1:24 on the clock

[CATCH17]

I debated with myself about kneeling it down right there but I felt like getting closer to field goal range was more important.

I don't disagree with the run.

I disagree with the official waiting to call holding after Tanner was 5 yards past Smith just so they could make the game interesting.

 

[calico]

It was 3rd and 14 with 1:14 on the clock at the 35, let's say Tony takes the ball back some 10 yards to the 45 and kneels down taking some 7 or 8 seconds off the clock, that leaves 1:07 plus the 40 (you take the delay of game) that leaves 27 seconds before the punt. Say the punt takes 6 seconds and you leave Detroit at the 20 at best with 21 seconds without a TO. thats the ball game right there.

All we needed to win was for our QB to take a knee, how sad is that.

Exactly. I couldn't believe redball didn't call the qb kneel there to run most of the time off the clock.

 

[links18]

I am agnostic on the kneel down. I suppose the logic is to prevent a possible turnover or ticky tack penalty, but there is really no excuse for the blatant hold Tyron committed. Don't give the refs an excuse to prolong the game. Someone needed to get in the players' heads prior to that series to make sure that didn't happen.

 

[joseephuss]

Why do people keep saying they ran the ball outside? It didn't look like an outside run to me at all. It looked like Tanner bounced it outside, which made Smith's hold look more obvious. If Tanner keeps running into the correct hole then maybe the refs don't see the hold.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Why do people keep saying they ran the ball outside?

Don't know, I also don't know why people keep saying punt when they were in easy field goal range.

They had three plays to get 10 yards, if they had, they could have then took a knee and ran out the rest of the clock. That's what they were trying to do, but failed.

Kneeling would have been a good alternative, they would still have two downs to run most of the time off the clock.

If either had been done effectively, the Cowboys most likely win.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I am tired of seeing us, and most other teams as well I guess, .. get all scared and play not to lose in that situation. Why not try to make a first down in any fashion that the defense is giving you.

If they stack the line, throw a short pass, ... if they play pass, run the middle.

Try to get the first down !! If we keep getting first downs, guess what?? The other team never gets a chance to beat our defense.

I always know when I am figuring how much time is left, timeouts, etc. .. that we will run three times and kick, .. every single time !!

I would rather fail "trying to win", than fail "trying not to lose."

 

[links18]

I am tired of seeing us, and most other teams as well I guess, .. get all scared and play not to lose in that situation. Why not try to make a first down in any fashion that the defense is giving you.

If they stack the line, throw a short pass, ... if they play pass, run the middle.

Try to get the first down !! If we keep getting first downs, guess what?? The other team never gets a chance to beat our defense.

I always know when I am figuring how much time is left, timeouts, etc. .. that we will run three times and kick, .. every single time !!

I would rather fail "trying to win", than fail "trying not to lose."

Remember 2006 vs. the undefeated Colts? Protecting a lead and needing to kill the clock Parcells/Payton called a roll out pass to a TE for a First down. Ever seen such a thing from this group?

 

[tecolote]

Why do people keep saying they ran the ball outside? It didn't look like an outside run to me at all. It looked like Tanner bounced it outside, which made Smith's hold look more obvious. If Tanner keeps running into the correct hole then maybe the refs don't see the hold.

In that situation, coming off a timeout, the HC has to tell the RB to keep it simple, yards were not important at that point, just time. If he was going to call a run, Garrett should have told Tanner to just go into the pile, try to milk the clock as much as possible and to go down. I would bet my life he did nor do that.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Ever seen such a thing from this group?

Sadly, .. no.

Too scared that they might make a mistake, so they do everything by the book. Never thinking outside the box.

A few years ago, WV had the chance to upset Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. We had jumped out to a 28-0 lead, but throughout the game they had battled back.
They had it down to a one score game, and we were forced to punt. Our Defense was worn out, .. it looked like they would score in the last minute and win the game.

WV faked the punt, picked up the first down and held on for the win.

They were thinking outside the box, took a chance, .. it paid off and they won the game.
To this day I still believe that if we had punted that Georgia would have gone down and scored to win. They had all of the momentum at that time.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I think they should have gone for it on 4th down myself. The benefit from a FG was not that big as shown and the possibility of a 4th down slant pass for a first down was high in my view.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I think they should have gone for it on 4th down myself. The benefit from a FG was not that big as shown and the possibility of a 4th down slant pass for a first down was high in my view.

