Now we know why no quality HC is coming here

GORICO said:

red-ball-- i am not kidding here...and i know this sounds crazy...but the way our country is changing Jerry may just piss the wrong fan off too much and he gets assassinated...wierder things have happened?

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Oh my..

Yeah..

Sometimes things need to be put in the proper context.

Professional sports is not anything more than ENTERTAINMENT.

It is escapism and holding on to negative feelings for losing gets away from the whole reason to watch TV.

Hmmmm...

Redball Express said:

Oh my..

Yeah..

Sometimes things need to be put in the proper context.

Professional sports is not anything more than ENTERTAINMENT.

It is escapism and holding on to negative feelings for losing gets away from the whole reason to watch TV.

Hmmmm...

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Redball--i totally agree with how you are reasoning....but we have a new generation that can appear void of such reason...just saying...i know it sounds off the wall

Redball Express said:

Finally something that makes sense about what is wrong in Dallas.

Clearly its Jerrah pulling strings and over ruling his coaches.

I was wondering when Moore was going to get his share of the rightful blame.

So coach Jerrah can just roll up his pants and wade into the swamp he created.

Back when it was announced Moore was the OC..

I was stunned like many of us that such an inexperienced playcaller would lead the team post Linehan.

I agree with Garrett's reported complaint that he and he alone should have complete control of the offense to decide his future.

This was a decision if I was Garrett would make me want out of the organization.

There is just too much rear seat coaching going on with Jerrah.

Parcells got the similar overrule attitude from Jerrah when Jerrah signed TO when Parcells did not want him.

TO was signed anyway.

This is crazy.

How do we get a good coach here to coach if he knows Jerrah reserves the right to do this?

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If Garrett is truly done I don't think we will have a problem getting a strong coach. If Jerry again tries to insert himself into said coaches business then we will likely see the fall out. The problem will be retaining the coach they hire, after Jerry pulls his shenanigans. All we can do is hope Jerry has learned he must hire a formidable coach and let that coach do his damn job.

I think Jerry was more involved with Garrett because he believed Garrett needed the help. Still he hung on to his "coach in training" only to realize that day would never come.

Please dont think Im trying to justify Jerrys actions. Jerry should've fired Garrett when he realized he couldn't handle the job.

Redball Express said:

Finally something that makes sense about what is wrong in Dallas.

Clearly its Jerrah pulling strings and over ruling his coaches.

I was wondering when Moore was going to get his share of the rightful blame.

So coach Jerrah can just roll up his pants and wade into the swamp he created.

Back when it was announced Moore was the OC..

I was stunned like many of us that such an inexperienced playcaller would lead the team post Linehan.

I agree with Garrett's reported complaint that he and he alone should have complete control of the offense to decide his future.

This was a decision if I was Garrett would make me want out of the organization.

There is just too much rear seat coaching going on with Jerrah.

Parcells got the similar overrule attitude from Jerrah when Jerrah signed TO when Parcells did not want him.

TO was signed anyway.

This is crazy.

How do we get a good coach here to coach if he knows Jerrah reserves the right to do this?

Comments?

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I wouldn't want to take a job if I was responsible for a staff but constantly undermined and shown up by the CEO. You'd get all the blame for failure and no credit for success.

If I was a head coach I wouldn't want that scenario. 6 million a year could pacify me tho.

I would rather Kellen Moore be made the coach then have Jason Garrett back. Garrett adds VERY little value to the organization from the outside looking in.

As a head coach, you should prepare your team and build a game plan that puts your players in the best position to lead. That's how ANY leader of ANY organization would look to build a successful organization. I believe Garrett is philosophically opposed to that method of leadership. He just wants guys to line up and out talent the guy across from them.. That is why we consistently have more talented teams that come up short against inferior talent and teams.

Redball Express said:

This is crazy.

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The only thing crazy is what you typed. You make no sense. You are just venting to vent. As soon as Jerry hires a quality coach, what will you say?

Redball Express said:

Finally something that makes sense about what is wrong in Dallas.

Clearly its Jerrah pulling strings and over ruling his coaches.

I was wondering when Moore was going to get his share of the rightful blame.

So coach Jerrah can just roll up his pants and wade into the swamp he created.

Back when it was announced Moore was the OC..

I was stunned like many of us that such an inexperienced playcaller would lead the team post Linehan.

I agree with Garrett's reported complaint that he and he alone should have complete control of the offense to decide his future.

