If Stephen Jones doesnt care why should the fans?

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Hadenough said:
How in the heck can you get excited about the Jets. I didnt even watch the Miami game. If the Skins and Giants weren't division rivals I wouldnt have any interest. It's the competitive games I care about and those are the ones they usually struggle. I care about those games because they are a measuring stick to see how the team is doing.
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You don't get it my cowboy brother. Division games I don't care for Bowl teams or 0 / 30 LOL. You know it's going to be a battle you just don't enjoy it like I do that's the difference
 
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DandyDon52 said:
They were ready to play lol, just not play very good. And both GB and NO played great when they
played dallas, so give them credit too.
One thing JG and even the jones dont seem to realize is that teams love to beat the cowboys.
They might play their best game of the year against the cowboys.
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The Jets will treat the game Sunday as their Super Bowl. National TV audience in the afternoon slot.
 
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clff15701 said:
There is zero reason to spend money on the Cowboys. Stephen and his comments today make it clear Jason isn't going anywhere. We are basically the Detroit Lions or Washington Commanders. Its Jerry and Stephens toy and there is no reason for them to change. Its been 25 years of crap. If Jason isn't gone I'm getting to the point where I'm almost done with this team.
His comments today were a slap in the face to any fan who has been with this team.
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Even if they do plan to terminate Garret, they sure as heck are going to lie about it until it happens.
 
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clff15701 said:
There is zero reason to spend money on the Cowboys. Stephen and his comments today make it clear Jason isn't going anywhere. We are basically the Detroit Lions or Washington Commanders. Its Jerry and Stephens toy and there is no reason for them to change. Its been 25 years of crap. If Jason isn't gone I'm getting to the point where I'm almost done with this team.
His comments today were a slap in the face to any fan who has been with this team.
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I agree 100%. The Jones’ love of Garrett is greater than their desire to win. The franchise has been a long running joke and any sane Cowboys fan can see exactly where this season is headed.
 
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It’s funny how all of the Stephen is running Cowboys Football rhetoric vanishes when team is under distress.

Best part is the Homers go into hiding. Lol
 
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atlantacowboy said:
Even if they do plan to terminate Garret, they sure as heck are going to lie about it until it happens.
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I doubt the decision has been made either way yet, but this is accurate. And it's not just the Cowboys. No team is going to go public with their plans to fire a coach before the do, nor will they say they are considering it.
 
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clff15701 said:
There is zero reason to spend money on the Cowboys. Stephen and his comments today make it clear Jason isn't going anywhere. We are basically the Detroit Lions or Washington Commanders. Its Jerry and Stephens toy and there is no reason for them to change. Its been 25 years of crap. If Jason isn't gone I'm getting to the point where I'm almost done with this team.
His comments today were a slap in the face to any fan who has been with this team.
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If they lose to NYJ he'll be fired.
 
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I'm just in whatever mode right now with this team.

IF you think about it then it's really a win win situation. If the team does nothing this year then Garrett may finally be gone.

We need to just start beating up on the easy opponents like we have done this year, Win both Eagles games, and go up to Foxboro and beat the Patriots to swing momentum back into our season.

Right now our stock is low but i'll buy this low stock because the talent on this team is still top notch.

My only real concern with this team that we seem to not have a answer for is the run defense. It's terrible and there is no reason for it to be as bad as it is.
 

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I don't think it's that they don't care.

I think it's simply that they struggle at building a complete team from roster to coaching staff. Loyalty is a factor that the better teams don't allow to infiltrate personnel and coaching decisions, but unfortunately, that seems to be a factor here.

The other issue is that without a real GM, there is no accountability. Jerry and Stephen can make decisions based on whims. A real GM has to come in here with a clear plan and try to execute that plan or he will be gone.
 

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gjkoeppen said:
Let me get this straight. Garrett has a winning record and has won the division 2 out of the last 3 years and because you now think Garrett will get a new contract you're saying it's a slap in the face to all fans? I suggest that your claim to be a fan is in question. Since the very first day the Cowboys have had some players and later some coaches that I wasn't crazy about but at NO TIME have I ever thought about not continuing to be a Cowboys fan. There are players on every team that aren't crazy about a player(s) but that doesn't stop them from trying their best. You just sound like gee because we haven't won a Super Bowl in a lot of years I'm turning into a fair weather fan.
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And what has winning the division gotten him? He's still not sniffed a NFC title game. And his track record is longer than 3 years...........it's going to be 9 full seasons after 2019.

You can't just magically make the first 5 years disappear because you don't like how it makes him look.

There should be ZERO hesitation from the Jones to move on from Garrett if he doesn't make the playoffs in 2019. Maybe even no hesitation if he squeaks into the playoffs and drops another early turd.
 
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The problem in Dallas is that Garrett and Jerry are friends and their families are friends. Garrett's been around so long he like a son to Jerry. I think Garrett's father worked for the Cowboys. This is a mom and pop run business and they aren't cut throat enough. Jerry will just promote Garrett to upper office. The Cowboys are joke of an organization and it makes no sense because Jerry runs his other business so much more on a professional level.
 
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What does Garrett actually DO? I watch him and he just stands there clapping saying "Way to go...way to play." He's in charge of timeouts, red flags, and encourages the team.

Dude, at least two dozen of us board members could do that.
 
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Hadenough said:
The problem in Dallas is that Garrett and Jerry are friends and their families are friends. Garrett's been around so long he like a son to Jerry. I think Garrett's father worked for the Cowboys. This is a mom and pop run business and they aren't cut throat enough. Jerry will just promote Garrett to upper office. The Cowboys are joke of an organization and it makes no sense because Jerry runs his other business so much more on a professional level.
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Jason Garrett's father never worked for the Cowboys. Jason Garrett's brother Judd has been the director of pro scouting since 2008. Jerry and Garrett have been seen at different events together, the same events that other owners and their coaches attended. To make that out like Jones and Garrett and their wives get together and play bridge or go on vacations together is ridiculous. After 12 years of working for Jones I'm sure they have developed a working friendship and I've not read or heard of their families being such good friends doing anything socially like how you tried to paint them as friends would do.
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Sydla said:
And what has winning the division gotten him? He's still not sniffed a NFC title game. And his track record is longer than 3 years...........it's going to be 9 full seasons after 2019.

You can't just magically make the first 5 years disappear because you don't like how it makes him look.

There should be ZERO hesitation from the Jones to move on from Garrett if he doesn't make the playoffs in 2019. Maybe even no hesitation if he squeaks into the playoffs and drops another early turd.
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When Garrett was made head coach he inherited an offense and defense ranked in the bottom half. It had an aging offensive line. Wasn't until his 3rd year that the Cowboys had a 1000 yard rusher, Murry. Wasn't until his second season that Bryant gain 1000 yards receiving. Yet while rebuilding this team he still got to 500 each of those first 3 seasons most due to the efforts of Romo. Then in his forth season the Cowboys go 12 - 4 and win the division. The next season 2015 the Cowboys suffered a lot of injuries on both offense and defense including Romo and the Cowboys finished with their first losing record in Garrett took over as an interim head coach. Then comes the 2 out 3 division titles.

There have been very few new 1st time head coaches who have come in and got their teams to the playoffs in the first season or 2 or 3 so to keep harping about Garrett's first 3 seasons is totally unrealistic. Most of them have losing records for a season or two which Garrett didn't. I'm not saying Garrett is the best coach of all time but he's better than what the Garrett haters TRY to paint him.
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gjkoeppen said:
Jason Garrett's father never worked for the Cowboys. Jason Garrett's brother Judd has been the director of pro scouting since 2008. Jerry and Garrett have been seen at different events together, the same events that other owners and their coaches attended. To make that out like Jones and Garrett and their wives get together and play bridge or go on vacations together is ridiculous. After 12 years of working for Jones I'm sure they have developed a working friendship and I've not read or heard of their families being such good friends doing anything socially like how you tried to paint them as friends would do.
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Jim Garrett most certainly worked for the cowboys, almost 20 years or so of service in the scouting department.
 
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gjkoeppen said:
When Garrett was made head coach he inherited an offense and defense ranked in the bottom half. It had an aging offensive line. Wasn't until his 3rd year that the Cowboys had a 1000 yard rusher, Murry. Wasn't until his second season that Bryant gain 1000 yards receiving. Yet while rebuilding this team he still got to 500 each of those first 3 seasons most due to the efforts of Romo. Then in his forth season the Cowboys go 12 - 4 and win the division. The next season 2015 the Cowboys suffered a lot of injuries on both offense and defense including Romo and the Cowboys finished with their first losing record in Garrett took over as an interim head coach. Then comes the 2 out 3 division titles.

There have been very few new 1st time head coaches who have come in and got their teams to the playoffs in the first season or 2 or 3 so to keep harping about Garrett's first 3 seasons is totally unrealistic. Most of them have losing records for a season or two which Garrett didn't. I'm not saying Garrett is the best coach of all time but he's better than what the Garrett haters TRY to paint him.
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Umm this is completely false about the offense he "Inherited". The offenses he coordinated in 07, 08, and 09 were very good to excellent.

the 2010 numbers were skewed because Romo was injured, barber and jones were banged up and Jon Kitna was awful in a couple of the games he played in...mostly Jax, GB and Ari.

But he did not in any way inherit a bad offense. The line was in need of rebuilding and so were the running backs but it was not a bad offense at all. The 2011 team had injuries at RB and O-line again that cost them some games but it was an outstanding offense. Romo was spectacular except for two games vs the Jets and Lions. After the lions game he was pretty great all year. The final game at NY the offensive line was no match for the Giants defense...just like nobody else was when they one the super bowl a few weeks later.
 
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Tass said:
What does Garrett actually DO? I watch him and he just stands there clapping saying "Way to go...way to play." He's in charge of timeouts, red flags, and encourages the team.

Dude, at least two dozen of us board members could do that.
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There are some legitimate criticisms of Garrett, but this isn't one of them.

I assume you realize the job isn't just on game day, and that it isn't uncommon for head coaches to not be coordinators. Watch Belichick sometime. He isn't running around coaching players either. Some head coaches do, and some don't. There isn't only one way.

During the week leading up to game the head coach instructs the coaches on what he wants the team to work on, schedules practices, watches game film, reviews game plans with the coordinators and generally oversees game week preparation. He is a manager, much like a manager might be in a business setting where he doesn't do all the work himself, but rather hires lower level managers to make sure the work gets done in accordance with his expectations.

All that said, I'm not indicating that Garrett is outstanding at any of this, I'm just informing that coaching is not just about what you see in game day, and that's especially true with a head coach who is not an offensive or defensive coordinator.
 
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