My Thoughts New Coaching Staff

xwalker · Dec 11, 2019

I think my preference is:

HC: Urban Meyer

DC: Maybe a veteran NFL DC (Ron Rivera...).
Somebody that can run a Hybrid 4-3 & 3-4 would be great but it has to be fundamentally sound, not that mess Rob Ryan tried to run. The Pats run a hybrid but switch back and forth on their base over the years based on their roster and possibly on how offenses are trending. They changed their base 4-3 in the Super Bowl to counter the specifics of the Rams blocking scheme. They've gone back to more 3-4 this year on 1st downs and short yardage but other downs are a hybrid.

OC: Meyer's choice from the college ranks. If his preferred choices are not available I think Kellen Moore with an HC like Meyer can become a good OC. I'm near-100% certain that Moore will be a top OC someday, somewhere but he needed a better HC as a rookie OC.

OL Coach: An extremely critical hire unless the new OC (like Shannahan in SF) is a master of OL schemes (specifically the ZBS). Columbo is good at coaching individual technique but he played in a man blocking scheme and is now trying to coach the ZBS.

If a new Head Coach just takes over the existing coaching staff, then it will likely fail.

AbeBeta · Dec 11, 2019

I'm betting Rivera is getting a HC job somewhere. Cleveland seems a good landing spot for him

CouchCoach · Dec 11, 2019

I don't think Rivera is going for a DC gig anymore than Riley would an OC one.

I am OK with Meyer but depending on the O and D he wants to run, I want his choice for all of the coaches. One reason I lean toward him is his total balance of O to D at FL and OSU.

I would be OK with Rivera because he's coached a team with a Tier 2 QB and relied on a strong D.

I think Riley is a one trick pony and coaches in the Big 12 where that can work.

CouchCoach · Dec 11, 2019

AbeBeta said:
I'm betting Rivera is getting a HC job somewhere. Cleveland seems a good landing spot for him

Wouldn't be surprised if Garrett doesn't land with NYG that Rivera ends up there to fix that D.

Fletch · Dec 11, 2019

AbeBeta said:
I'm betting Rivera is getting a HC job somewhere. Cleveland seems a good landing spot for him

I think McCarthy will land the Brownies job.

Fletch · Dec 11, 2019

CouchCoach said:
I don't think Rivera is going for a DC gig anymore than Riley would an OC one.

I am OK with Meyer but depending on the O and D he wants to run, I want his choice for all of the coaches. One reason I lean toward him is his total balance of O to D at FL and OSU.

I would be OK with Rivera because he's coached a team with a Tier 2 QB and relied on a strong D.

I think Riley is a one trick pony and coaches in the Big 12 where that can work.

That’s my biggest fear with Riley as well. All offense and will need a big time DC to scheme our defense kind of like HC McVay and DC Phillips with the Rams.

AbeBeta · Dec 11, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Wouldn't be surprised if Garrett doesn't land with NYG that Rivera ends up there to fix that D.

Rivera likely doesn't take a DC job unless it is somewhere he really wants to be. He's got kids and is owed like 8 million on his contract for 2020 by the Panthers. Could easily see him take a year.

Also, don't really see how a two-time NFL coach of the year who got his team to the Super Bowl is going to be working for a less accomplished HC.

LatinMind · Dec 11, 2019

AbeBeta said:
Rivera likely doesn't take a DC job unless it is somewhere he really wants to be. He's got kids and is owed like 8 million on his contract for 2020 by the Panthers. Could easily see him take a year.

Also, don't really see how a two-time NFL coach of the year who got his team to the Super Bowl is going to be working for a less accomplished HC.

When youre fired you rarely get a crack at another HC job right away.

Ranching · Dec 11, 2019

xwalker said:
I think my preference is:

HC: Urban Meyer

DC: Maybe a veteran NFL DC (Ron Rivera...).
Somebody that can run a Hybrid 4-3 & 3-4 would be great but it has to be fundamentally sound, not that mess Rob Ryan tried to run. The Pats run a hybrid but switch back and forth on their base over the years based on their roster and possibly on how offenses are trending. They changed their base 4-3 in the Super Bowl to counter the specifics of the Rams blocking scheme. They've gone back to more 3-4 this year on 1st downs and short yardage but other downs are a hybrid.

OC: Meyer's choice from the college ranks. If his preferred choices are not available I think Kellen Moore with an HC like Meyer can become a good OC. I'm near-100% certain that Moore will be a top OC someday, somewhere but he needed a better HC as a rookie OC.

OL Coach: An extremely critical hire unless the new OC (like Shannahan in SF) is a master of OL schemes (specifically the ZBS). Columbo is good at coaching individual technique but he played in a man blocking scheme and is now trying to coach the ZBS.

If a new Head Coach just takes over the existing coaching staff, then it will likely fail.

Wow! What a stretch......genius!!

AbeBeta · Dec 11, 2019

Fletch said:
I think McCarthy will land the Brownies job.

They didn't interview him last year despite interviewing like 7 or 8 candidates. They have a number of high ranking front office people who worked with McCarthy before and no one was lobbying for him last year. Hard to believe anything happened to change that.

