Jerry is having more meetings with Garrett then Garrett has playoff wins

Stash · Jan 2, 2020

DallasEast said:
^ This. Some people get it.

Jerry Jones is constantly bombarded by criticism that he does not know enough of what he is doing as a general manager. Has been getting it for years.

He has not been put on blast often (thanks media guys ) but he does see and hear it enough (thanks Aikman ) that he is not clueless of how others perceive his job performance.

So, what does Jones do typically? He doubles, triples, quadruples down on doing it his way. Sure, he has advisors. Allows them to adopt and follow his vision of what winning football should look like.

That is his major flaw. Jones constantly denies and pushes back on getting truly different perspective from outside opinion. Opinion from qualified sources. Opinion from people with fresh perspective.

It should have been his downfall decades ago. Jones is also the owner though. So he gives himself do-overs that he ‘knows’ are perfectly okay because he IS the owner.

He is who he is.

And he throws in the occasional "starts with me" platitudes that ultimately mean nothing as well.

Jones reminds me of many that gain power, influence, and celebrity. They reach a point where they're essentially surrounded by sycophants and 'yes men', who will do and say whatever they want to hear. Because if they didn't, they'd simply be replaced by someone who would. And cut off from the money.

Look at people like Michael Jackson and Prince. Surrounded by people who would give them whatever they wanted, and we know how those stories ended.

LifetimeBoysFan · Jan 2, 2020

SultanOfSix said:
Garrett is like Tommy Boy—hired due to nepotism—except without finding out he had the skillset to do the job.

He may just wear his HOF jacket for Stephen and sing to him ala Tommy Boy to Richard “Senile guy in a yellow coat.”

Stash · Jan 2, 2020

GMO415 said:
It's obvious Garrett is going upstairs.

Failing upwards. Only the Cowboys.
:facepalm:

LifetimeBoysFan · Jan 2, 2020

stasheroo said:
And he throws in the occasional "starts with me" platitudes that ultimately mean nothing as well.

Jones reminds me of many that gain power, influence, and celebrity. They reach a point where they're essentially surrounded by sycophants and 'yes men', who will do and say whatever they want to hear. Because if they didn't, they'd simply be replaced by someone who would. And cut off from the money.

Look at people like Michael Jackson and Prince. Surrounded by people who would give them whatever they wanted, and we know how those stories ended.

I will add that I feel like the fact that Jerry went into the HOF before Jimmy also makes him feel even more validated about running him off and his abilities as GM. The lack of recognition that he’s not as responsible for the success they achieved is the same fuel that drives his insanity. He appreciates humility in others but has none for himself. He may talk a good game about running the team, but he is Rico Gathers when it comes to playing it. All hype, no substance.

cowboy_ron · Jan 2, 2020

It takes time to explain the importance of having a good puppet inside the office, to get the coffee, order the pizza, etc after all it's a meaningful position that I think Jason could possibly excel at in time.

Sydla · Jan 2, 2020

Risen Star said:
Jerry just doesn't want another team benefitting from their investment in Garrett.

It makes sense. If you're bat crap crazy.

Yep.

As I said, this isn't about the franchise or the fans or the players............. it's about Jerry. That's all this is about. Jerry thinks his guidance and investment in Garrett will (or has to) result in success. And it would soul crushing if Garrett went off to another team and won somewhere else. It would actually be a pretty big indictment of how Jerry is the one ruining the franchise if Garrett could succeed elsewhere.

The longer this goes on, the more likely I think they are hatching a plan to bring him back as HC. New staff, maybe they'll spend more in FA to try to cover Garrett's shortcomings, etc. These multiple meetings could simply be Jerry asking Garrett to draw up a plan going forward and what Garrett needs/wants in order to win.

MyFairLady · Jan 2, 2020

When you have no general manager this is what happens. The general manager of a team has a job and it is to be prepared and have plans of what will be done. We have a dysfunctional senile alcoholic at the helm just winging it one day at a time. We are a mess people. There is no way out.

Chocolate Lab · Jan 2, 2020

GMO415 said:
It's obvious Garrett is going upstairs.

No one fails his way to the top like Jason Garrett.

Birch_Wood · Jan 2, 2020

stasheroo said:
It's quite incredible to watch a guy who's team has failed for the past 25 years still act like he knows what he's doing. To still do whatever he feels like whenever he feels like it, while the on-field product stinks. To fail to adhere to the standard practices of the team that are succeeding and are winning. To do things on his terms, and his timing, no matter the mountains of evidence proving it's not working.

It is fascinating to watch. It's like an auto accident you can't look away, but you know you should.

charron · Jan 2, 2020

rockj7 said:
Crazy. 3 meetings to get rid of a coach with 2 playoff wins. We are paying for all the joy we had in the 90s as a Cowboys fans

and maybe he'll hire a guy with zero NFL playoff wins or just zero nfl wins period.

silvrNblue · Jan 2, 2020

Bobhaze said:
Jerry fires Tom Landry in 5 min on a golf course. Yet somehow he can’t bring himself to ax the guy who took us to the playoffs 3 times in 9 years.

