Problem I have with Dak and our Offense

Ranching · Jan 20, 2020

Cwby41 said:
First off Im a Dak fan I like the kid and who he is and how he handles himself. I dont see him being a elite QB at this time and Im not a fan of over paying him. That being said he will get paid around 33 to 35 mill with heavy guarantees. Just my feeling
The problem with our offense is that we poured it on against every bad defense we played and shut off against any decent to good defense. Saints, Packers, Bears, Bills, Vikes, Pats and even second game against a banged up Philly Def. We couldnt score. So the question is were we just that more talented to overtake the lesser defenses or is our scheme so poor that better teams we weren't able to rely just totally on skill alone.
I mean for a team to score so many points but do nothing ( except in garbage time which made things look better in a few games)against the better defenses I feel is a cause for concern. What are your thoughts on this? Was it scheme? Dak? Coaching? Or us overvaluing our talent?

Whatever it was, we've moved on. Let start looking forward and not backwards.

BoysForLife · Jan 20, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Of course you dont care. You are a pathetic Dak-homer.

Cowboys against top 10 scoring defenses w/ Amari:
0-7

You hate to see it.

Well then clearly Amari Cooper is the issue, right? What other conclusion are we supposed to draw?

I just don’t see how everybody can hate a guy who picked up his own cup when he missed the garbage can

I just get tired of all this hatred

blueblood70 · Jan 20, 2020

SackMaster said:
As with virtually everything Cowboys in the Garrett Era, teams knew what the Boys were doing before the Boys knew, on offense and defense.

That's great in all when you are vastly superior talent and/or coaching, but it does not work so good if the talent is similar or a coach is able to counter it.

I am confident that MM will not make the same mistake JG did with his outdated "just beat the man in front of you" from the 90's.

JMHO

NOT TRUE thats the biggest myth on this site..

id this were true the teams we did put most of those record allegedly padded garbage stats against us would have held us to ZERO points and spanked us 31-0

thats just FAN BS....

the better defenses simply slowed us like they do most teams , they were BETTER and we didnt counter well but the biggest factor in those losses were MISTAKES by players, lack of execution, fumbles, poor blocking, poor throw's, bad tackling, untimely penalty's, and some poor play calling..Bad defense at times or really bad ST missed Fgs etc etc all that cost us close games, they were close so we are so predictable hows that possible?

you cant finish top 10 in offense and defense if you have an offense and defense that is so predictable a cave man can stop it..

the better teams simply executed better.... in the NFL doesnt take much to flip a loss to win or win to a loss..fine line we lost 6 games by less then 4 points...that 2nd philly game 2nd half pour WRs were WIDE OPEN..we had time to throw and Dak choked injured or not.. thats not an issue with scheme or play calling, they could have easily won that game by 10... Dak just failed to hit open receivers..many of the losses zeke has over 5YPC in the first half he led the league , hows that if we are predictable does that happen? we simply got behind abandon the run or vice versa, some was coaching, play calling but most was players making mistakes..

Future · Jan 20, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Of course you dont care. You are a pathetic Dak-homer.

Cowboys against top 10 scoring defenses w/ Amari:
0-7

You hate to see it.

Uh, no I'm not. I've always been critical of Dak. He has a bunch of flaws as a passer.

Ok, now do this for other quarterbacks, and include their actual passing numbers, and make the connection on how they tie to wins/losses.

You're doing exactly what Dak "homers" have always done, which is make wins/losses a QB stat.

dfense · Jan 20, 2020

SackMaster said:
As with virtually everything Cowboys in the Garrett Era, teams knew what the Boys were doing before the Boys knew, on offense and defense.

That's great in all when you are vastly superior talent and/or coaching, but it does not work so good if the talent is similar or a coach is able to counter it.

I am confident that MM will not make the same mistake JG did with his outdated "just beat the man in front of you" from the 90's.

JMHO

Pretty sure this won't age so well when MM realizes what he has at QB. Especially if Danny Dimes excels. Then we're going to have to come up with some fresh Dak friendly excuses.

charron · Jan 20, 2020

SackMaster said:
As with virtually everything Cowboys in the Garrett Era, teams knew what the Boys were doing before the Boys knew, on offense and defense.

That's great in all when you are vastly superior talent and/or coaching, but it does not work so good if the talent is similar or a coach is able to counter it.

