Teams are trying to convince themselves qb is good enough

Roadtrip635 · Jan 20, 2020

Proof said:
along with signing Tevin Coleman there’s a ton of factors in play.

It’s like the guys here who point out the packers doing so well this year without McCarthy, and not mentioning that they got significant upgrades in FA this yr after being notoriously stingy, and had two first round picks.

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Exactly, everyone is looking for that one magic bullet that changes everything. Mahomes may be as close to a magic bullet as there is, but if he landed in a place like Miami or Jets how long would it have been before he was even competing for a playoff berth.

cowboyec · Jan 20, 2020

Mahomes is great.
but the chiefs didnt advance to the super bowl until they started playing defense.

Dak is good enough to be a Super Bowl QB...but not on his own.
we need to make plays...consistently...on both sides of the ball to get there.
and having some competent,in-game decisions from the sidelines sure as hell will help.

rags747 · Jan 20, 2020

Not for anything but Garapolo completed 69% of his passes for 4K yards at 8.4 yards per pass. Is this his 2nd year starting? Obviously they have not needed him in the playoffs, but I think it’s way to early to say that he sucks. Seems to be quite fine so early in his career. Plus he gets the OPP quite easily.

Aviano90 · Jan 20, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I was excited after the sensational rookie season but these last 3 seasons has dampened my enthusiasm.

I’m not sure where in any better place at QB than before?

We are also not in a worse place which had been feared for many years. Most people thought the wheels would fall off like 2015 and it didn’t.

InTheZone · Jan 20, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
It's way way way way way to early to start putting Mahones in the one of the greatest to ever play. TWO seasons? If he keeps this up for another 6, 7, 8 years then maybe we start talking like that but not after just 2 seasons.
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true, but there's no doubt he's no fraud.

Diehardblues · Jan 20, 2020

Aviano90 said:
We are also not in a worse place which had been feared for many years. Most people thought the wheels would fall off like 2015 and it didn’t.

Which could be our lesson here.

rnr_honeybadger · Jan 20, 2020

You have two choices, hold a fire sale and trade as many guys as you can and tank the next 3 years, make sure you hit on those pics and that includes finding a guy like Mahomes or whatever unicorn of the day you want.

second is you continue building around the core talent you have.

IheartRomo · Jan 20, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
It's way way way way way to early to start putting Mahones in the one of the greatest to ever play. TWO seasons? If he keeps this up for another 6, 7, 8 years then maybe we start talking like that but not after just 2 seasons.
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Not for a career just yet but for a 2 season peak? He’s absolutely in the discussion. Been an extraordinary 2 seasons.

Rayman70 · Jan 20, 2020

cowboyec said:
Mahomes is great.
but the chiefs didnt advance to the super bowl until they started playing defense.

Dak is good enough to be a Super Bowl QB...but not on his own.
we need to make plays...consistently...on both sides of the ball to get there.
and having some competent,in-game decisions from the sidelines sure as hell will help.

fb IS the ultimate team sport. EVEN Mahomes needs help. He didn't start doing well in the playoffs this year until his defense and special teams stepped up.

Bullflop · Jan 20, 2020

It's no secret that Dak has room for improvement -- I'm hoping he'll have the benefit of a HC and the staff to make that dream a reality in 2020. I think it's much to his advantage if he'll only keep the faith and make the necessary adjustments to make it happen. He just needs to maintain his exceptional work ethic and diligence to continue to improve his skills. It's something that should serve him well.

Rayman70 · Jan 20, 2020

If Dak was the QB for the niners..he would be in the SB today. As good as Jimmy G has been, his numbers aren't as good as Daks and he's at the big dance. Reason is, he has a complete balanced team around him. Great coaches, great scheme, awesome D, a run heavy offense and stellar oline. A dline that makes the QB turnover the ball. THAT IS HUGE. Great ST play too. ALL 3 PHASES OF THE GAME. As good as the chiefs are, I have doubts they can stay with the niners on SB sunday. Gonna be a great game. Is Jimmy G gonna be considered elite if they win? lol...food for thought.

links18 · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
This is great. Collin hit it on the head. He says that half the teams in the league are trying to convince themselves that their QB is good enough. The bears...... yep. Remember the chiefs with Smith? The would say he is good enough... and as Colin said... no he isnt.

