Dak needs a new agent

Bullflop said:

The idea that you assume nobody knows more about it than you do is funny to me, as well. It's not really rocket science that these procedures involve. I've attended enough contract negotiations in the past to have a pretty good idea how the procedure works. The fact that you don't understand it doesn't necessarily mean nobody else does. There's also nothing that says you have to agree with the opinions of others for their ideas to be valid.

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To the contrary

I didn’t profess to know more than anyone. In fact, I said the opposite. I was commenting that the board is full of experts.

I’ve done my share of negotiations as well, including union contract negotiations, which would be my closest, personal, direct comparison outside of the routine executive salary negotiations. However, I haven’t been a professional athlete, been a professional sports agent, or been the GM of an NFL team which makes me unqualified to do anything but speculate

If you had responded to the thread with any rational feedback on contracts or the process or the money or whatever, I never would have replied. Your opinion is yours

My issue was the scenario you invented. You went full blown mind reader, attributing your own personal opinions to those involved in the negotiation, Stephen, Dak, Todd France. You made It sound as if they were just making it up as they go and working off emotion without much of a process or structure at all.

These are professionals that get paid millions of dollars to do this work. They cant operate the way you describe and continue to be successful

With the experience you’ve had, you know better.

Your last comment is absolutely true though, so I’ll own it. I could have just left it alone.

You’re right, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Whether I agree or disagree with it doesn’t *make* it right or wrong

Said opinion can still *be* dead wrong.

BoysForLife said:

If you dare say anything on this forum with regards to Dak that doesn't sound like a mother fawning over her firstborn child, you'll get absolutely disemboweled for it.

It's just the way it is.

Accept it and stand on your opinions/thoughts. The minute you let the forum police dictate to you how you're allowed to feel, you may as well stop posting.

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I've called Dak just a decent QB for 3 years now, and no one has ever bashed be for it.

kskboys said:

I've called Dak just a decent QB for 3 years now, and no one has ever bashed be for it.

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Every rule has an exception. Sounds like I just met the exception.

Bullflop said:

The idea that you assume nobody knows more about it than you do is funny to me, as well. It's not really rocket science that these procedures involve. I've attended enough contract negotiations in the past to have a pretty good idea how the procedure works. The fact that you don't understand it doesn't necessarily mean nobody else does. There's also nothing that says you have to agree with the opinions of others for their ideas to be valid.

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To the contrary

I didn’t profess to know more than anyone. In fact, I said the opposite. I was commenting that the board is full of experts.

I’ve done my share of negotiations as well, but I haven’t been a professional athlete, a professional sports agent, or the GM of an NFL team which makes me unqualified to do anything but speculate about what’s going on between the parties.

If you had responded to the thread with feedback on contracts or the process or the money or whatever, I never would have replied. Your opinion is yours

My issue was the scenario you invented. You went full blown mind reader, attributing your own feelings to those involved in the negotiation, that being Stephen, Dak and Todd France. You made It sound as if they were just making it up as they go and working off emotion without much of a process or structure at all.

These are professionals that get paid millions of dollars to do this work. They cant operate the way you describe and continue to be successful

With the experience you’ve had, you know better.

Your last comment is absolutely true though, so I’ll own it. I could have just left it alone.

Player agents set the bar as high as possible to boost their share of the goodies just as much as they do so for their clients. That's their job. Dak is demanding to be paid based upon what his agent advised him to. He admitted himself that he's depending on him to tell him what to do. $40 mil for him isn't what a QB of his ilk should be demanding. That's my opinion and it's not one that the majority of here would disagree with, judging from what I've read hereabouts for some time now.

I'm glad you don't claim to be any smarter than anyone else here. You just claim that others who don't agree with you are full of baloney fakers. It's not hard to discern the intentions of agents who are well known for their greedy ways. It's exactly why so many owners and fans despise them. I usually try to avoid getting involved with matters that don't concern me, which is what Dak's impending negotiations amount to. When their agents insist upon being unduly unrealistic, however, it becomes a matter of concern for the welfare of the rest of the team and also its fans.

I can appreciate your opinions, however, because that's what this forum is all about. Maybe you could see fit to do the same if it suits you. Implying that myself and others "invent" things when past negotiations indicate otherwise suggests ignoring history is foolhardy. Agent and player greed is exactly why player wages have escalated to such unrealistic proportions in the decades preceding the here and now. At some point, it's just unhealthy.

Dak's agent is playing this perfectly and is going to make him millions of dollars. Might not be the best thing for the Cowboys or Dak's win/loss percentage but that isn't his job or concern.

The big thing is that they don't want to piss Jerry off or outright insult him. He could get petty real fast. So far, they have said all the right things publicly. As such, a big fat contract is coming their way.

BoysForLife said:

Every rule has an exception. Sounds like I just met the exception.

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Nice!!!!

Difference is I generally stay out of the silly Dak arguments, and don't make ridiculous statements about how great/awful he is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(And maybe sometimes I'm just too dammm dummm to even figure out that someone's trying to insult me!!!)

kskboys said:

I've called Dak just a decent QB for 3 years now, and no one has ever bashed be for it.

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Correct, because he is a decent QB. Hyperbole reigns on this forum. For four years, he has put up above average numbers, but every QB in the league, is better. That includes, backups, practice squad, and former players.

silvernblu said:

I think the Cowboys are being quite reasonable. Dak’s agent is being ridiculous and unfortunately is inflating Daks head in the process.

why would he possibly be anywhere near the highest paid QB ever?

Id like to think it’s not Dak, but I’m not entirely sure. How can he be about winning when the contract he wants will prevent building a winning team.

I feel I was so wrong about Daks character. It’s just sad.

