1-1 and some are giving up a season

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one of the most surprising things that happened to me last sunday wasn't the cowboys meltdown and their defenses inability to hold the line at a critical time. but rather, what happened after the game. a close friend called me up and the 1st thing he said was "well, we can get in the playoffs without winning the division".

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how far back are we really? 1/2 a game? the giants did a great job of taking that 2-0 lead not just in the standings, but in the division as well and yes, it's a hole to dig out of. not a crater and not the grand canyon. but the reaction of some of the fans is just amazing to me.

so do i not care enough or do some care too much? both?

we knew going in we had a team full of question marks yet so few fans seem to have the patience to answer them. for years we've heard about the potential of miles austin and now that it's his time to get up and show off, people want to bring in another "vet" WR. i can only imagine these are the same people who are upset we don't groom our own WR's as well.

the rabid fan tends to be short sighted in my experience. we didn't win - do something. NOW. so they rush to the obvious and hammer on it as if they know what they're doing.

i will agree in many ways this is likely a lame duck season but we have to play it as it comes. jones isn't likely to fire wade during the season and who knows what he'll do after the season. well, outside of fire wade. you see, i don't feel there is any way possible wade comes back next year. jones will stand by him during the contract then it will be time to make a change.

we don't win the superbowl (brace yourselves, it could happen) wade goes.
we win, he goes out on top. but either way i'm going to watch the season and not worry about what we do in 6 months. you seem to miss the point of football and the entire NFL season by doing that.

for all the talent this team has i can't see them in the same league as the giants yet. or pittsburgh. the elite teams come to play every day and yes, have bad games, but they can get through them. they step up at critical times and make the play that has to be made.

this current roster is still trying to find that "desire". no, i don't think mr "aw shucks" will ever give them that desire.

what i do find encouraging is the team is rallying around romo. gurode, bennett and others have spoken in his behalf recently and stood up for their QB. actions like this will pull a team together. we saw last year how to divide a team and it will take time for the counter measures to kick in fully.

after the 1st game of the season where we won, i was talking to that same friend and he asked what we should expect of the 2009 dallas cowboys. i said you've seen it. they'll have good moments, and they'll have terrible moments, and both will happen at extreme times. this year moreso than many others will be a rollercoaster year full of great moments we'll remember, and terrible moments we'll never forget.

for all the talent this team has they still don't have an identity. until that is found, they'll be a group of talented athletes doing their job, great at times, maddening at others. but this is the 2009 cowboys season in a nutshell.

some ice-facts to carry you through however:
1) jones is going nowhere. i'd like to shoot people with a really cool rubber band gun every time they say JONES MUST GO! he's not stepping down and he's not hiring a GM. i pity the people who can't see that and continue to ask for it as if it's some sign of intelligence, not a lack thereof.

2) Parcells wasn't the answer. well, that depends on the question but to this day people still think Parcells was a God among men. ok, i exaggurate, but many still think he was our last great hope. funny how we hate the no playoff win streak but parcells isn't included there. he gets the "he had to clean up a mess" free pass. maybe he did, but he had many years to WIN NOW and failed. he's 0-2 in miami and that alone bring me joy. not because miami is losing but because the rabid fan won't be saying how stupid we were for letting sprano go now. they only notice those winning.

3) fans will be fans on all spectrums. the whiners, those like me whining about the whining, and the true fan who knows the game and can't find good places to talk cowboys w/o the whiners whining on either side. 3 frustrated groups on a popular board is hard to promote fun conversations. : )

4) wade will be collectively fired by fans approximately 189,348,934 times before this sesaon is through.

5) he still won't catch those calling for jones' ouster.
 

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As they say the season is a marathon not a sprint. Teams evolve over the course of 16 games most will experience some highs and lows throughout the season.
 

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I don't know if its giving up on the season but some are delusional if you think this is a 12-4 team. 9-7 seems right. Romo will be great and awful too. The pass rush does not exist yet and the same poor tackling and penalty problems that plaqued the last few seasons are still evident.

9-7. Im standing by the record.
 

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Joe Realist;2964049 said:
I don't know if its giving up on the season but some are delusional if you think this is a 12-4 team. 9-7 seems right. Romo will be great and awful too. The pass rush does not exist yet and the same poor tackling and penalty problems that plaqued the last few seasons are still evident.