This was a decision if I was Garrett would make me want out of the organization.

There is just too much rear seat coaching going on with Jerrah.

Parcells got the similar overrule attitude from Jerrah when Jerrah signed TO when Parcells did not want him.

TO was signed anyway.

This is crazy.

How do we get a good coach here to coach if he knows Jerrah reserves the right to do this?

Comments?

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LOL...……..this was told to many of you when it happened. Garrett fought giving up play calling and was forced to let guys like Lihehan call plays. Garrett was stripped of the duty because he was horrid at it. Moore was promoted at Jerry's request and it was far from Garretts idea.

We all remember Garrett getting caught saying "no major coaching changes".

THANK GOD that Moore was promoted. Cowboys moved the ball all over the place this year. 5th ranked offense in yards in the history of the NFL.

Offense wasn't the issue. Horrid special teams and a defense that rarely put the offense in short fields was the problem. Along with horrid coaching overall.

Offense would have to drive 80 yards for nearly EVERY score. How many missed FG's?

Playing for field position was just ONE other aspect of game management that Garrett never learned or understood.

Moore in his rookie campaign was head and shoulders better then Garrett was on his best day. LOL

GORICO said:

Redball--i totally agree with how you are reasoning....but we have a new generation that can appear void of such reason...just saying...i know it sounds off the wall

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We good.

Points are agreed upon.

Thanx.

Oh..and stop pointing out about the generation gaps.

You depressing me.

You remind me when I shave in the morning..

I look in the mirror and see my father.

MORNING POP.

Can't help it. I look like him now.

Never would have thought that possible 50 years ago.

But I always saw the resemblance b/w my dad and his dad and me.

As a 10 year old I would watch with fascination as my grandfather would lather his beard with a soap dish and shave with straight razor.

And he would slap the razor against a leather strap..back and forth..

pluck a hair of my head and slice it in half saying..

"Perfect".

Then he would stop. My grandfather was a bit of an alcoholic and pull out the Geritol and take the cap off and pour out a shot into it and drink it after gargling it.

Then he would pour out half a tumble for me and say..

"Your turn.."

I would drink it down. Geritol was a vitamin elixir that tasted like a liquor cocktail. I do not think it is made anymore.

Hmmmm...

I quickly learned to treasure this ritual over time.

Go figure.

"Now we know why no quality coach will come here.."


Since neither you nor anyone else here knows who the next coach of the Cowboys will be the premise of this post is flawed from the get go.

flosho said:

I would rather Kellen Moore be made the coach then have Jason Garrett back. Garrett adds VERY little value to the organization from the outside looking in.

As a head coach, you should prepare your team and build a game plan that puts your players in the best position to lead. That's how ANY leader of ANY organization would look to build a successful organization. I believe Garrett is philosophically opposed to that method of leadership. He just wants guys to line up and out talent the guy across from them.. That is why we consistently have more talented teams that come up short against inferior talent and teams.

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Well, yes except that we usually do ok against inferior talent, it's the teams we are equal to on paper that have a significant advantage due to the lack of bothering with an opponent specific game plan.

Was this ever in any doubt, Jerry is too hands on, doesn't let his coaches hire their assistants and doesn't let them coach. What owner hires a guy then starts stripping duties from them because he can't handle them instead of just firing the coach?

Avery said:

It shouldn't be news to anyone that JJ has always been the puppermaster. Been like that since the Switzer days.

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It is to many, many younger fans not only on this board, but in general. They will never know Jerry like the older fans, never.

JReed1000 said:

I think its absolutely crazy that you would think no good HC wants to come here. The Team is dang near stacked. Where would you wanna coach....Cleveland or Dallas? I know Jerry is a pain but I refuse to believe any coach doesn't know the Old Man just wants 1 more Championship before he dies and will do whatever it takes for you to have the best players possible.

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neither!? both lead to disasters....in some ways Cleveland, given they have some talent to work with and no meddling from GM/Owner/President. perhaps have a better chance of succeeding, as compared to dallas where there is almost no chance of succeeding.

CowboysWillRise said:

If Garrett is truly done I don't think we will have a problem getting a strong coach. If Jerry again tries to insert himself into said coaches business then we will likely see the fall out. The problem will be retaining the coach they hire, after Jerry pulls his shenanigans. All we can do is hope Jerry has learned he must hire a formidable coach and let that coach do his damn job.

