1 Tech vs 3 Tech

[Billyd]

I don't think a 1 tech is actually suppose to penetrate or collapse the pocket. His main ob objective is to create an immovable wall so that the rest of the defense can work with half of the line. The other team will put two men their to try and move the wall so they are not a one dimensional team. Really don't understand why we are so against having that wall. There are players that can penetrate and collapse the pocket while actually moving the wall. Just don't see why we can't see the value in it. It frees up the 3 tech and everyone else.

I hope there is some way that Vea falls to 19

WHEN you can anticipate where the doubles are coming it gets much easier to rush the passer. ESPECIALLY on stunts. Lol

 

[Billyd]

Understanding Jerry speak is a chore, but I believe he meant the team wouldn't have a pure 'X' akin to Dez Bryant this season.

Allen Hurns is definitely capable, but he has also done really well working out of the slot, so he isn't just an 'X' receiver.

Noah Brown is also an 'X" receiver, he's almost as unproven as any rookie that gets added to the mix, though.

JERRY is a parrott with crappy translation..What it means is depending on whether they decide to take Ridley or Moore or no wr in the first round, production may suffer while we recover from our ___up!

 

[charron]

Because Rod believes that all his 1 tech needs to do is occupy the center and guard. Pushing the pocket isn't a requirement, just stalemate them so everyone else gets 1 on 1 matchups and they must beat their guy.

 

[Billyd]

Because Rod believes that all his 1 tech needs to do is occupy the center and guard. Pushing the pocket isn't a requirement, just stalemate them so everyone else gets 1 on 1 matchups and they must beat their guy.

Yeah, its a frustrating deal. Especially when you recognize who he had at the three tech.. I really dont buy the 6.1 300 or 6-5 290 guys at tackle..Min 310, and now days these fatties are running sub five 40s..

These creatures that are 335 and have a sub 5 40, who can lock, penetrate at will need to be signed and paid..Some dont last as long but the benefit they produce is mind boggling. SIGN vea, Payne is a freak of nature as well.

 

[Blitzen]

What is this team's infatuation with 3 Tech vs 1 Tech? Why not draft a real 1 Tech. Why not have a guy who can physically collapse the pocket, not just penetrate?

What cant they be moved around (switched positions inside). Is there a specific reason not to flip them?

Rod likes quick slanting guys all over the line with the object being to raise as much havoc behind the line of scrimmage as possible. He doesn't see the point in a guy either occupying blocks or just pushing the pocket some.

 

[BlindFaith]

Vea had twice as many sacks(15) than Cox had in College(7.5) while both playing 3 seasons.

So Cox was a disruptive force in college, what was Vea?

Vea had 9.5 sacks. Stats wise they were about the same.

But Coxs game translated better to the NFL. Vea is a one trick pony.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What is this team's infatuation with 3 Tech vs 1 Tech? Why not draft a real 1 Tech. Why not have a guy who can physically collapse the pocket, not just penetrate?

What cant they be moved around (switched positions inside). Is there a specific reason not to flip them?

Dumbest thing I ever heard. You need 2 good DT's. Get them however you can no matter what the size or shape. As long as they can ball.

 

[charron]

Dumbest thing I ever heard. You need 2 good DT's. Get them however you can no matter what the size or shape. As long as they can ball.

That is not how it works. For example...

We drafted collins in the 3rd round and he had a great rookie year getting 5 sacks playing the 3 tech. Now his second year people say he sucked cause he was moved to 1 tech out of need. 1 tech guys don't usually rack up much stats. McClain was the best 1tech we had in recent years, able to take on 2 OL shed and tackle rb's. Most just aren't that good as their college production is misleading.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That is not how it works. For example...

We drafted collins in the 3rd round and he had a great rookie year getting 5 sacks playing the 3 tech. Now his second year people say he sucked cause he was moved to 1 tech out of need. 1 tech guys don't usually rack up much stats. McClain was the best 1tech we had in recent years, able to take on 2 OL shed and tackle rb's. Most just aren't that good as their college production is misleading.

Yah, but what I'm saying is the differential and what you need is hogwash to me. I say forget the 1 tech and the 3 or whatever ridiculous scheme Marinelli has. Draft the best DT and be done with it. I don't care what technique they think he is. Didn't we pass on Aaron Donald because he didn't fit our scheme?

 

[CowboyRoy]

That is not how it works. For example...

We drafted collins in the 3rd round and he had a great rookie year getting 5 sacks playing the 3 tech. Now his second year people say he sucked cause he was moved to 1 tech out of need. 1 tech guys don't usually rack up much stats. McClain was the best 1tech we had in recent years, able to take on 2 OL shed and tackle rb's. Most just aren't that good as their college production is misleading.

