course of the game for multiple times based on changing conditions...

Whole NFL season priorities can change based on specific conditions as well.that
With that said, If Tyron Smith is out for a substantial period of time, the entire priority of the offense is compromised because of all that he provides. It really is the one true take away from this game.

It's like the nexxus holding everything else together basically.

Apologies again. The several questions that need to be answered is how will Coach Garrett use Fleming and/or additional blockers to help Moore's offense during Smith's absence.

There in lies the answer to the season if answered effectively. If not, as was posted about, it's just another 2017 flashback and replayed all over again.

No you're fine, Tyron Smith/Cameron Fleming is a vital story at this point for the future of the season and onward. My concern is just that we have been scheming to make Dak/Zeke's job "easier" (however you want to put it, but set them up to succeed) and I think we got away from that completely in our gameplan this week. Now you're right, Tyron Smith potentially missing time changes a lot. But since Dallas clearly isn't going to address it to the media I hope they at least address amongst themselves how we can get back to outscheming defenses.
 

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JG probably thought since we beat them last year using his crappy scheme, we use it again this year instead of using all the things that made our offense dynamic in past 3 games.
I said the same thing!
 
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