9-7. Im standing by the record.

Right now this is a 1-1 team I don't know if they will be 12-4, 11-5 or 9-7. As for penalties? 4 is nothing like 10 or 12 that we were getting last season not by a long shot
 

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The whining is silly. And those who are whining seem to mostly know about whining rather than football. It's like they expect an undefeated season and it's like they don't realize that we go back to NY again. Yes, it was a division game, but it's not the end of the world if we lose it. And those calling for Romo's, Garrett's, Phillip's, Jones', Scandrick, etc. are just blinded by their own stupidity, thus letting their emotions get the best of their ability to reason.

We're a good team and it's too early in the season. Many are too bent on the idea that we should be undefeated that they can't enjoy the fact we have a good team.

The negative nancys enjoy losing. Otherwise, they wouldn't be happy because there would be nothing to be negative about.
 

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Joe Realist;2964049 said:
I don't know if its giving up on the season but some are delusional if you think this is a 12-4 team. 9-7 seems right. Romo will be great and awful too. The pass rush does not exist yet and the same poor tackling and penalty problems that plaqued the last few seasons are still evident.

9-7. Im standing by the record.

well the point is, i'm not going to make rash judgements over 1 bad game by the team.

i won't yell at romo for 2 1/2 interceptions (the bounce was just freaky) and if you look back, every single bounce went their way.

how often is that going to happen? throw a couple our way as things even out, we won that game. if we held them in the final drive, would we be a 12-4 team then?

i still wouldn' think so. this team will just be too up and down. but it could happen and i prefer to wait and see and watch a little bit more of the season before i call our record, predict our next head coach, and begin the draft process.

all before the 1st month is even played.
 

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That was a game we should have won. If you look at the schedule that game could be the difference between 10-6 and 9-7. 9-7 would be a failure IMO.
 

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LRcowboy Fan;2964063 said:
That was a game we should have won. If you look at the schedule that game could be the difference between 10-6 and 9-7. 9-7 would be a failure IMO.

and we've won games we should have lost before too, right? could be we'll do it again this year and even it up.
 

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CowboyMcCoy;2964058 said:
The whining is silly. And those who are whining seem to mostly know about whining rather than football. It's like they expect an undefeated season and it's like they don't realize that we go back to NY again. Yes, it was a division game, but it's not the end of the world if we lose it. And those calling for Romo's, Garrett's, Phillip's, Jones', Scandrick, etc. are just blinded by their own stupidity, thus letting their emotions get the best of their ability to reason.

We're a good team and it's too early in the season. Many are too bent on the idea that we should be undefeated that they can't enjoy the fact we have a good team.

The negative nancys enjoy losing. Otherwise, they wouldn't be happy because there would be nothing to be negative about.
Nobody enjoys seeing their team lose. Too many people here are still clinging to 2007. I WANT them to win but am not a blind homer to what reality may actually be.
 

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iceberg;2964029 said:
1-1 and some are giving up a season

Its really just the usual cast of the Eeyore club.

There are a few new sad sacks joining in ..... but mostly its the same guys who cry about everything from Jerry to Romo every time we lose a game.

I enjoy their misery and the knowledge that the next time we win a Superbowl ..... they will not enjoy it as much because they spent the entire year spouting Doom and Gloom.
 

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There are a lot of valid points made in your argument.

For myself, I am looking at things from a "broader perspective".

I believe the mistakes that occurred on Sunday Night were indicative of a "larger" problem with this team that fans have seen quite a bit under Wade Phillips' tenure (Bill Parcells as well).

I don't think Wade Phillips inspires players and he has never proven that he can take a Football Team to the next level. Jerry Jones definately doesn't appeared to be inspired by Wade Phillips, or he wouldn't allow Wade Phillips to go into this season as a lame duck.

Under Bill Parcells, we started going to the Playoffs, which was an accomplishment given the talent level we had.

Wade Phillips' job was to take the team to the next level, and many felt the way this would be done was to take the 3-4 Defense to the next level.

Again, you have opposing players state that the Cowboys defenders look confused (one of those who made that claim is our backup QB) and constantly yell at each other. Kevin Burnett confirmed this last year.

The "Broader Perspective" is that this team lacks leadership, accountability (Terence Newman confirmed this on ESPN First Take) and "mental toughness".

