BTB: Could run stuffing Andrew Billings be a fit for Cowboys

Future · Jan 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
Ehhh....I don’t consider 3900 yards a great passing attack. I don’t consider 200 yards the past two weeks a great passing attack. How on earth did he win throwing for 77 yards?

Gameflow. Didn't have to pass.

This is why total yards don't matter. It's not like the Cowboys had the 2nd best passing offense in fototball last year.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 28, 2020

Future said:
Gameflow. Didn't have to pass.

This is why total yards don't matter. It's not like the Cowboys had the 2nd best passing offense in fototball last year.

Game flow? Rodgers had a bunch of yards.....why didn’t Garopolo throw more yards? Is it because of that darn run game?

Future · Jan 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
Game flow? Rodgers had a bunch of yards.....why didn’t Garopolo throw more yards? Is it because of that darn run game?

The Packers offense didn't do anything until the third quarter.

Jimmy G didn't throw more b/c GB never adjusted to stop the run. But even still, yards aren't a measure of an effective passing game. They accomplished exactly what they needed to on the second drive and stopped GB from committing a lot of resources to the run.

John813 · Jan 28, 2020

quickccc said:
i really believe the ball is in his son Stephen's court now.
Jerry has practically and gradually transcended the football operations over to the Stephen/McClay workings.
The reason why the guys like Anthony Hitchen, Barry Church, Brandon Carr, Mo Claiborne, Ron Leary, Demarco Murray etc.,.. and even Dez Bryant end up moving on seems to
point to the works of Stephen Jones.

It does, and I think Jerry does let SJ run the show most of the time.
But I feel like if Jerry got wind of MM wanting a free agent and others like McClay thought it could be a good move then he would have an itchy finger on wanting it done.

ondaedg · Jan 28, 2020

kskboys said:
Both super bowl teams utilize prototypical NT's.

And all of the Pats' super bowls utilized monsters at NT. Vince Woolfork, Ted Washington etc. Granted Billy B liked the 3-4 he uses the 4-3 more and has always deployed a defensive strategy that forces teams to the outside on both run and pass plays.

gjkoeppen · Jan 28, 2020

Future said:
Just b/c you can't comprehend what I'm saying doesn't mean that I'm saying it incorrectly.

You don't need to design a defense built to stop the run if offenses aren't designed to run the ball. Having the ability and making it a priority are not hte same thing. And since no smart team is going to be designing a run-first offense in today's NFL, it is stupid to prioritize stopping the run on defense.

Here's a thought for you since football 101 wasn't one of your first reads. If the defensive strategy doesn't not include being able to stop the run, then teams that don't even have that great of a run game will be able to get some traction running the ball against defenses that only worry about the pass defense. Believe it or not defensive coordinators will see teams that are just playing pass and will run the ball until the defense changes what they are doing and stop the run. Yes the league has turn into a more passing league, but head coaches and defensive coordinators are dumb enough to think they no longer have be able to defend against the run and be able to do it as well as they possibly can.
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quickccc · Jan 28, 2020

Future said:
The Patriots defended the pass first, and let Henry get his. It worked.

OMG !!! .... LOL !!! :lmao2:

isn't it often said that the great Bill Belichek aims to take away what teams like to do best ? and you think Belly's aim was actually Ryan Tunnehill instead ?.. LOL !!

quickccc · Jan 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
He never really had a organization sign big free agents.

quickccc said:
And that was because of the cap and player personnel philosophy of former GM Ted Thompson, who ironically like Stephen Jones believed in drafting
the core of his players and only prioritizing re-signing current the big impact players who successfully proved themselves.
That was never an in-between, middle ground with Thompson, just when we got that middle ground player to impact rest of the team,
such as with us getting that a Charles Haley or Deion Sanders, .. just as it appears to be with Stephen in recent times. (ala Earl Thomas)

And I cannot think of a single big name, big impact stud FA vet that Thompson brought into help during McCarthy's days.

That didn't change under Thompson with McCarthy in GB, so will that change with Stephen Jones with McCarthy now with the Cowboys ?

I couldn’t recall a big name free agent signing under the McCarthy/Ted Thompson, so I had to research and look it up: as Charles Woodson (2006) and Julius Peppers (2014) were easily two
biggest name FA signees under that regime.

So just maybe there could possible be a big name FA splash signee under sir Stephen Jones ? :grin:

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 28, 2020

quickccc said:
I couldn’t recall a big name free agent signing under the McCarthy/Ted Thompson, so I had to research and look it up: as Charles Woodson (2006) and Julius Peppers (2014) were easily two
biggest name FA signees under that regime.

So just maybe there could possible be a big name FA splash signee under sir Stephen Jones ?