I am confident that MM will not make the same mistake JG did with his outdated "just beat the man in front of you" from the 90's.

JMHO

Teams know what everyone is doing for the most part. there are very few surprises on most plays.

dfense · Jan 20, 2020

America's Cowboy said:

Yeah, the last line of defense for Dak fans. Deflect to Romo. every time.

WillieBeamen · Jan 20, 2020

Future said:
Uh, no I'm not. I've always been critical of Dak. He has a bunch of flaws as a passer.

Ok, now do this for other quarterbacks, and include their actual passing numbers, and make the connection on how they tie to wins/losses.

You're doing exactly what Dak "homers" have always done, which is make wins/losses a QB stat.

Im doing nothing you are suggesting.

I clearly stated the Cowboys W/L record against those teams. The QB plays a big factor in that record, if not the biggest.

You asked me for the record with Coop. I provided it. Now you are moving the goalposts.

I dont need convincing, you do. So you fetch those numbers...

dfense · Jan 20, 2020

BoysForLife said:
Honestly I don't see how you guys can live with this much hate in your heart towards Dak.

I mean, how can you have a differing opinion than the forum police and look at yourselves in the mirror?

So much hate. So many clandestine agendas. So sad and disheartening. I just don't know if I can respect anyone who isn't madly in love with Dak as our quarterback.

Can't we just stop hating each other and come together around our franchise QB?

This is the Dallas Cowboys. There is no room for individual thought. We need complete uniformity. We need to stop hating

I think there's a difference between hate and no confidence.

Group hug.

Future · Jan 20, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Im doing nothing you are suggesting.

I clearly stated the Cowboys W/L record against those teams. The QB plays a big factor in that record, if not the biggest.

You asked me for the record with Coop. I provided it. Now you are moving the goalposts.

I dont need convincing, you do. So you fetch those numbers...

Uh yes, that's exactly what you're doing. Your first post was

"it's Dak."

I'm not moving the goalposts, you were asked for that before too. "I don't need convincing" is just a not-so-sneaky way of saying "I'm too lazy to actually prove my point."

WillieBeamen · Jan 20, 2020

Future said:
Uh yes, that's exactly what you're doing. Your first post was

"it's Dak."

I'm not moving the goalposts, you were asked for that before too. "I don't need convincing" is just a not-so-sneaky way of saying "I'm too lazy to actually prove my point."

Ive proved me point over and over and over and over again on this board.

You just choose to ignore it and make excuses for this average QB of ours.

The OP asked a question and I answered. You didnt like my answer so you have become a fixture in my alerts.

Nothing will change your mind but time, and even then you still may give excuses for Dak...

dfense · Jan 20, 2020

blueblood70 said:
NOT TRUE thats the biggest myth on this site..

id this were true the teams we did put most of those record allegedly padded garbage stats against us would have held us to ZERO points and spanked us 31-0

thats just FAN BS....

the better defenses simply slowed us like they do most teams , they were BETTER and we didnt counter well but the biggest factor in those losses were MISTAKES by players, lack of execution, fumbles, poor blocking, poor throw's, bad tackling, untimely penalty's, and some poor play calling..Bad defense at times or really bad ST missed Fgs etc etc all that cost us close games, they were close so we are so predictable hows that possible?

you cant finish top 10 in offense and defense if you have an offense and defense that is so predictable a cave man can stop it..

the better teams simply executed better.... in the NFL doesnt take much to flip a loss to win or win to a loss..fine line we lost 6 games by less then 4 points...that 2nd philly game 2nd half pour WRs were WIDE OPEN..we had time to throw and Dak choked injured or not.. thats not an issue with scheme or play calling, they could have easily won that game by 10... Dak just failed to hit open receivers..many of the losses zeke has over 5YPC in the first half he led the league , hows that if we are predictable does that happen? we simply got behind abandon the run or vice versa, some was coaching, play calling but most was players making mistakes..

Listen, you are 100% correct. But people will argue Dak was injured. When he wasn't, it was bad coaching or scheme.There's always a fall back excuse for Dak.

Future · Jan 20, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Ive proved me point over and over and over and over again on this board.

You just choose to ignore it and make excuses for this average QB of ours.

The OP asked a question and I answered. You didnt like my answer so you have become a fixture in my alerts.