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How do you know what Dak's agent and the Cowboys have talked about in the negotiation? How do we know which side, if either, is being reasonable or unreasonable? And where do we get that Dak expects to be the highest paid QB ever? The only thing I recall Dak ever saying himself is that he does not expect that.

Reality said:

We don't know where the sticking points are though.

It could be they are offering what he wants per year, but not enough years. Or it could be they are offering the years he wants, but not enough of an increase to stay inline with projected league-wide salary increases.

There could also be other details that are sticking points.

I am not on either side, but since we really don't know where the issues are, it's hard to say which side is being more fair or more unreasonable.

If they do not sign him to a new contract though, i hope they go into the draft assuming he won't be on the team long term so they can draft another potential starting quarterback rather than do what they have done in the past and assume it will all get worked out, until it doesn't.

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Well said.

Cowboys have more leverage than you think they do with Dak. If the Cowboys tag Dak then he either plays for the Cowboys or he doesn’t play at all.

Dak has NEVER “been paid”. He was a 4th round pick. He isn’t going to pass on playing on a one year contract that will pay him more than his prior 4 years COMBINED. He could but he won’t. While nothing is an absolute the odds of it happening are not worth considering.

In reality, if Dak doesn’t play next year the Cowboys tag him again and he can’t play the following year either. (At least that’s my understanding)

Dak needs long term security. At some point I think he will accept a reasonable contract. If he doesn’t let him sit the year out.

glimmerman said:

I think Daks agent is doing his job. These agents know how to push JJ around. If his agent has him hold out it wouldn’t surprise me..

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Zeke deal aside....because I feel we played ourselves there....most deals over the last decade have been pretty good for the Cowboys. Brandon Carr was probably the last "bad" deal. People hated Carr but he got market rate and played out the entire deal.

Verdict said:

Cowboys have more leverage than you think they do with Dak. If the Cowboys tag Dak then he either plays for the Cowboys or he doesn’t play at all.

Dak has NEVER “been paid”. He was a 4th round pick. He isn’t going to pass on playing on a one year contract that will pay him more than his prior 4 years COMBINED. He could but he won’t. While nothing is an absolute the odds of it happening are not worth considering.

In reality, if Dak doesn’t play next year the Cowboys tag him again and he can’t play the following year either. (At least that’s my understanding)

Dak needs long term security. At some point I think he will accept a reasonable contract. If he doesn’t let him sit the year out.

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IDK, he passed on a contract extension that would've paid him a ton last season.

Toruk_Makto said:

Zeke deal aside....because I feel we played ourselves there....most deals over the last decade have been pretty good for the Cowboys. Brandon Carr was probably the last "bad" deal. People hated Carr but he got market rate and played out the entire deal.

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For the type of CB Carr was, he got far above market rate. That was due to our own inability to assess a player's skillset accurately.

silvernblu said:

I think the Cowboys are being quite reasonable. Dak’s agent is being ridiculous and unfortunately is inflating Daks head in the process.

why would he possibly be anywhere near the highest paid QB ever?

Id like to think it’s not Dak, but I’m not entirely sure. How can he be about winning when the contract he wants will prevent building a winning team.

I feel I was so wrong about Daks character. It’s just sad.

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Honestly I think it is makeup for the deal the Cowboys have gotten for the past 4 years, and to be honest it has been a deal, so I understand that aspect from him. He has been well underpaid. THat does not really help the Cowboys cap going forward however and while I am sure Jerry would like to reward him, he can't be foolish about it.

I have no problem with Daks "character". He has valid points to sell!

glimmerman said:

Should have signed him before wentz got his contract. That likely costed them another 3 or 4 million a year.

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I'm actually glad they didn't. I'm willing to pay the extra . 3 or 4 so long as we know we have the guy who can get it done for us. JMO

silvernblu said:

I think the Cowboys are being quite reasonable. Dak’s agent is being ridiculous and unfortunately is inflating Daks head in the process.

why would he possibly be anywhere near the highest paid QB ever?

Id like to think it’s not Dak, but I’m not entirely sure. How can he be about winning when the contract he wants will prevent building a winning team.

I feel I was so wrong about Daks character. It’s just sad.

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I read this post the other day and immediately thought... No Dak's agent is doing what he should be for his client. Getting him every penny.

But the more I think about it the more I think he is screwing this up for Dak. Let's just assume the $32M per year offer they made was legit. He turned it down and played for $2,025,000 this year. Missing out on Roughly $30M. Let's say they are shooting for $40M/yr. ($8M more than offered.) it will take him 4 years just to recoup that money IF he gets the 40M/yr. (I don't see a way he does) So, to me, the agent is failing him

OmerV said:

How do you know what Dak's agent and the Cowboys have talked about in the negotiation? How do we know which side, if either, is being reasonable or unreasonable? And where do we get that Dak expects to be the highest paid QB ever? The only thing I recall Dak ever saying himself is that he does not expect that.

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next time read up before posting. All of your questions have an easy to find answer.

silvernblu said:

next time read up before posting. All of your questions have an easy to find answer.

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No, all of the questions pop in in unsubstantiated reports just like the multitude of unsubstantiated reports that we constantly find don't bear out when it is finally known what happens. I don't blindly buy everything the tabloid media says. Nobody should.

By the way, are you still waiting for that video from 4-5 years ago of Dez beating up the girl in the parking lot to surface? It was reported on the internet, so it HAS TO BE TRUE!

kskboys said:

For the type of CB Carr was, he got far above market rate. That was due to our own inability to assess a player's skillset accurately.

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Meh. First day free agent deals are expensive. That's why we generally avoid it even though everyone gets mad.