Bob, correct me if I am wrong here, but didn't jerrah "fire" or agree to disagree with Jimmy right AFTER winning his 2nd SB??? Wasn't it done in the same hotel they stayed in? Yet here we are, JJ needing his depends changed out on the hour pissing over a jerk wad the likes of clap... :facepalm:

BermyStar · Jan 2, 2020

DallasEast said:
^ This. Some people get it.

Jerry Jones is constantly bombarded by criticism that he does not know enough of what he is doing as a general manager. Has been getting it for years.

He has not been put on blast often (thanks media guys ) but he does see and hear it enough (thanks Aikman ) that he is not clueless of how others perceive his job performance.

So, what does Jones do typically? He doubles, triples, quadruples down on doing it his way. Sure, he has advisors. Allows them to adopt and follow his vision of what winning football should look like.

That is his major flaw. Jones constantly denies and pushes back on getting truly different perspective from outside opinion. Opinion from qualified sources. Opinion from people with fresh perspective.

It should have been his downfall decades ago. Jones is also the owner though. So he gives himself do-overs that he ‘knows’ are perfectly okay because he IS the owner.

He is who he is.

This x 100. I'll wait for the news once it's all done. Nothing, and I mean nothing would surprise me with JJ. I can't drive myself crazy trying to figure out what Jerry is doing. Some are praised for playing chess as opposed to checkers. Jerry plays neither, he makes up the rules as he goes along and then tells you to follow them, and when they no longer suit him he changes them again and you have to comply.

DallasEast · Jan 2, 2020

stasheroo said:
And he throws in the occasional "starts with me" platitudes that ultimately mean nothing as well.

Jones reminds me of many that gain power, influence, and celebrity. They reach a point where they're essentially surrounded by sycophants and 'yes men', who will do and say whatever they want to hear. Because if they didn't, they'd simply be replaced by someone who would. And cut off from the money.

Look at people like Michael Jackson and Prince. Surrounded by people who would give them whatever they wanted, and we know how those stories ended.

I mostly agree but there is a discernible difference between the other celebrities and Jones. Jackson and Prince’s occupations were completely dependent on their talent. Subtract their singing and performing abilities and their careers would have ground to a halt.

On the other hand, Jones is an executive of a multifaceted billion(s) dollar organization. Jones thinks and defends his right to remain as general manager despite the practical option of hiring fresh qualified football management ideology.

Jones wants others to accept he is just like Jackson, Prince or anyone else who are highly successful because of their singular talent but that is not the case. It has never been true. His mentality prevents him from accepting the truth.

His steadfast inflexibility is both his greatest weakness and his franchise fans’ biggest frustration. And his 30-year intractability can be easily attributable to narcissism. His three decade long static stance certainly goes WAY beyond simplified concepts of greed and ego.

morat1959 · Jan 2, 2020

rockj7 said:
Crazy. 3 meetings to get rid of a coach with 2 playoff wins. We are paying for all the joy we had in the 90s as a Cowboys fans

Excellent post! Let this sink in! Freakin circus with JJ as the ring master and the clapper as the head clown.

Stash · Jan 2, 2020

DallasEast said:
I mostly agree but there is a discernible difference between the other celebrities and Jones. Jackson and Prince’s occupations were completely dependent on their talent. Subtract their singing and performing abilities and their careers would have ground to a halt.

On the other hand, Jones is an executive of a multifaceted billion(s) dollar organization. Jones thinks and defends his right to remain as general manager despite the practical option of hiring fresh qualified football management ideology.

Jones wants others to accept he is just like Jackson, Prince or anyone else who are highly successful because of their singular talent but that is not the case. It has never been true. His mentality prevents him from accepting the truth.

His steadfast inflexibility is both his greatest weakness and his franchise fans’ biggest frustration. And his 30-year intractability can be easily attributable to narcissism. His three decade long static stance certainly goes WAY beyond simplified concepts of greed and ego.

But, like them, Jones now resides in an 'untouchable' position of power and influence. Virtually nothing he could do can take him out of that position. In the NFL, and with this team, he can't lose. He hasn't won in 25 years, and the money continues to pour in.

Fmart322 · Jan 2, 2020

rockj7 said:
Crazy. 3 meetings to get rid of a coach with 2 playoff wins. We are paying for all the joy we had in the 90s as a Cowboys fans

I feel bad for the fans who didn't get to enjoy those teams. They're paying for services they never received.

Redline360 · Jan 2, 2020

Jerry just wants to hold Garrets hand in the press box. Lovely couple

CT Dal Fan · Jan 2, 2020

It's clear to me now the Cowboys are just going to wait for Garrett's contract to expire on January 14 so Jones doesn't have to fire him.

However, waiting like this also tells me there has to be a plan already in place. I think..... I hope.

wrongway · Jan 2, 2020

Bobhaze said:
Jerry fires Tom Landry in 5 min on a golf course. Yet somehow he can’t bring himself to ax the guy who took us to the playoffs 3 times in 9 years.

Defies belief

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