Could Rivers be McCarthy's Garcia or Gannon?

Rivers is more washed up than cars at the car wash

Hell no.

Let's be clear. We could have King Kong at QB and it wouldn't make any difference unless we fix the defense and ST. This team has much bigger problems than Dak Prescott.

And Dak only becomes a problem if we overpay him and can't do anything else because of it.

Some people think franchising him solves everything. But it doesn't. That's just a wasted year imo. He has to come in at a rational number or move in another direction with a placeholder vet and the draft.

It's that simple.

CyberB0b said:

He threw 20 picks last yet. He's not a better option than Dak.

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I guess its debatable about Rivers being better than Dak.

I actually think he is as Rivers has gotten the Chargers into the playoffs not getting far when he did.

But what he would be is a cheaper option than Dak and if we committed to drafting a QB in other drafts like in 2021..

then it might be worthwhile. And yes a change might be what Rivers needs. His health has been good over the years.

And yes he is more stationary than Dak is. But we are not looking for him to run the ball but to get rid of it quickly. This he can do.

If we are concerned with having enough to really rebuild under McCarthy, then alternative plans have to be considered.

Paying Dak the moon based on future performance is just a plain pipe dream.

Do you really think Dak is capable of ever throwing as accurately as:

Mahomes or Jackson?

As Brady or Brees?

As Cousins or Garopalo?

I do not think Dak rates anywhere close to these guys throwing the ball.

If not..how do you pay him what he wants?

You don't if you understand the odds against signing a guy like Dak and getting a reasonable return on your investment.

And despite what some might believe, return on investment is Jerrah's whole world.

If Dak gets paid the contract he wants, Jerrah expects a World Championship within a couple of seasons.

And Jerrah should expect it. Romo was working under similar expectations in 2016 when Zeke was drafted and Zack Martin had been signed the year before instead of Johnnie Mansel.

So in making these decisions, alot of things are expected and implied.

Can Dak really do this?

OmerV said:

I suspect Carr would give us something similar to Dak. I just don't see making a change for "something similar". Of course, the contract situation is the big key. If Dak were to demand $10 million/year more than Carr, then maybe you look at a change, but if the contracts are at least in the same neighborhood I wouldn't favor a change.

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It’s ok making a move for something similar to Dak if it cost us less and shorter commitment.

That’s why a Franchise Tag is best option. But if we do that we should draft some leverage or pursue a more proven backup in FA so we don’t have all of our eggs in one basket with Dak.

If he wants to backup then great. Kosar 2.0 works for me.

Diehardblues said:

It’s ok making a move for something similar to Dak if it cost us less and shorter commitment.

That’s why a Franchise Tag is best option. But if we do that we should draft some leverage or pursue a more proven backup in FA so we don’t have all of our eggs in one basket with Dak.

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Does it really make sense to Tag Dak AND spend a high draft pick on a QB in 2020?

We are talking a #1 pick for this QB at least. Probably really adding another pick to any trade to get a top 5 pick needed.

That really ties up money for the Tag and coughing up draft capital needed for other positions.

That is really a risky thing to me.

Let Dak go. Save the cap, go sign a FA QB and draft and sign FAs needed on the roster to plug holes and see where we are.

I believe McCarthy is capable of winning under those conditions and we could really setup 2021 for a huge run at a SB.

Finger and toes crossed.

CouchCoach said:

The word is the Chargers are hot for Herbert and letting Rivers walk and while I admit I didn't watch him play in 2019 as much as I have in the past, he is still one of the most accurate passers and is that guy that can make every throw. He does throw more picks because he does have a little gunslinger in him but he's also 6'5" with a cannon.

I don't know what Big Mike thinks of him but with this offense around him but I think they could get him on a shorter term deal than Prescott. Garcia and Gannon both became better QB's with a change in coaching and were allowed to use their skills.

He is 38 and I don't know how much he would cost but it is an option if Prescott is too set on his contract demands.

I guess the question comes down to which QB you think is the better one but with these weapons around Rivers, it intrigues me to think of him as the DC QB for 2-3 seasons. He's all about getting the ball out and into a playmaker's hands.

The other QB FA's, Brady, Brees, Bridgewater, Keenum, Tannehill don't do a lot for me but Rivers is that guy that has seldom had a really good team around him and he had to carry it too often. I also don't think Brady or Brees hits the bricks and I don't see Bridgewater as an upgrade over Prescott but he might be more affordable.

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So replace a 26 year old QB coming off his best year with a 38 year old coming off his worst?

408Cowboy said:

How much have you actually watched Carr?

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Thanks for this. Replacing Dak with Carr is beyond idiotic. Gruden knows QBs. If he was willing to let Carr go it should tell people something.