Alright so my memory is blurry but wasn’t Peppers a shell of his former self by then? And how I remember Woodson playing out....he was down at corner and then revamped his career at safety. Could be wrong though.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 28, 2020

quickccc said:
OMG !!! .... LOL !!!

isn't it often said that the great Bill Belichek aims to take away what teams like to do best ? and you think Belly's aim was actually Ryan Tunnehill instead ?.. LOL !!

Yes.....that’s what he thinks lol.

quickccc · Jan 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
Alright so my memory is blurry but wasn’t Peppers a shell of his former self by then? And how I remember Woodson playing out....he was down at corner and then revamped his career at safety. Could be wrong though.

just as others CB greats like Rod Woodson, Aneas Williams also did once they couldn't last on the edge anymore.
yeh Peppers wasn't near what he was with the Bears and Panthers in his early years before he came to GB,

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 28, 2020

quickccc said:
just as others CB greats like Rod Woodson, Aneas Williams also did once they couldn't last on the edge anymore.
yeh Peppers wasn't near what he was with the Bears and Panthers in his early years before he came to GB,

Oh yeah by no means was I saying Woodson wasn't good anymore. He revamped his career with the position switch. I just don't remember how good he was at corner when they signed him.

Future · Jan 28, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
Here's a thought for you since football 101 wasn't one of your first reads. If the defensive strategy doesn't not include being able to stop the run, then teams that don't even have that great of a run game will be able to get some traction running the ball against defenses that only worry about the pass defense. Believe it or not defensive coordinators will see teams that are just playing pass and will run the ball until the defense changes what they are doing and stop the run. Yes the league has turn into a more passing league, but head coaches and defensive coordinators are dumb enough to think they no longer have be able to defend against the run and be able to do it as well as they possibly can.
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Passing game matters. Running game doesn't.

Whatever football 101 book you're reading is outdated.

quickccc said:
OMG !!! .... LOL !!!

isn't it often said that the great Bill Belichek aims to take away what teams like to do best ? and you think Belly's aim was actually Ryan Tunnehill instead ?.. LOL !!

That's exactly what they did, and it worked.

Future · Jan 28, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
Here's a thought for you since football 101 wasn't one of your first reads. If the defensive strategy doesn't not include being able to stop the run, then teams that don't even have that great of a run game will be able to get some traction running the ball against defenses that only worry about the pass defense. Believe it or not defensive coordinators will see teams that are just playing pass and will run the ball until the defense changes what they are doing and stop the run. Yes the league has turn into a more passing league, but head coaches and defensive coordinators are dumb enough to think they no longer have be able to defend against the run and be able to do it as well as they possibly can.
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You're an idiot I never said play 11 men in coverage.

It's 2020 man you're talking about 1995. The run doesn't matter if you can't pass.

J-man · Jan 29, 2020

yes please

gjkoeppen · Jan 29, 2020

Future said:
You're an idiot I never said play 11 men in coverage.

It's 2020 man you're talking about 1995. The run doesn't matter if you can't pass.

Oh so in 2020 during a wildcard playoff game when the titans drove 71 yards for a TD and throw zero passes in that drive and that TD really didn't matter. In fact Tannehill only threw the ball 15 times in that entire game completing 8 and the titans won that game. This was against the patriots who all season we heard how good their pass defense was. Tell me again how unimportant it is in 2020 for teams not to have the ability to stop the run as part of their defensive scheme.
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gjkoeppen · Jan 29, 2020

quickccc said:
I couldn’t recall a big name free agent signing under the McCarthy/Ted Thompson, so I had to research and look it up: as Charles Woodson (2006) and Julius Peppers (2014) were easily two
biggest name FA signees under that regime.

So just maybe there could possible be a big name FA splash signee under sir Stephen Jones ?

Both of those were not "really big" signings. Peppers was sign as a 3rd down pass rushing DE not an every down DE. The packers signed Peppers after he already had 12 seasons in and didn't break the bank signing him. Woodson who spent most of his career as a corner was switched to safety by the packers because he didn't still have the speed to play corner. Woodson's contract was a little bit higher but the packers as a rule built their team during the McCarthy/Thompson era through the draft. During those years very few of the players that proved themselves after getting drafted left the packers for other teams because the packers used their cap space resigning those players. Also the packers were never in the same cap hell the Cowboys suffered through from the beginning of the cap era through 2018. The packers philosophy then was to build through the draft.
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Oh_Canada · Jan 29, 2020

Would be a great signing and a refreshing change at nose tackle.

Batman1980 · Jan 29, 2020

ChuckA1 said:
Sounds like a great FA acquisition if he's interested in coming home to Texas. A player that can stuff the running lanes is greatly needed by the Cowboys.

Make life easier for our 3 pass rushers and our 2 stud LBs that struggled this year. I'm in.

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