Jesse Holley: Wade Phillip was sabotaged

risco · Dec 14, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
I know this topic was discussed before.
But On “hangin with the boys” Jesse Holley mentioned it again.

he said he believes Wade was sabotaged by Garrett and that Jesse knows they received a new offensive playbook after Wade was fired and beforehand they were running more vanilla
Plays and schemes.

I just thought it was an interesting nugget from the podcast yesterday.

What are you , they talking? This sounds crazy since the same types plays are being run now, the present!

Stash · Dec 14, 2019

erod said:
Garrett's offense outperformed Wade's defense in those days.

Especially after he got Wade fired. Somehow, Garrett's offense, which you defenders claim didn't change, scored 20 points a game while Wade was still here, and 29 points a game after Wade was fired.

But I'm sure that was 'mere conincidence' as well and doesn't validate what Holley and others have said, right?

Gaede · Dec 14, 2019

Garrett didn't sabotage Wade, at least not on purpose.

Jerry sabotaged Wade by hiring Garrett first. He was champing at the bit to give him the head coaching job from day 1.

kskboys · Dec 14, 2019

Ultra silly idea.

ABQCOWBOY · Dec 14, 2019

There is no question in my mind, and I have posted this many time on this board, Garrett absolutely did set Phillips up. Whats more, I am pretty certain Jerry knew it. Go back and look at that season. We lost a lot of games late with our Defense gassed at the end of games. Watch the play calling in the first 8 games vs the last 8 games. We threw the ball way more times in the first half of the season then we ran it. After Garrett took over, the Offense went from 50 throws a game to balance between run and pass. This is what won games. All of a sudden, we weren't playing with a defense that had nothing left in the 4th quarter because they were getting time to rest between possessions. Shortened the game and reduced mistakes on both sides of the ball. Our OL at the time was much better suited to run blocking so it all made sense. That's why we improved. No doubt in my mind that Garrett did that. Remember, Jerry made the decision that Garrett would have control over the Offense and Philips would have the Defense. Go back and check out the numbers for yourselves.

lqmac1 · Dec 14, 2019

That 13-3 team was Bill Parcells team and WP and JG enjoyed the fruits of that labor.

PA Cowboy Fan · Dec 14, 2019

lqmac1 said:
That 13-3 team was Bill Parcells team and WP and JG enjoyed the fruits of that labor.

No doubt in my mind that we at least play for a championship if Bill was coach that year.

Alexander · Dec 14, 2019

erod said:
Garrett's offense outperformed Wade's defense in those days.

Not completely true.

Phillips' 2009 unit registered five games where they allowed single digit scoring including two shutouts to ice the season and get the team into the playoffs. People would throw a parade for Marinelli and Richard if they even did anything close to that.

Garrett had ups and downs after Sparano was not around to hold his hand.

ABQCOWBOY · Dec 14, 2019

lqmac1 said:
That 13-3 team was Bill Parcells team and WP and JG enjoyed the fruits of that labor.

I'm liking that Avi Iqmac1. That's cool!

cowboy_ron · Dec 14, 2019

CyberB0b said:
It probably wasn't intentional, he was just that bad of an OC.

Unlike Garrett?

TheMarathonContinues · Dec 14, 2019

stasheroo said:
But at least Wade could effectively coach half of a team. The defense. Still half more than Garrett ever could.

Well that’s the thing. The defense is what gave up. His unit completely gave up on him. The one unit that should’ve still been at least decent got torched by David Garrard.

ABQCOWBOY · Dec 14, 2019

rocyaice said:
Well that’s the thing. The defense is what gave up. His unit completely gave up on him. The one unit that should’ve still been at least decent got torched by David Garrard.