I think Jerry was more involved with Garrett because he believed Garrett needed the help. Still he hung on to his "coach in training" only to realize that day would never come.

Please dont think Im trying to justify Jerrys actions. Jerry should've fired Garrett when he realized he couldn't handle the job.

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Jerry was more involved with Switzer. jerry was more involved with Campo. jerry was more involved with Wade, jerry got involved with Parcells, Jerry was more involved with Garrett...see a trend? its just that Garrett thought he can navigate the choppy corporate structure and the dallas cowboys drama...he failed at it...

Jerry liked Garrett, because he was allowing him to be as close to a head coach on the sidelines than any other previous coach....Jerry was attending the coaches meetings!!! WTTF!

Jerry has only ever hired two good coaches since he has owned the team. Both of them got control and the last time he missed it and I doubt we go back to having a coach like the tuna.

jnday said:

Except in the red zone which loses a lot of games.

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We were a top 3 offense overall. We scored points.

And while middle of the pack we increased our redzone touchdown percentage by 15% relative to last year.

Imagine blaming the season on the guy leading a top 3 offense.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

Jerry was more involved with Switzer. jerry was more involved with Campo. jerry was more involved with Wade, jerry got involved with Parcells, Jerry was more involved with Garrett...see a trend? its just that Garrett thought he can navigate the choppy corporate structure and the dallas cowboys drama...he failed at it...

Jerry liked Garrett, because he was allowing him to be as close to a head coach on the sidelines than any other previous coach....Jerry was attending the coaches meetings!!! WTTF!

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Like I said before I dont think we will have a problem getting a talented coach. I believe the test will be keeping that coach.

Jerrys role with Garrett is still fresh, but aside from signing T.O. against Parcels wishes Id like to know how he meddled with Switzer, Campo, and Wade. I know he hired Garrett as "assistant coach" and payed him like HC during Wades tenure. Can you give me examples of the other crap he pulled on the other coaches? Im not doubting you, I just cant remember.

I think we can all agree our only hope is for him to hire a strong coach, step back and let that coach execute his vision of the team.

Another question I have is what is expected out of a GM and what is meddling? I absolutely expect my coach to be able to choose his staff. I expect the draft and talent acquisition to be a collaborative effort. Thats said you also need players to fit your scheme. Although that scheme fit crap will lead you to passing on better players.

I agree that Jerry is a control freak, & that we'll never sniff the SB until he's gone. However, your opinion that no HC wants the job couldn't be more wrong. Urban Meyer said there is only one HC job he will want in the NFL, & the initials are D.C. He's not the only one, either.

CowboysWillRise said:

Like I said before I dont think we will have a problem getting a talented coach. I believe the test will be keeping that coach.

Jerrys role with Garrett is still fresh, but aside from signing T.O. against Parcels wishes Id like to know how he meddled with Switzer, Campo, and Wade. I know he hired Garrett as "assistant coach" and payed him like HC during Wades tenure. Can you give me examples of the other crap he pulled on the other coaches? Im not doubting you, I just cant remember.

I think we can all agree our only hope is for him to hire a strong coach, step back and let that coach execute his vision of the team.

Another question I have is what is expected out of a GM and what is meddling? I absolutely expect my coach to be able to choose his staff. I expect the draft and talent acquisition to be a collaborative effort. Thats said you also need players to fit your scheme. Although that scheme fit crap will lead you to passing on better players.

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how did he meddle with switzer? he chose his entire coaching staff. Essentially that was Johnson's coaching staff that stayed behind.....he literally wanted a figure head to prove to Johnson that any of the 500 coaches can win a championship with this team...he often by passed switzer and coordinated things with Aikman and Irving and Emmitt. . subsequently he got involved in the drafts and we know that history....with campo specially, our drafts sucked and it was run by Jerry. He went and asked Aikman if he liked LaFleur and we drafted a 6'8" TE because Aikman liked him! a freaking blocking TE in the first round. he subsequently brought in Parcells because he admitted he didn't know how to run a football team...then he meddled with Parcells and the rest is history...he meddled with Wade....ahem...he hired garrett his OC before hiring Wade. he ran the draft again and we had bad drafts. after bad drafts. he made a decision to not have contact in camp because I can't remember who got hurt during practice....thus camp cupcake....and we know the history with garrett….

Jerry so desparately wants to be known as a good GM and architect of a superbowl winning team that he just can't help himself.