The season isn't over but I can't help but take a sarcastic approach to the season when I have seen some of the nonesense we saw Sunday quite a bit.
 

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Joe Realist;2964068 said:
Nobody enjoys seeing their team lose. Too many people here are still clinging to 2007. I WANT them to win but am not a blind homer to what reality may actually be.

oh, i've come to find most of the blind homers know who they are and are ok with it. but the term has lost meaning over the years because of our own desire to tag people who don't jump on the whine-train as "blind-homers".

i've said many times where our team is in my mind and the problems they face. i've said plainly they'll be an up and down team this year in search of an identity.

hardly glowing praise is it? does it sound "real" to you?

i just don't get the "OFF WITH THEIR HEAD" mentality that if you disagree we don't need to get that drastic, you're herded into the I LOVE JONES crowd.

there's a million points between black and white that so many people simply bypass to ensure their discussions stay on the extreme where they can understand it and keep yelling.
 

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iceberg;2964029 said:
one of the most surprising things that happened to me last sunday wasn't the cowboys meltdown and their defenses inability to hold the line at a critical time. but rather, what happened after the game. a close friend called me up and the 1st thing he said was "well, we can get in the playoffs without winning the division".

2-0
1-1

how far back are we really? 1/2 a game? the giants did a great job of taking that 2-0 lead not just in the standings, but in the division as well and yes, it's a hole to dig out of. not a crater and not the grand canyon. but the reaction of some of the fans is just amazing to me.

so do i not care enough or do some care too much? both?

we knew going in we had a team full of question marks yet so few fans seem to have the patience to answer them. for years we've heard about the potential of miles austin and now that it's his time to get up and show off, people want to bring in another "vet" WR. i can only imagine these are the same people who are upset we don't groom our own WR's as well.

the rabid fan tends to be short sighted in my experience. we didn't win - do something. NOW. so they rush to the obvious and hammer on it as if they know what they're doing.

i will agree in many ways this is likely a lame duck season but we have to play it as it comes. jones isn't likely to fire wade during the season and who knows what he'll do after the season. well, outside of fire wade. you see, i don't feel there is any way possible wade comes back next year. jones will stand by him during the contract then it will be time to make a change.

we don't win the superbowl (brace yourselves, it could happen) wade goes.
we win, he goes out on top. but either way i'm going to watch the season and not worry about what we do in 6 months. you seem to miss the point of football and the entire NFL season by doing that.

for all the talent this team has i can't see them in the same league as the giants yet. or pittsburgh. the elite teams come to play every day and yes, have bad games, but they can get through them. they step up at critical times and make the play that has to be made.

this current roster is still trying to find that "desire". no, i don't think mr "aw shucks" will ever give them that desire.

what i do find encouraging is the team is rallying around romo. gurode, bennett and others have spoken in his behalf recently and stood up for their QB. actions like this will pull a team together. we saw last year how to divide a team and it will take time for the counter measures to kick in fully.

after the 1st game of the season where we won, i was talking to that same friend and he asked what we should expect of the 2009 dallas cowboys. i said you've seen it. they'll have good moments, and they'll have terrible moments, and both will happen at extreme times. this year moreso than many others will be a rollercoaster year full of great moments we'll remember, and terrible moments we'll never forget.

for all the talent this team has they still don't have an identity. until that is found, they'll be a group of talented athletes doing their job, great at times, maddening at others. but this is the 2009 cowboys season in a nutshell.

some ice-facts to carry you through however:
1) jones is going nowhere. i'd like to shoot people with a really cool rubber band gun every time they say JONES MUST GO! he's not stepping down and he's not hiring a GM. i pity the people who can't see that and continue to ask for it as if it's some sign of intelligence, not a lack thereof.

2) Parcells wasn't the answer. well, that depends on the question but to this day people still think Parcells was a God among men. ok, i exaggurate, but many still think he was our last great hope. funny how we hate the no playoff win streak but parcells isn't included there. he gets the "he had to clean up a mess" free pass. maybe he did, but he had many years to WIN NOW and failed. he's 0-2 in miami and that alone bring me joy. not because miami is losing but because the rabid fan won't be saying how stupid we were for letting sprano go now. they only notice those winning.