Yeah, but that's self fulfilling though. I mean, if you know the Owner has given Garrett a job as OC after having only been in the NFL for two years, one as the Quality Control Coach and one has the QB Coach and he lands OC for the Cowboys...... If you know that the OC was hired before the HC was and you know that the HC was not allowed to hire his own staff....... If you are an NFL player and lets be honest, these guys aren't stupid, they know what wins games and what losses games, and you see the Owner give control of the Offense to Garrett and not make him answer to the HC...... If you know that you are throwing the ball way too many times and it's not helping the defense and still the HC can't do anything to change it up....... If you are a player and you know all of this then you read the writing on the wall. You know it's Garrett in and Phillips out. The defense got torched by David Garrard? When did that happen? I think Garrard played for the Jags his entire career and I don't recall the Cowboys playing the Jags that year. Did that really happen?

Kaiser · Dec 14, 2019

dallasfan4lizife said:
Nah, Garrett just sucked at OC. No sabotage.

I was berated relentlessly, called names, even bullied for this opinion by @Hostile, and the Mods enabled his atrocious attitude on this forum....

Ended up being right a decade before all of them...I’ll accept an apology now.

If Garrett was an incompetent HC, it doesn't take a decade of winning teams to figure that out.

Kaiser · Dec 14, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
We lost a lot of games late with our Defense gassed at the end of games. Watch the play calling in the first 8 games vs the last 8 games. We threw the ball way more times in the first half of the season then we ran it. After Garrett took over, the Offense went from 50 throws a game to balance between run and pass. This is what won games.

If you go 1-7 with a talented team, you get fired. Everyone down to water boys know that. And if the scenario was Garrett intentionally tanking the offense, Wade deserved to be fired for not recognizing it and addressing the issue.

ABQCOWBOY · Dec 14, 2019

Kaiser said:
If you go 1-7 with a talented team, you get fired. Everyone down to water boys know that. And if the scenario was Garrett intentionally tanking the offense, Wade deserved to be fired for not recognizing it and addressing the issue.

Exactly how does he address the issue? Garrett was not answerable to Phillips. So what do you do to address the issue in that situation? The only answer is not take the job to begin with but then, where does that put you? This wasn't on Wade, other then to say that he never should have taken the job to start with.

This is why I believe that Jerry knew exactly what was going on here. You don't create this situation unless you have a plan to remove Phillips.

85Cowboy85 · Dec 14, 2019

This is as inane as the "Garrett stole the playcalling from Moore" conspiracy theories.

Kaiser · Dec 14, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
Exactly how does he address the issue? Garrett was not answerable to Phillips. So what do you do to address the issue in that situation? The only answer is not take the job to begin with but then, where does that put you? This wasn't on Wade, other then to say that he never should have taken the job to start with.

First, I don't buy that Garrett was completely autonomous of Wade and didn't answer to him in any way. Whatever people think of Jerry, its not run like a High School team.

Second, whatever his faults Jerry hates to lose. The idea that Wade couldn't go to him and say "Hey, we are 1-6 and the issue is the OC" without any consequences is completely made up.

85Cowboy85 · Dec 14, 2019

Kaiser said:
The whole team quit under Wade Phillips and went 1-7. His training camps were so easy they were called "Camp Cupcake".

That isn't about the playbook.

That was mostly media narrative IMO. Players never seemed to think it was "Camp Cupcake" when they were interviewed about it and I've never heard one even after the fact state that Phillip's training camps were easy.

Kaiser · Dec 14, 2019

nickjamesw43 said:
This is as inane as the "Garrett stole the playcalling from Moore" conspiracy theories.

No, the best one is "Dallas has the second best offense in the NFL even though Kellen Moore is still using the same hand signals he used at Boise State.... but only one team has figured that out".

That's my favorite.

ABQCOWBOY · Dec 14, 2019

Kaiser said:
First, I don't buy that Garrett was completely autonomous of Wade and didn't answer to him in any way. Whatever people think of Jerry, its not run like a High School team.

Second, whatever his faults Jerry hates to lose. The idea that Wade couldn't go to him and say "Hey, we are 1-6 and the issue is the OC" without any consequences is completely made up.

Well, it's a fact that Garrett ran the Offense and had complete control of that. It's a fact that Phillips could not fire Garrett so what control do you think Phillips might have had over Garrett?

Jesse Holley: Wade Phillip was sabotaged

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