And here we are trying to convince ourselves Dak is good enough. Did you watch Mahomes? Sad part is what else do you do?

Marry yourself to a running back with a huge contract?

Reid1boys · Jan 20, 2020

IslandCowboy said:
This theory is so overplayed. There is always more risk switching QBs than sticking with a good to very good QB. I haven't seen anything that says someone like Garoppolo is that much better than Dak. The difference is that Garoppolo has an extremely good defense, run game, and head coach. For every Mahomes and Garoppolo there is a Sam Darnald or Josh Rosen. I think we can make a Super Bowl with Dak and some better coaching and a more consistent surrounding cast. The alternative is so much worse. The likelihood that we hit big on another QB in the draft is just too low. Imagine being stuck with an actual terrible QB for 4-5 years.

so was Reid able to elevate alex smith? NOPE, it was Mahomes that has elevated Reid... lets not confuse the reality of the relationship that Reid and Mahomes have.

Reid1boys · Jan 20, 2020

Rayman70 said:
If Dak was the QB for the niners..he would be in the SB today. As good as Jimmy G has been, his numbers aren't as good as Daks and he's at the big dance. Reason is, he has a complete balanced team around him. Great coaches, great scheme, awesome D, a run heavy offense and stellar oline. A dline that makes the QB turnover the ball. THAT IS HUGE. Great ST play too. ALL 3 PHASES OF THE GAME. As good as the chiefs are, I have doubts they can stay with the niners on SB sunday. Gonna be a great game. Is Jimmy G gonna be considered elite if they win? lol...food for thought.

good schemes? Did they come up with a bunch f new schemes this year? Because those same great schemes last year took them all the way to a 4=12 record. Schemes schemes schemes.... bahahahahahhahahahhahahaha.

Rayman70 · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
so was Reid able to elevate alex smith? NOPE, it was Mahomes that has elevated Reid... lets not confuse the reality of the relationship that Reid and Mahomes have.

bingo. That's the stark truth. At least in this case. Jon Gruden couldn't help Carr...as good as chucky is lol..even HE cannot make a JAG any better. IT TAKES A SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN AVERAGE QB in this league to win. SOMETIMES coaching gets way too much credit and blame. Nature of the beast I guess.

Rayman70 · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
good schemes? Did they come up with a bunch f new schemes this year? Because those same great schemes last year took them all the way to a 4=12 record. Schemes schemes schemes.... bahahahahahhahahahhahahaha.

no matter..if it works..hey why change it? You can run simple stuff and make it look different if you add some wrinkles to it. Its the subtle stuff. Those boys on the oline were pushing the GB packers back 10 yards all day. They had no shot.

Rayman70 · Jan 20, 2020

sometimes the best scheme, is the old one lol..its cyclical. Its how you present it I guess.

bandfan · Jan 20, 2020

If Dak ever wins the Super Bowl the very first post on this board afterward will be...."But he's only won one..."

mardwin · Jan 20, 2020

OmerV said:
That's nonsense. Dak doesn't need everyone else to be Pro Bowl level, he just needs a solid team around him where it's not all on his back. And, realistically, how many QBs can carry the team all on their back regardless of the talent throughout the rest of the team? The answer is none, although some need a stronger team around them than others. Your comment seems to suggest a QB can win on his own regardless of the talent level throughout the rest of the team.

Your comment also ignores that there are only a few QBs at the Rodgers/Brees/Brady/Mahomes level. The notion some seem to have that it's just a matter of moving on from Dak and going out and getting one of those guys is ridiculous.

As for pay, it's time to realize that $30-35MM/year is not reserved for the best of the best of the best. That's quickly becoming a common figure for a quality QB that isn't at that truly elite level. If Mahomes were negotiating a new contract right now he might command $40-45 million/year.

Dak needs Zeke (pro bowler), Cooper (pro bowler), o-line(all-pro/pro bowlers)... and he still looks average. So tell me why when he has just a solid team he plays like crap.

Rayman70 · Jan 20, 2020

bandfan said:
If Dak ever wins the Super Bowl the very first post on this board afterward will be...."But he's only won one..."

exactly. Its really sad and bizarre. jimmy g IS PLAYING IN A SB RIGHT NOW..and didn't have the year Dak did..but if they win, he will be considered elite lol.. ITS STUPID.

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