The move would have been to sign Dak and trade the man baby RB. Instead they sign the man baby to a record deal and now risk losing Dak. This crap is why Dallas hasn’t won in 25 years.

This is going to be a long off-season...

Redball Express said:

I guess its debatable about Rivers being better than Dak.

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Not really. You can add Carr to that if you want. Dak is better than both of them.

big dog cowboy said:

Not really. You can add Carr to that if you want. Dak is better than both of them.

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When you say better..you mean in 2019 or as over their careers?

Redball Express said:

Does it really make sense to Tag Dak AND spend a high draft pick on a QB in 2020?

We are talking a #1 pick for this QB at least. Probably really adding another pick to any trade to get a top 5 pick needed.

That really ties up money for the Tag and coughing up draft capital needed for other positions.

That is really a risky thing to me.

Let Dak go. Save the cap, go sign a FA QB and draft and sign FAs needed on the roster to plug holes and see where we are.

I believe McCarthy is capable of winning under those conditions and we could really setup 2021 for a huge run at a SB.

Finger and toes crossed.

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I didn’t say use #1 pick or trading up for a higher pick.

Well I guess this thread is a step up from the “ let’s get Case Keenum” thread but barely . These threads are ridiculous .

Nope.

CouchCoach said:

The word is the Chargers are hot for Herbert and letting Rivers walk and while I admit I didn't watch him play in 2019 as much as I have in the past, he is still one of the most accurate passers and is that guy that can make every throw. He does throw more picks because he does have a little gunslinger in him but he's also 6'5" with a cannon.

I don't know what Big Mike thinks of him but with this offense around him but I think they could get him on a shorter term deal than Prescott. Garcia and Gannon both became better QB's with a change in coaching and were allowed to use their skills.

He is 38 and I don't know how much he would cost but it is an option if Prescott is too set on his contract demands.

I guess the question comes down to which QB you think is the better one but with these weapons around Rivers, it intrigues me to think of him as the DC QB for 2-3 seasons. He's all about getting the ball out and into a playmaker's hands.

The other QB FA's, Brady, Brees, Bridgewater, Keenum, Tannehill don't do a lot for me but Rivers is that guy that has seldom had a really good team around him and he had to carry it too often. I also don't think Brady or Brees hits the bricks and I don't see Bridgewater as an upgrade over Prescott but he might be more affordable.

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Rivers ain't a Gannon.

Rivers is a pure pocket passer. He's a thought, but I'd rather have a mobile QB.

Gannon was a nice dink and dunk passer and sturdy runner. In 2018, I thought that was a good model for Dak. Now I think Dak has the better arm going deep.

Tannehill had a crazy season as a passer this year, and he can run. Could be a one hit wonder, but if he can maintain close to that, he's gold.

CATCH17 said:

Enough to know that he would do well in an optimal QB environment.

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That's a pretty generic statement that can be attributed to about any average to above average quarterback. Bus driver types do well in optimal environments.

buybuydandavis said:

Rivers ain't a Gannon.

Rivers is a pure pocket passer. He's a thought, but I'd rather have a mobile QB.

Gannon was a nice dink and dunk passer and sturdy runner. In 2018, I thought that was a good model for Dak. Now I think Dak has the better arm going deep.

Tannehill had a crazy season as a passer this year, and he can run. Could be a one hit wonder, but if he can maintain close to that, he's gold.

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Gannon ran the no huddle pretty damn good too

CouchCoach said:

The word is the Chargers are hot for Herbert and letting Rivers walk and while I admit I didn't watch him play in 2019 as much as I have in the past, he is still one of the most accurate passers and is that guy that can make every throw. He does throw more picks because he does have a little gunslinger in him but he's also 6'5" with a cannon.

I don't know what Big Mike thinks of him but with this offense around him but I think they could get him on a shorter term deal than Prescott. Garcia and Gannon both became better QB's with a change in coaching and were allowed to use their skills.

He is 38 and I don't know how much he would cost but it is an option if Prescott is too set on his contract demands.

I guess the question comes down to which QB you think is the better one but with these weapons around Rivers, it intrigues me to think of him as the DC QB for 2-3 seasons. He's all about getting the ball out and into a playmaker's hands.

The other QB FA's, Brady, Brees, Bridgewater, Keenum, Tannehill don't do a lot for me but Rivers is that guy that has seldom had a really good team around him and he had to carry it too often. I also don't think Brady or Brees hits the bricks and I don't see Bridgewater as an upgrade over Prescott but he might be more affordable.

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Please stop.

The Jones boys are not letting Dak leave.

Quit wasting time on something that won't happen.

Dak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivers