Barry Switzer shuts down Lincoln Riley to Cowboys noise

Risen Star said:

Nobody said it's not what some prefer. I said if they have the desire to reach the top of their profession and coach with and against the best they have to do it in the NFL. That can't be accomplished in college.

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But if their profession is a college coach then why wouldn’t be winning the college championship be their ultimate goal and reaching the top of their profession?

Hardline said:

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Barry Switzer didn’t shut down anything. He just gave an opinion. Speaking of opinions, ask him of an NFL coach should be eating hot dogs on the sideline during a game.

Risen Star said:

Do we really have to have this conversation every year?

If a football coach wants to reach the pinnacle of his profession he has to do it in the NFL. Period. There is no rebuttal to that. College is the minor leagues. If you're content in the minors, have fun but it speaks volumes about you.

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I agree completely... which is why Saban returned to college. The NFL simply exposes the fact that really nobody is better than anybody else. IN colege, the legit top teams only have to play 2-4 games per year where you can be beat... IN the NFL, out of 16, you have a legit shot at losing in 12-13 of those games, which is why teams go up and down up and down from year to year. There is really only 1 exception to that rule, and that exception is also about to go away.

Risen Star said:

That's why I haven't even considered head coach options. It's a waste of time until I know we really will be looking for one.

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No childish sarcasm? Is this going to be the new Risen? Sure hope so.

darthseinfeld said:

Not of you are on Oklahoma homer. If you are an Oklahoma homer, then OU football is the absolute pinnacle

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It’s because it’s the only thing worth a damn in that good forbidden state.

Haimerej said:

What makes him a genius?

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I'm using the work in relative terms to signify a coach with unique X & O abilities vs some great Head Coaches that were more "walk-around" type Head Coaches that hired great offensive/defensive coordinators.

Most coaches that make it to NFL Head Coach have very good knowledge of football; however, some come along that have upped the X & O concepts relative to what is common at the time.

Long time Giants HC Tom Coughlin is an example of Over-Bearing personality but average X & O NFL Head Coach.

Sean McVay with the Rams is more X & O Guru with enough personality to function as an NFL Head Coach.

I would therefore put McVay in the Genius or X & O Guru category and I would put Coughlin in the Over-Bearing Personality category.

Belichick is obviously both.

Parcells with the Giants was a great defensive mind, but it was his ability to dominate and manipulate players and everyone else just with his personality that made him a legend.

Jimmy was a Genius beyond X & O issues. His ability to come to the NFL and foresee the exact types of styles needed on both offense and defense was unique even if he gave the responsibilities for the details of implementation to his offensive coordinator and to some extent his defensive coordinator. Jimmy's mantra from day one was speed on defense and size on the OL and at FB. They broke the mold on OL making players well over 300 pounds common whereas a 320 pound player on OL or DL had been rare just a few seasons prior when people thought 320 pound Refrigerator Perry was the biggest human ever to play football. Jimmy also focused on getting uber fast LBs even if they were a bit smallish but, like with the OL, that type of LB became the standard afterwards. Jimmy was also a master motivator and manipulator of people including the players an people like Mike Lynn the GM that traded for Herschel Walker.

xwalker said:

I'm using the work in relative terms to signify a coach with unique X & O abilities vs some great Head Coaches that were more "walk-around" type Head Coaches that hired great offensive/defensive coordinators.

Most coaches that make it to NFL Head Coach have very good knowledge of football; however, some come along that have upped the X & O concepts relative to what is common at the time.

Long time Giants HC Tom Coughlin is an example of Over-Bearing personality but average X & O NFL Head Coach.

Sean McVay with the Rams is more X & O Guru with enough personality to function as an NFL Head Coach.

I would therefore put McVay in the Genius or X & O Guru category and I would put Coughlin in the Over-Bearing Personality category.

Belichick is obviously both.

Parcells with the Giants was a great defensive mind, but it was his ability to dominate and manipulate players and everyone else just with his personality that made him a legend.

Jimmy was a Genius beyond X & O issues. His ability to come to the NFL and foresee the exact types of styles needed on both offense and defense was unique even if he gave the responsibilities for the details of implementation to his offensive coordinator and to some extent his defensive coordinator. Jimmy's mantra from day one was speed on defense and size on the OL and at FB. They broke the mold on OL making players well over 300 pounds common whereas a 320 pound player on OL or DL had been rare just a few seasons prior when people thought 320 pound Refrigerator Perry was the biggest human ever to play football. Jimmy also focused on getting uber fast LBs even if they were a bit smallish but, like with the OL, that type of LB became the standard afterwards. Jimmy was also a master motivator and manipulator of people including the players an people like Mike Lynn the GM that traded for Herschel Walker.

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Ok. So what makes Lincoln Riley a genius? I'm always skeptical of a successful college coach at a big time program. They have clear talent advantages. I assume most of the Riley love around here is due to Oklahoma being somewhat Dallas Cowboys country as far as the NFL. I've not seen anything from Riley that makes me think he's got any secret sauce.

These kind of comments routinely ignore that big-time people (coaches are no different) like rising to the height of their profession.

Barry may say that his current job is the pinnacle but every college coach that has left a great program to come to the NFL probably had a loudmouth stay the same.

How many NFL coaches are itching to get to college?

"Lincoln has a great job, has a great product to sell. University of Oklahoma has a great tradition. Kids from Texas are easy to recruit there too. More people would rather have the job he just left (Oklahoma) than the Cowboys probably."

he had to throw that in lol

Risen Star said:

Do we really have to have this conversation every year?

If a football coach wants to reach the pinnacle of his profession he has to do it in the NFL. Period. There is no rebuttal to that. College is the minor leagues. If you're content in the minors, have fun but it speaks volumes about you.

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What impudence, me man!
Saban, Herman of Texas and Dabo would disagree.
Great college coaches, me stekys cutter, are legend.
NFL coaches today are interim or transient.

Colege coaches, aside from recruiting, have it cushy when they win.

Haimerej said:

Ok. So what makes Lincoln Riley a genius? I'm always skeptical of a successful college coach at a big time program. They have clear talent advantages. I assume most of the Riley love around here is due to Oklahoma being somewhat Dallas Cowboys country as far as the NFL. I've not seen anything from Riley that makes me think he's got any secret sauce.

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If you are going to ask the questions, then please take the time to digest everything that I've posted. I would not give this type of detailed reply if I thought you were just trolling.

I'm unaffected by where Riley is coaching; although I agree that there is extra fan support for him due to a large number of OU fans that are also Cowboys fans.

You have to study a lot of game footage to really see the intricacies of what Riley does well in terms of X & O issues.

Much like last season, most fans/media didn't really understand what fueled the Rams success. The only obvious point the media could point to was that the Rams almost always used 11 personnel (3 WRs, 1 TE, 1 RB). Everything else was in the details of each play and the details of their blocking scheme. Some fans tried to claim the Rams were running a spread offense and others tired to say their success was all due to RPOs or something that was easily labeled. The very best schemes like Belichick's defense can't really be defined by simple terms. Fans/media struggle to get past 3-4 vs 4-3 because those are easy labels. Belichick's defense does not fit any labels other than maybe "multiple front" but that really does not give any insight into why it's better than when knuckleheads like Rob Ryan tried to run a multiple front.

Riley's other positive attribute is that similar to Belichick he seems to tailor his offense to the players that he has on the roster, especially the QB.

Again, the term genius is just a category of types of coaches. In general coaches are not remotely close to the intelligence of real geniuses (living or in history).

This year I've been working for a company that has designed a Quantum Computer and is in the process of developing it into commercial product. The people that designed it make all football coaches look like the backwoods Hillbillies from Deliverance in comparison.

Part of "genius" with regards to football coaches is just the ability to implement their scheme. There are likely many coaches that understand the basics of what the Rams did in 2018 but McVay took the "theory" and was able to get players to execute it. It's similar with Belichick. Much of what he does could be analyzed by expert coaches but actually getting players to execute a complicated scheme is where Belichick really stands out. The Cowboys have trouble getting clean execution of their simple schemes. Rob Ryan might have had good ideas in theory, but he was never able to get players to consistently execute his schemes regardless of where he coached. His concepts worked for periods of time but if he was given too much leeway by the Head Coach then he ended up shooting himself in the foot by being over-confident in his scheme but not really teaching the players to execute it and not really tailoring it to the players available.

Riley has shown the ability to get good execution of his scheme by his players.

Garrett's teams have tended to under-perform relative to the talent level on the roster.

I'm NOT advocating for or against Lincoln Riley as the next Head Coach for the Cowboys. I'm just answering the questions that you asked.

I do NOT know who would be the best choice to replace Garrett.
- I would NOT follow the lead of AZ and hire a coach like Kliff Kingsbury.
- That type of scheme has never worked in the NFL.
- Maybe it will work in AZ but I would not bet on something that has been tried and always failed.

I don't study all top college coaches to really rate them relative to each other. I have studied Riley just because rumors have linked him to the Cowboys for the past year or more.

I also don't study NFL assistant coaches to know which ones would make great Head Coaches.

In practical terms, it seems that in order to hire the most in-demand Offensive or Defensive minds, that they have to be hired that they have to be hired as the Head Coach. The Sean McVay type is not available to hire just as an Offensive Coordinator. McVay hired Wade Phillips who has has great success as a D-Coordinator and is available as a Coordinator because he has failed multiple times as a Head Coach.

My 2 priorities for a new Head Coach and coaching staff:
1. Head Coach that has a has a strong personality (stronger than Garrett).
2. Coaching Staff that understands modern blocking schemes.

The Cowboys biggest struggles this season and in the Rams playoff game have been related to the Zone Blocking Scheme.
- The Cowboys defense struggles to stop it.
- The Cowboys offense struggles to run it consistently.

Lincoln Riley does do some unique things with his blocking scheme.

Former OL coach Bill Callahan was a huge loss when he departed. He departed because he disliked Garrett.

The Rams OL coach Aaron Kromer appears to be a great coach but he'll likely never become a Head Coach because he was arrested for punching a teenage boy in the face. Kromer and his son confronted 3 boys in the dark for taking beach chairs from his property. Kromer says he felt threatened and could not really see the person that he punched.

If the Cowboys hire a new Head Coach and the Skins hire a new Head Coach, I would go all in to get Bill Callahan back as either the OL coach or as a consultant. If he were a consultant, I would want him to work with the defense as well as with the offense to understand all details of blocking schemes.

Columbo played in Houck's man blocking scheme but the Cowboys are still trying to run both Zone and Man blocking. Houck has been a consultant to Columbo but Houck was NOT a master of blocking schemes. He made his name teaching technique to individual players an then having them just line up and beat their man. He didn't scheme to help them.

The Packers have had a resurgence this season with a new coaching staff after years of underachieving relative to the talent of their QB. A big part of the change has been a bigger focus on the running game and they're running a Zone Blocking Scheme that has been a great fit for RB Aaron Jones; although he has struggled in a couple of recent games.


Summary:
The term Genius relative to coaches is just a category. We could just call it X&O coach vs Personality coach to different Sean McVay from Tom Coughlin in terms of what made them successful.

Obviously the greatest coaches have both.

Garrett has neither one.

Garrett would be a good mid-level manager at a company but not a good CEO and not a good leader of a start-up company.

If there was a legit role for coaches as The Assistant Head Coach, then Garrett might be good in that role. He could take much of the daily duties like preparing practice schedules, meeting with players about attendance or minor discipline issues and other various mundane tasks. If he had a strong Head Coach dictating the big picture to him, then Garrett would be good at grinding away at implementing those types of details. Garrett has been much better about being an organized Head Coach as compared to when Wade Phillips was the Head Coach. Garrett is boring when talking to the media but at least does NOT look like a dear-in-the-headlights like Wade often did in press conferences when an unexpected question was asked.

If my occupation was coaching, I'll freely admit that I would never be in the Parcells type Personality category. I would be best just aspiring to be a great coordinator like Wade Phillips because I can't manipulate people in that Parcells/Jimmy way. Above all else the #1 reason for the success of coaches like Parcells and Jimmy was their ability to impose their will onto other people.

Translation: Going to take a lot more money to get me to jump to the NFL.

Toruk_Makto said:

How many NFL coaches are itching to get to college?

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Ones that cant hack it