3) fans will be fans on all spectrums. the whiners, those like me whining about the whining, and the true fan who knows the game and can't find good places to talk cowboys w/o the whiners whining on either side. 3 frustrated groups on a popular board is hard to promote fun conversations. : )

4) wade will be collectively fired by fans approximately 189,348,934 times before this sesaon is through.

5) he still won't catch those calling for jones' ouster.

another thread where alpha male super fan attacks the other side how original.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2964076 said:
another thread where alpha male super fan attacks the other side how original.

And what about the sarcastic tone in this line? What is that?


Yeah, thought so.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2964071 said:
There are a lot of valid points made in your argument.

For myself, I am looking at things from a "broader perspective".

I believe the mistakes that occurred on Sunday Night were indicative of a "larger" problem with this team that fans have seen quite a bit under Wade Phillips' tenure (Bill Parcells as well).

I don't think Wade Phillips inspires players and he has never proven that he can take a Football Team to the next level. Jerry Jones definately doesn't appeared to be inspired by Wade Phillips, or he wouldn't allow Wade Phillips to go into this season as a lame duck.

i see jones as a loyalist and someone who has to be backed into admitting a mistake. when we hired wade, who was our other best bet - norm? that's not working out very well is it? singletary? i wanted to give him a shot but we had our young guy in training already w/garrett.

what i don't get is what's highlighted - seems to contradict. can you elaborate? i would think if jones wasn't inspired by wade, or at least willing to see the contract through, he'd let him go before this season started.

Under Bill Parcells, we started going to the Playoffs, which was an accomplishment given the talent level we had.

Wade Phillips' job was to take the team to the next level, and many felt the way this would be done was to take the 3-4 Defense to the next level.

you're right. but parcells got there, lost, missed twice and lost again and was done. so in essence parcells had 4 years to win and wade only has 2 before he's being shown the door. he did give back a much improved team than what he got - to be sure. but i don't think he was done just yet making the cowboys a powerhouse. could he have done it? we'll never know. i don't think so but i'm in a minority here cause many love the no-nonsense of parcells. at times i did too. after awhile it got as old as wades "oh, we're ok..." mentality.

we're not ok. get a plan and get it going or go.

Again, you have opposing players state that the Cowboys defenders look confused (one of those who made that claim is our backup QB) and constantly yell at each other. Kevin Burnett confirmed this last year.

you mean like brandon jacobs? : )

i'm sure at times we have seemed confused, it happens. but this is why i think it's a dangerous game to make your head coach your D coordinator also and right now the coaching situation is just a mess. not because they can't coach but because jones is putting people where they don't belong and trying to make the pieces fit.

that's jones biggest problem is he can be as short sighted as many fans. other times, far too patient and loyal. but last year is over and this year i'm hearing a team come together after a loss, not look to lay blame.

i can dig that change.

The "Broader Perspective" is that this team lacks leadership, accountability (Terence Newman confirmed this on ESPN First Take) and "mental toughness".

The season isn't over but I can't help but take a sarcastic approach to the season when I have seen some of the nonesense we saw Sunday quite a bit.

which is why i said this team has no identity. amazing for the worlds most popular football team to be in such a situation but, the pieces are just not coming together.

they still may. we've got quite a bit more football left before we'll know.
 

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DaBoys4Life;2964076 said:
another thread where alpha male super fan attacks the other side how original.

i'm attacking stupidity. if that's your side, you put yourself there, not me.

can you go start a few more jones must go threads? we're running low today.
 

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iceberg;2964094 said:
i'm attacking stupidity. if that's your side, you put yourself there, not me.

can you go start a few more jones must go threads? we're running low today.

Aw, I was looking forward to an "off with Romo's head" thread.

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iceberg;2964094 said:
i'm attacking stupidity. if that's your side, you put yourself there, not me.

can you go start a few more jones must go threads? we're running low today.

Yawn.
 

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losing always sucks, but the following things make this loss suck more, so deal with it. Quit whining about other people whining. It's even more annoying.

1) We lost to the Giants, a team I hate more than any other
2) We lost to the Giants at home
3) We lost to the Giants in the opening of our new stadium which is even more embarrassing because
4)... we also lost the last game in Texas Stadium, which sucks because it confirms
5)... that we have a lame head coach and that our team is apparently unwilling to get up for big games

what a waste. we killed ourselves with the same stupid bull**** that has plagued us for too long now.
 
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