TheCoolFan · Dec 11, 2019

I don't think Urban Meyer takes the job unless Jerry gives him permission to hire his own staff. And I believe it's trending that way with any HC they hire, considering this current staff of 1-year rentals they put together for Garrett's lameduck season.

CouchCoach · Dec 11, 2019

LatinMind said:
When youre fired you rarely get a crack at another HC job right away.

John Fox CAR 2002-2010, DEN 2011-2014, CHI 2015-2017. Career regular season and playoff .500 HC.

MikeB80 · Dec 11, 2019

Kind of funny how all of a sudden everyone's favorite coach of all the available people is the exact guy who is on tv talking about coming here.

Weird. Group think is very weird.

and uhh Why on earth would Ron Rivera come here to be meyers DC? He is an accomplished position/coordinator and head coach. Jerry has already turned him down once after interviewing him. Why would he want to be in this situation. It makes zero sense.

LucaBrasi · Dec 11, 2019

Urban looked on the verge of a nervous breakdown losing 1-2 games per year, wonder how he’ll adapt to losing 6-10 per year with these dogs

AbeBeta · Dec 11, 2019

LatinMind said:
When youre fired you rarely get a crack at another HC job right away.

This isn't someone who lasted 2 years in his first HC job. He's taken a team to the Super Bowl and won coach of the year twice.

Coaches of this stature don't routinely come free - often those that don't get another job immediately choose to take a year off as they are still getting their HC salary.

MikeB80 · Dec 11, 2019

CouchCoach said:
John Fox CAR 2002-2010, DEN 2011-2014, CHI 2015-2017. Career regular season and playoff .500 HC.

This is completely lazy narrowing John Fox down to a .500 coach

He took two teams to the superbowl and was mainly responsible for the Giants Super bowl appearance in 2000.

So yea he earned his opportunities.

Hawkeye0202 · Dec 11, 2019

xwalker said:
I think my preference is:

HC: Urban Meyer

DC: Maybe a veteran NFL DC (Ron Rivera...).
Somebody that can run a Hybrid 4-3 & 3-4 would be great but it has to be fundamentally sound, not that mess Rob Ryan tried to run. The Pats run a hybrid but switch back and forth on their base over the years based on their roster and possibly on how offenses are trending. They changed their base 4-3 in the Super Bowl to counter the specifics of the Rams blocking scheme. They've gone back to more 3-4 this year on 1st downs and short yardage but other downs are a hybrid.

OC: Meyer's choice from the college ranks. If his preferred choices are not available I think Kellen Moore with an HC like Meyer can become a good OC. I'm near-100% certain that Moore will be a top OC someday, somewhere but he needed a better HC as a rookie OC.

OL Coach: An extremely critical hire unless the new OC (like Shannahan in SF) is a master of OL schemes (specifically the ZBS). Columbo is good at coaching individual technique but he played in a man blocking scheme and is now trying to coach the ZBS.

If a new Head Coach just takes over the existing coaching staff, then it will likely fail.

HC....agree 1000%

OC.....No problem Meyers keeping Moore. In fact, It would not surprise me at all if Jerry makes retaining Kitna and Moore a condition of the new coach.
DC......I'm going outside the box and suggest Steve Belichick IF Bill gives approval that he's ready. What I like about this hire is he'll have his dad's ear EVERY NIGHT AND AFTER EVERY GAME.
OL......I'd bring Bill Callahan back....

LatinMind · Dec 11, 2019

AbeBeta said:
This isn't someone who lasted 2 years in his first HC job. He's taken a team to the Super Bowl and won coach of the year twice.

Coaches of this stature don't routinely come free - often those that don't get another job immediately choose to take a year off as they are still getting their HC salary.

He could very well get a HC job, but the way the NFL is going, most of the HC jobs are going to younger guys now. Just the trend thats going.

AbeBeta · Dec 11, 2019

LatinMind said:
He could very well get a HC job, but the way the NFL is going, most of the HC jobs are going to younger guys now. Just the trend thats going.

The Jets literally just hired a guy who was just fired.

And I think you'd be hard pressed to call Bruce Arians and Vic Fangio "younger guys."

Also, Kingsbury, Taylor, Kitchens, and Flores are a combined 12-38-1. Lafluer is the only young coach with a winning record/

The trend is clearly not producing results this year.

LatinMind · Dec 11, 2019

AbeBeta said:
The Jets literally just hired a guy who was just fired.

And I think you'd be hard pressed to call Bruce Arians and Vic Fangio "younger guys."

Also, Kingsbury, Taylor, Kitchens, and Flores are a combined 12-38-1. Lafluer is the only young coach with a winning record/

The trend is clearly not producing results this year.

Doesnt matter what their records are, the fact is the trend is going towards younger guys.

Look at this yr the hottest coaches will be guys like

Eric Bieniemy
Dan Campbell
Brian Daboll
Matt Eberflus
Mike Lafleur
Josh McDaniels
Robert Saleh

Only 1 has been a HC and only for 2 yrs.

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