Why was Zeke out of the game?

Dre11 · Dec 7, 2019

Blackrain said:
I you are a 26yr old NFL RB and are winded after a couple runs you are doing something wrong with your training and flat out not in shape
When you are the highest paid RB in the league you are getting paid to be in Olympic condition at all times and not have to sit in critical situations unless injured

You're not dealing with 90s types players. Theyre not built like that. That's number one. Number two this man body is beat up from his first couple years where he took beatings and had huge workloads. that catches up with you quickly. it's not like he avoids contact, he's a violent runner and it's not like he's 210. he's 225 ish. Also I'm not a hundred percent but I kind of remember seeing him smoking if he does smoke that takes a toll as well

Aviano90 · Dec 7, 2019

The writing was on the wall early.

1. He came into his first training camp 6 lbs overweight.
2. He was whining on Twitter about having to wake up on the 2nd day of camp. His mom called him out on it.
3. Dude is at the weed shop hours before his first NFL preseason game action.
4. He comes into 2017 looking much bigger than 2016 and this is where the “fat Zeke” jokes came along.
5. His efficiency dropped to the level of Joseph Randle 2015 that year.
6. All or Nothing gets released and shows Zeke rolling into meetings looking like he just left the club and in need of a full nights sleep.
7. His big play ability has seemingly disappeared. No breakaway speed anymore. He doesn’t even clock in the NFL fastest runners on his “splash” plays anymore.

In my opinion, it’s his work ethic or lack thereof. He has relied on natural ability and that is declining faster than it should because he isn’t putting in the type of work needed to sustain a “generational” type of player status. We got that player for 1 year and since have just had a good to very good player.

BourbonBalz · Dec 7, 2019

John813 said:
Another question is why did this team go with a fullback for their backup RB?

Why not promote a RB for the week when they put Connor on IR and it was looking like Pollard would miss the game.

The OT they signed was inactive...

Because this coaching staff is as dumb as a box of lint.

Blackrain · Dec 7, 2019

Aviano90 said:
I wonder what Zeke’s “feed me” to “rest me” hand signal ratio is this year?

About 1to 1 it looks like . This guy needs to start a wrestling career he taps out so much Sheesh

Hadenough · Dec 7, 2019

Blackrain said:
On third and 4 on the 24 why was Zeke the guy we just paid a fortune out of the game . Why was some scrub who never plays the intended target on such an important play and why was he unprepared .

We came away with no points on that possession because our kicker missed again but should have been able to drive in for a TD if Zeke was in shape enough to play instead of on the sideline .

This possession changed the game IMO and sealed Garretts fate with another coaching error in a big moment

Actually if you really want to blame someone it should be the GM. There is no good reason not to have a couple of solid RBs behind Zeke every game. I wanted Dallas to make a trade for Mostert in the off season or they should of brought in Latavius Murray but nope they roll with Pollard who is built like a WR more than a RB. The Cowboys always bring Morris in and he really isnt any good anymore. If you look around the league everyone has two decent RBs but Dallas.

Blackrain · Dec 7, 2019

Aviano90 said:
The writing was on the wall early.

1. He came into his first training camp 6 lbs overweight.
2. He was whining on Twitter about having to wake up on the 2nd day of camp. His mom called him out on it.
3. Dude is at the weed shop hours before his first NFL preseason game action.
4. He comes into 2017 looking much bigger than 2016 and this is where the “fat Zeke” jokes came along.
5. His efficiency dropped to the level of Joseph Randle 2015 that year.
6. All or Nothing gets released and shows Zeke rolling into meetings looking like he just left the club and in need of a full nights sleep.
7. His big play ability has seemingly disappeared. No breakaway speed anymore. He doesn’t even clock in the NFL fastest runners on his “splash” plays anymore.

In my opinion, it’s his work ethic or lack thereof. He has relied on natural ability and that is declining faster than it should because he isn’t putting in the type of work needed to sustain a “generational” type of player status. We got that player for 1 year and since have just had a good to very good player.

Spot on brother

visionary · Dec 7, 2019

Future said:
B/c he did all the work to get them there and needed a blow.

Are we doing this again?

LOL, no
4th down is too important in that game, you take a TO if Zak needs a blow
That wasn’t the reason

these morons thought they were going to pull one over the Bears and out smarted themselves as usual

it’s bad coaching

visionary · Dec 7, 2019

nightrain said:
That play was a perfect call. Zeke would have been covered. Dak got the ball where it needed to be. the FB %!@# the bed.

thats the “perfect call” if you have practiced it enough again and again to the point where everyone knows exactly what needs to happen because it is 4th down

this is on the coaches

the FB and QB were not on the same page so it was clearly not practiced enough to have been called

Blackrain · Dec 7, 2019

visionary said:
thats the “perfect call” if you have practiced it enough again and again to the point where everyone knows exactly what needs to happen because it is 4th down

this is on the coaches

the FB and QB were not on the same page so it was clearly not practiced enough to have been called

Correct its on the coaches to either have practiced it enough with the personnel you have in the game or put somebody in say Austin if Zeke is so winded he cant go that knows what to do .

What it comes down to is the NFL is not the place for squandering opportunities if you want to win . We certainly squandered this one and a TD here could have very well changed the whole game . Even a FG could have made a big difference but heres another area that hurts us every week and we do nothing to fix it .

