Super Bowl or Bust. How long does Mike get?

conner01 · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
My over /under is 2 years.

If we haven’t made a Super Bowl in 2 years he’s toast.

If we miss playoffs again could be one and done.

To me it depends on the roster
If he has a roster with the talent of last years and has the same result then one and done would be possible but jerry is not likely to do that unless there is a player revolt

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Yet your hero Garrett was here for 10 years with nothing more than a divisional round game.

Once again your ability to make a rational prediction is laughable.

And I see you are already betting against McCarthy. I guess he isn't the lovable puppet that Garrett was eh? LOL

Pathetic.

I see no reason our expectations shouldn’t be elevated with a SB experienced HC.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
I think he has until Sean Payton's contract expires. lol

But seriously, I fear that Jerry has set the bar too high b/c he thinks the team is ready now. But Jerry only looks at the stars and not the rest of the roster. Sure we have some stars, but the roster is thin. Our secondary is a mess and we are about to lose are best CB. Who knows what we have at LB after last year. The DL is soft in the middle and there is no depth at any level.

Not sure Nolan is a miracle worker.

I agree . My mandate is based on Jerry’s rhetoric along with much of the media and fans who believe this team is talented enough to make more noise in the playoffs.

This wasn’t a hire for success 3-5 years like it was with Bill needing a rebuild. And why I believe he will have a short leash from here on out whoever he hires.

PA Cowboy Fan · Jan 7, 2020

Beast_from_East said:
I thought you said you were hopeless as long as Jerry owned the team because he created such a toxic environment that no coach could succeed. That is why we were "talent dependent" as you said a million times on this board. So, why the big change all of a sudden?

Oh, I get it.........that only applied to Garrett and his laughable record.

New guy has to win and win right now because this roster is Championship caliber........LMAO

Everyone says we're championship caliber. Championship caliber teams don't play like we did this year.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

Beast_from_East said:
I thought you said you were hopeless as long as Jerry owned the team because he created such a toxic environment that no coach could succeed. That is why we were "talent dependent" as you said a million times on this board. So, why the big change all of a sudden?

Oh, I get it.........that only applied to Garrett and his laughable record.

New guy has to win and win right now because this roster is Championship caliber........LMAO

This has nothing to do with my hope. This is about placing a mandate on his tenure.

When you bring in a proven SB caliber HC with a roster Jerry and most of the media and fans feel is talented enough now to contend the Bar is elevated. We should expect immediate success.

PA Cowboy Fan · Jan 7, 2020

DakPresgoat said:
Are you that myopic that you can’t see that the only reason there was an ultimatum for this past season, is because of Garrett’s prior failures over the previous 9 seasons?

Let’s look at it this way.

If the cowboys won the super bowl in 2016. But nothing else changed. Every other season ended the same way. Do you think Jerry fires Garrett this off-season? I say no way in hell.

Again, it’s the totality of somebody’s performance.

And the fans wouldn't have been on him to get fired either.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

Beast_from_East said:
Haven't you been saying like forever that we are a "talent dependent" franchise and coaching didnt matter with this toxic environment?

Or was that just lip service to defend your boy who was such an epic failure?

That’s true when you don’t have a great HC. You and others still didn’t grasp my angle on why I supported Jason.

But now with a great SB caliber HC all of those expectations are immediately elevated.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

Beast_from_East said:
Same rules apply you say....................Garrett got 10 and won NOTHING!!!

So I think Big Mike should get at least half the time Clappy got, if we are going to be fair about it.

Like you said, same rules apply.

Mike needs 3-5 years to go further with this roster?
Lol

RD21 · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
This has nothing to do with my hope. This is about placing a mandate on his tenure.

When you bring in a proven SB caliber HC with a roster Jerry and most of the media and fans feel is talented enough now to contend the Bar is elevated. We should expect immediate success.

I too expect immediate success.

However, I don't believe our roster is as talented, as advertised. We've got some glaring weak spots. We need help on the D-line, in the secondary, & at TE for starters.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

trickblue said:
Ultimately this team will be coached by Witten...

In the mean time, McCarthy gets a few years... he has success...

I’ve heard those rumors. Wouldn’t surprise me.

OmerV · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Mike needs 3-5 years to go further with this roster?
Lol

You act like our roster is the 85 Bears or the 93 Cowboys. You're barking up a false tree on that. People think the Cowboys have a strong roster, not an overwhelming dominant one that is so talented it should blow past any other team.

Every single premise you are basing your arguments on is false, from this, to the idea that Garrett's ultimatum (if it even existed, which there is no evidence of) had nothing to do with him having had 9 years already and that the same ultimatum applies to every subsequent coach that wasn't even on the radar at the time, to the idea that a Super Bowl win is such a routine expectation that it should be a certainty for a team with a good coach and roster. On top of that, you are completely ignoring the fact that there are other teams with strong rosters and strong coaches competing for the same prize, and instead are treating it as if, if McCarthy is a strong coach, Dallas would be the only team that applies to. The goal is to be among those teams that are a true contender every season knowing that the more seasons the team has a legitimate shot to win it all, the more likely the team is to win it all.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

RD21 said:
I too expect immediate success.