True.

Or even try that on an earlier down, .. say maybe first down. What a great idea, .. try to actually pick up the first down. Now there is an idea.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

People are also forgetting the 3rd down call before the two minute warning. We saved the Lions a timeout which they graciously used after they turned it over on downs. Without that timeout, we go into victory formation at the end and win the game.

 

[joseephuss]

People are also forgetting the 3rd down call before the two minute warning. We saved the Lions a timeout which they graciously used after they turned it over on downs. Without that timeout, we go into victory formation at the end and win the game.

So, Dallas should have gone for it on 4th down late, but should not have passed for it on 3rd down the series earlier? Seems like know matter what they did you would say do the opposite.

 

[rcaldw]

This is the kind of nonsense i'm talking about.

Kneel down?

Concede the off chance of getting a 1st down?

Silly.

We don't get that hold and the Lions have 20 seconds to drive for a TD.

But it's Garret's fault.

Went on the road against a good team...dropped 30 on their head...lose on a last minute drive that doesn't occur if not for a holding call.

And heck i'm not a blame the ref kind of guy. But I won't lie. Was furious on that Scandrik PI....which was the same exact situation that occurred earlier in the day when the refs picked up the flag.

But whatever. Blame Garret. Let's get another coach. Start all over. Hey let's switch defensive and offensive schemes while we are at it. And then in the 3 years it takes to get personnel in place let's start over!

You are right, but of course you will get shouted down or ignored.

I do blame Garrett for one thing. There comes a time that you rip into a referee like nobody's business and the time was the Scandrick call. If the first one gets picked up then that one HAS TO GET PICKED UP. He is way to calm when we get absolutely ripped off. To be calm as a rule is right. To explode on occasion is necessary. In fact I think it is time for the Cowboys as an organization to point out how uneven the officiating has been against us lately.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

So, Dallas should have gone for it on 4th down late, but should not have passed for it on 3rd down the series earlier? Seems like know matter what they did you would say do the opposite.

not at all

the 4th down call wouldn't matter if incomplete and the clock stops on change of possession anyway. On 3rd down, it was 3rd and very long, unlikely to get it, better to force them to burn a timeout at that juncture.

 

[joseephuss]

not at all

the 4th down call wouldn't matter if incomplete and the clock stops on change of possession anyway. On 3rd down, it was 3rd and very long, unlikely to get it, better to force them to burn a timeout at that juncture.

And you have no idea if a run was called, but checked out of by Romo.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Oh yes I do because if it had been, Garrett would have made sure the entire world knew.

 

[jobberone]

If they take a knee there, they win. That's all I'm saying. Of course Garrett would never do it, I really think it never crossed his mind. He is very limited in that regard.

And he wasn't trying to get a first at that point, he was trying to run some clock.

Well in retrospect more time would have been run off if they had known ahead of time someone was going to commit a stupid penalty on 3rd down but no one is clairvoyant so you can throw that out the window. He did what you should do. The only criticism is he didn't go for it on 4th down which most coaches wouldn't do either although he should have strongly considered it. The safe bet is to make them get the ball into the end zone by putting your defense on the field. They should have at least made it more interesting than 4 plays.

 

[Ultra Warrior]

If we knelt down on that 3rd down run the holding play would not have happened.

BS. You don't HOLD on the play, the HOLD doesn't happen.

 

[JD_KaPow]

I think they should have gone for it on 4th down myself. The benefit from a FG was not that big as shown and the possibility of a 4th down slant pass for a first down was high in my view.

Sorry, just don't see it. The benefit of the field goal is huge, 30+ yards of field position required. And we were 3-13 on third-down conversions on the game. Worse, we converted a 3rd-and-1, a 3rd-and-3, and a single 3rd-and-5. Meanwhile, we failed on a 3rd-and-2, a 3rd-and-5, and three different 3rd-and-6s. In my view, based on the numbers and what I'd seen throughout the game, the possibility for a conversion was not high at all.