Blackrain · Dec 7, 2019

Dre11 said:
You're not dealing with 90s types players. Theyre not built like that. That's number one. Number two this man body is beat up from his first couple years where he took beatings and had huge workloads. that catches up with you quickly. it's not like he avoids contact, he's a violent runner and it's not like he's 210. he's 225 ish. Also I'm not a hundred percent but I kind of remember seeing him smoking if he does smoke that takes a toll as well

What do you mean we arent dealing with 90s players . Dose that mean we have to accept them commanding more money but being softer and in poor physical condition to the point we cant count on them in big moments

Before you talk about Zekes huge work load look at some of the other great backs Emmitt , Tony Dorsett had that kind of work load and didnt tap out . Heck John Riggins had 375 carries at 34 yrs old 1347 yrds and 24 TDs Thats a work load !!! With 24TDS Do you think Riggins was comming out of the frigging game in the red zone on 3rd down
Beast Mode , Frank Gore , Adrian Peterson ever see them tapping out every couple plays and they all had as heavy work load as Zeke .

Eric Dickerson had a work load of close to and over 400 carries from 83 to 88 he didnt tap out Why because they have heart and are HOF players not some SOFT ENTITLED guy holding out in Cabo unprepared for the season and big moments . The men I spoke of thrived on big moments thats how there careers were built not trying to avoid them .

Blackrain · Dec 7, 2019

Maybe I am way off base but I was expecting Zeke with this Oline to have a career similar to L. T. of the Chargers about 340 carries per yr 1300 -1400 yrds and around 15 tds per yr for about 8yrs then start to tail off . It looks very much like its tailing off early

cwbyfn88 · Dec 7, 2019

Blackrain said:
On third and 4 on the 24 why was Zeke the guy we just paid a fortune out of the game . Why was some scrub who never plays the intended target on such an important play and why was he unprepared .

We came away with no points on that possession because our kicker missed again but should have been able to drive in for a TD if Zeke was in shape enough to play instead of on the sideline .

This possession changed the game IMO and sealed Garretts fate with another coaching error in a big moment

He took himself out for a breather. Money down the drain

gimmesix · Dec 7, 2019

Blackrain said:
Maybe I am way off base but I was expecting Zeke with this Oline to have a career similar to L. T. of the Chargers about 340 carries per yr 1300 -1400 yrds and around 15 tds per yr for about 8yrs then start to tail off . It looks very much like its tailing off early

He's at 1,071 yards with three games left, so it's feasible for him to end up with 1,300 for the season with around 300 carries. He's at nine TDs, so he won't get to 15, but he'll likely end up in double digits.

The two seasons he's played all 16 games, he's rushed for 1,400 yards or more, so the comparison between those is pretty close right now. Elliott is averaging 4.6 yards for his career. Tomlinson averaged 4.3. He did have two seasons over 5 yards per carry while Elliott has had one, but he also had five seasons under 4 yards per carry while Elliott has none. Three of those came on the back end of his career, the other two were his first and fourth years.

Tomlinson is probably actually a good comparison of what the expectations should be for Elliott since most fans aren't very realistic when it comes to their own players. They expect them to do things that no other player has been able to do in their careers such as lead the league at their position every year.

Blackrain · Dec 7, 2019

gimmesix said:
He's at 1,071 yards with three games left, so it's feasible for him to end up with 1,300 for the season with around 300 carries. He's at nine TDs, so he won't get to 15, but he'll likely end up in double digits.

The two seasons he's played all 16 games, he's rushed for 1,400 yards or more, so the comparison between those is pretty close right now. Elliott is averaging 4.6 yards for his career. Tomlinson averaged 4.3. He did have two seasons over 5 yards per carry while Elliott has had one, but he also had five seasons under 4 yards per carry while Elliott has none. Three of those came on the back end of his career, the other two were his first and fourth years.

Tomlinson is probably actually a good comparison of what the expectations should be for Elliott since most fans aren't very realistic when it comes to their own players. They expect them to do things that no other player has been able to do in their careers such as lead the league at their position every year.

I had hoped we would get 8 good yrs like that out of him barring injury . I wish he had an older guy on the team to mentor him and get his work ethic squared away before it slips to the point he gets really hurt and there is no coming back

JBond · Dec 7, 2019

jazzcat22 said:
Agree.
But fans don't want to hear logic. It doesn't fit their agenda.

3 runs of 20+ this year.
11 last year.
15 rookie year.
Hmm...

AbeBeta · Dec 7, 2019

Blackrain said:
About 1to 1 it looks like . This guy needs to start a wrestling career he taps out so much Sheesh

He played all but one snap Thursday.

He taps out so much? Sheesh.

cowboy_ron · Dec 7, 2019

We run a generic, non opponent specific game plan.........good DC's know this.....they know Everytime when Zeke is going to get the ball.

gimmesix · Dec 7, 2019

Blackrain said:
I had hoped we would get 8 good yrs like that out of him barring injury . I wish he had an older guy on the team to mentor him and get his work ethic squared away before it slips to the point he gets really hurt and there is no coming back

I think we will get around that, but we've got to get a coach in here who doesn't just want to pound him into the line when run is expected. Garrett's scheme doesn't do Elliott any favors.

nightrain · Dec 7, 2019

visionary said:
thats the “perfect call” if you have practiced it enough again and again to the point where everyone knows exactly what needs to happen because it is 4th down

this is on the coaches

the FB and QB were not on the same page so it was clearly not practiced enough to have been called

Mental mistakes happen. The play was obviously part of the game-plan. What's the over/under on the "again and again" threshold to run a play in a game?

Blackrain · Dec 7, 2019

gimmesix said:
I think we will get around that, but we've got to get a coach in here who doesn't just want to pound him into the line when run is expected. Garrett's scheme doesn't do Elliott any favors.

Agreed its getting very depressing watching Garrett wast great players careers . Very glad Ware got out of here and did something before his was over

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