And FYI.........McClain was never good at all.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Vea had 9.5 sacks. Stats wise they were about the same.

But Coxs game translated better to the NFL. Vea is a one trick pony.

So you havent watched him

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

And FYI.........McClain was never good at all.

But he is the best 1T we've had in a very long time.... so what he said stands.

 

[xwalker]

What is this team's infatuation with 3 Tech vs 1 Tech? Why not draft a real 1 Tech. Why not have a guy who can physically collapse the pocket, not just penetrate?

What cant they be moved around (switched positions inside). Is there a specific reason not to flip them?

What do you mean by flip them. They are not right/left specific; although, the 3tech does play on the right more often.

In obviously passing situations they play two 3techs with a wide gap between them. A pure 1tech won't play in these situations.

One thing people overlook is that the super fat run stuffers with limited movement skills have basically dissappeared from the NFL because of the Zone Run Scheme. DL have to flow laterally down the line against Zone Stretch type run plays.

Gilbert Brown comes to mind. In the nineties he was one of those super fat run stuffers. They list him as 6-2, 340 but I think he was more than 340 and maybe way more later in his career. He was impossible to move but since he retired many teams have switched to Zone and many others use it part of the time. In the same timeframe the NFL became much more of a passing league which also reduced the need for super fat boys.

 

[Bluefin]

I say forget the 1 tech and the 3 or whatever ridiculous scheme Marinelli has. Draft the best DT and be done with it. I don't care what technique they think he is.

All the technique means is how the DT lines up. The 3T is on the outside shoulder of a guard, the 1T is slanted to the other side of the C.

The scheme was designed to promote one on one match-ups for the 3T and the WDE, but it doesn't guarantee it. OL can find ways to double whoever they want, that's why Rod Marinelli rants about getting 4 Rushmen who can get up the field.

You can't double them all.

Didn't we pass on Aaron Donald because he didn't fit our scheme?

Dallas was dying to select Aaron Donald to be the 3T and he went off the board 3 picks ahead of us, Ryan Shazier went one pick ahead.

We settled for Zack Martin.

 

[charron]

Yah, but what I'm saying is the differential and what you need is hogwash to me. I say forget the 1 tech and the 3 or whatever ridiculous scheme Marinelli has. Draft the best DT and be done with it. I don't care what technique they think he is. Didn't we pass on Aaron Donald because he didn't fit our scheme?

What i was saying is they are not interchangeable. They have completely different responcibilities, different skillsets are needed to perform well.

 

[kskboys]

Let's start with learning what the definition of penetration is..then we can move on

OMG, are you like 12? Holy Jehosophat, your little zinger is so cute and amusing. Got another really lame cheap shot to throw around to make you feel better about yourself?!! Seriously, this is a riot!!!

 

[Hadenough]

The Cowboys front office wouldnt recognize a game changing DT like Vea if he fell right into their lap. Vea is a 340lb athletic run stuffing pass rushing animal and will be a starter day 1.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I'm a huge 1 tech guy, and I think Vea is more of a 2nd round talent. Why? Slow get off. IMO, Vea isn't quick enough off the ball to take in the first.

And here I thought you'd be all happy, with it finally looking like we were finally targeting a pocket pushing 1tech.

 

[John813]

The Cowboys front office wouldnt recognize a game changing DT like Vea if he fell right into their lap. Vea is a 340lb athletic run stuffing pass rushing animal and will be a starter day 1.

Which is why rumors have him being the #1 guy they want in the draft, followed by LVE and Moore?

All the technique means is how the DT lines up. The 3T is on the outside shoulder of a guard, the 1T is slanted to the other side of the C.

The scheme was designed to promote one on one match-ups for the 3T and the WDE, but it doesn't guarantee it. OL can find ways to double whoever they want, that's why Rod Marinelli rants about getting 4 Rushmen who can get up the field.

You can't double them all.



Dallas was dying to select Aaron Donald to be the 3T and he went off the board 3 picks ahead of us, Ryan Shazier went one pick ahead.

We settled for Zack Martin.

Please post more Bluefin.

 

[Whyjerry]

What is this team's infatuation with 3 Tech vs 1 Tech? Why not draft a real 1 Tech. Why not have a guy who can physically collapse the pocket, not just penetrate?

What cant they be moved around (switched positions inside). Is there a specific reason not to flip them?

They have not had a real monster DT in forever. Poor Collins was out of position last year but they like to do that here. Get guys in spots where they do not excel and than chirp about position flex.