However, I don't believe our roster is as talented, as advertised. We've got some glaring weak spots. We need help on the D-line, in the secondary, & at TE for starters.

I understand and agree but that’s not what the vibe is with Jerry and Son along with most of the media and fans. They believe this team is talented enough to contend now. And lesser coaching was holding it back.

So. The expectations should be higher now. No more excuses about coaching holding this talent back. I’m suspect as well about this talent but my expectations and mandate are based on what these others are setting.

RD21 · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I understand and agree but that’s not what the vibe is with Jerry and Son along with most of the media and fans. They believe this team is talented enough to contend now. And lesser coaching was holding it back.

So. The expectations should be higher now. No more excuses about coaching holding this talent back. I’m suspect as well about this talent but my expectations and mandate are based on what these others are setting.

McCarthy will take this team further than Garrett did. I have 100% confidence in that.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

OmerV said:
You act like our roster is the 85 Bears or the 93 Cowboys. You're barking up a false tree on that. People think the Cowboys have a strong roster, not an overwhelming dominant one that is so talented it should blow past any other team.

Every single premise you are basing your arguments on is false, from this, to the idea that Garrett's ultimatum (if it even existed, which there is no evidence of) had nothing to do with him having had 9 years already and that the same ultimatum applies to every subsequent coach that wasn't even on the radar at the time, to the idea that a Super Bowl win is such a routine expectation that it should be a certainty for a team with a good coach and roster. On top of that, you are completely ignoring the fact that there are other teams with strong rosters and strong coaches competing for the same prize, and instead are treating it as if McCarthy is a strong coach that would only apply to the Cowboys. The goal is to be among those teams that are a true contender every season knowing that the more seasons the team has a legitimate shot to win it all, the more likely the team is to win it all.

I’m basing this mandate and expectations on what Jerry, Stephen and a bulk of the media and fans who think this team is talented enough to contend now.

Lesser coaching was holding us back. That’s not an excuse anymore and why based on this rhetoric we should Expect to win now.

I’m suspect like yourself as I see talent weaknesses as well which held us back but this coaching move wasn’t about rebuilding a team. Most analysts believed this team has enough to make noise now .

blueblood70 · Jan 7, 2020

2-3 years to cycle through players and get what they need to get us to the finish line with Daks future up in the air etc, zeke getting long in the RB tooth and our line is aging.. the time is now..

year 4 will be the if you didnt show we are vastly improved, Jerry will fire him.. hes on a short leash with the window opened for 3years..

after that its blow it up at key positions and time for young splash coach as they can grow together with a longer time frame for results..

this makes sense and could be similar to TB and Dungy let go and Gruden taking them the rest of the way..

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

RD21 said:
McCarthy will take this team further than Garrett did. I have 100% confidence in that.

That should be the expectation. And further would be a championship or Super Bowl. I’m just elevating the time.

RD21 · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I’m basing this mandate and expectations on what Jerry, Stephen and a bulk of the media and fans who think this team is talented enough to contend now.

Lesser coaching was holding us back. That’s not an excuse anymore and why based on this rhetoric we should Expect to win now.

I’m suspect like yourself as I see talent weaknesses as well which held us back but this coaching move wasn’t about rebuilding a team. Most analysts believed this team has enough to make noise now .

I read your posts & can't help but think, you're just mad your boy Opey got his walking papers.

That's how it reads to me. Regardless of who would've got the job, I just know it was time for Garrett to go. I'm optimistic about our future with MM but, I'll hold off on the praise or criticism of him, until this time next year. My gut says, we'll still be playing this time next year....

CowboyRoy · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
You still never grasp why I supported Garrett.

Your "support" of Garrett is exactly what was misplaced.

And you can see quite plainly that your notion that we would just hire another puppet has also been proven dead wrong. The entire 10 years, your support was wrong and out of touch.

Case closed!!

CowboyRoy · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I have no problem with Garretts release. He didn’t meet expectations.

Way to man up

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

RD21 said:
I read your posts & can't help but think, you're just mad your boy Opey got his walking papers.

That's how it reads to me. Regardless of who would've got the job, I just know it was time for Garrett to go. I'm optimistic about our future with MM but, I'll hold off on the praise or criticism of him, until this time next year. My gut says, we'll still be playing this time next year....

Im actually very excited we made a respectable hire. I had pretty much given up all hope.

And was a big factor in my support for my favorite puppet this generation of futility. Basically a mockery of Jerry’s ways which up to this point except a few years with Bill left me without much hope.

Our Bar has been Elevated again. My expectations have risen from the dust of Jerry’s puppet era.

Super Bowl or Bust. How long does Mike get?

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