Nothing will change your mind but time, and even then you still may give excuses for Dak...

You haven't proven anything.

You also have me wrong in how I view Dak. I have changed my mind, he wasn't good until this year. I've had half of the Dak homers on this board on ignore for two years. But to watch how he played this season and have the take you do means that you a) have no grasp of QB play around the league b) aren't watching or c) are just looking for flaws and ignoring the good things. It is impossible to watch Dak play this year without bias and have the opinion you do of him, because it isn't groudned in any sense of reality.

Selecting arbitrary stats and not contextualizing them isn't going to change my mind on that, you could do it for 100 years.

WillieBeamen · Jan 20, 2020

Future said:
You haven't proven anything.

You also have me wrong in how I view Dak. I have changed my mind, he wasn't good until this year. I've had half of the Dak homers on this board on ignore for two years. But to watch how he played this season and have the take you do means that you a) have no grasp of QB play around the league b) aren't watching or c) are just looking for flaws and ignoring the good things. It is impossible to watch Dak play this year without bias and have the opinion you do of him, because it isn't groudned in any sense of reality.

Selecting arbitrary stats and not contextualizing them isn't going to change my mind on that, you could do it for 100 years.

Man please...

Dak’s performance this season was because of garbage teams and stat-padding.

He was bad in just about every game against good teams sans the Vikings game in which they dared him to beat them and maybe the Rams game.

He sucked against these teams:
NO
GB
NYJ
NE
CHI
BUF
PHI

I can also make the argument that he sucked against Miami and the first Philly game as well.

So in about 8 games he sucked and 8 he played well.

Its clear you only looked at the stat sheet or you dont understand what you are watching

Even some of the most nauseating Dak homers were disgusted with some of his performances.

BoysForLife · Jan 20, 2020

dfense said:
I think there's a difference between hate and no confidence.

Group hug.

Future · Jan 20, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
Man please...

Dak’s performance this season was because of garbage teams and stat-padding.

He was bad in just about every game against good teams sans the Vikings game in which they dared him to beat them and maybe the Rams game.

He sucked against these teams:
NO
GB
NYJ
NE
CHI
BUF
PHI

I can also make the argument that he sucked against Miami and the first Philly game as well.

So in about 8 games he sucked and 8 he played well.

Its clear you only looked at the stat sheet or you dont understand what you are watching

Yes, when he threw for 460 yards against the Packers, he was terrible (in before stat padding. They moved the ball at will in the first half too).

You don't understand how Jason Garrett's offensive approach cripples the QB's ability to play well.

If you think he sucked against Miami and Philly then you absolutely do not watch other quarterbacks play. You can do this with just about every QB in the league with...whatever standard it is that you're using.

BoysForLife · Jan 20, 2020

dfense said:
Yeah, the last line of defense for Dak fans. Deflect to Romo. every time.

blueblood70 · Jan 20, 2020

dfense said:
Listen, you are 100% correct. But people will argue Dak was injured. When he wasn't, it was bad coaching or scheme.There's always a fall back excuse for Dak.

true I take it as middle ground approach wherever the two narratives are split I stay in the middle..I can see both points but the truth is somewhere in between,..

SackMaster · Jan 20, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
I told you already they have 2 and 3xthe amount of wins as Dak in that timeframe but if you insist on looking bad:

Goff
4-9

Wentz
7-6

I do find it interesting you stuck with two QBs that, despite their QBs, had good enough teams around them to get to the SB without them. So even when on IR or playing bad, their team was still good enough to win big games.

In any case, while I would have enjoyed seeing more QBs listed, at least you attempted to back up your point with some facts.
:clap:

WillieBeamen · Jan 20, 2020

Future said:
Yes, when he threw for 460 yards against the Packers, he was terrible (in before stat padding. They moved the ball at will in the first half too).

You don't understand how Jason Garrett's offensive approach cripples the QB's ability to play well.

If you think he sucked against Miami and Philly then you absolutely do not watch other quarterbacks play. You can do this with just about every QB in the league with...whatever standard it is that you're using.

End of convo

It was 31-3 with 3:34 left in the 3rd quarter.

He had 2 INTs and the offense held the ball for only 12 minutes. The longest drive he led was 9 plays. Doesnt sound like moving the ball at will to me

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