105.3 has upset me: Emmitt vs Barry

[CATCH17]

So I'm listening to 105.3 the fan and they say that Barry is better than Emmitt and it's not debatable for anyone outside of the metroplex and then 2 seconds later they say Jerry Rice is better than Randy Moss and it's not debatable.


To me... Emmitt and Jerry are the same. Jerry and Emmitt both weren't the biggest, strongest, or fastest but they were warriors who got it done in the biggest moments and have titles and all kinds of records to show for it.


Barry and Randy share the same thing. Immense physical ability and nothing to show for it. Heck... I would take a young Adrian Peterson over Barry Sanders.

I just don't understand though how you can just not apply the same rules to Jerry Rice as you do Emmitt smith when they are basically the same player at different positions.

 

[CashMan]

So I'm listening to 105.3 the fan and they say that Barry is better than Emmitt and it's not debatable for anyone outside of the metroplex and then 2 seconds later they say Jerry Rice is better than Randy Moss and it's not debatable.


To me... Emmitt and Jerry are the same. Jerry and Emmitt both weren't the biggest, strongest, or fastest but they were warriors who got it done in the biggest moments and have titles and all kinds of records to show for it.


Barry and Randy share the same thing. Immense physical ability and nothing to show for it. Heck... I would take a young Adrian Peterson over Barry Sanders.

I just don't understand though how you can just not apply the same rules to Jerry Rice as you do Emmitt smith when they are basically the same player at different positions.

Name Barry Sanders offensive line.

Now name Emmitt's.

 

[CATCH17]

Name Barry Sanders offensive line.

Now name Emmitt's.

Ok..


Can you remember a game we won without Emmitt? I can remember winning without Troy.. Never without Emmitt...

That Oline was great. I'm not going to deny it but a famous quote from the 90's from Nate Newton was that they were just a bunch of guys until Emmitt got there.





Also, name Jerry Rice's QB's for most of his career.. Now name Moss's.



My problem is that Emmitt gets graded on a different scale than Jerry Rice when they are the exact same player.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Name Barry Sanders offensive line.

Now name Emmitt's.

Did Emmit have anyone drafted higher than the 3rd round on his OL? Did Emmit have castoffs from other teams on his OL? Are any of Emmits great wall on the HOF? They were great as a unit. They had great coaching. But lets not act like they were 5 blue chippers. Other guys ran behind this same OL when Emmit was out....and did not look like a HOFer. And Emmit also blocked and caught passes. Emmit also got a steady 4+ yards. Emmit was savage around the goaline and in short yardage. Barry was electric....but give me Emmit all day. And during Barrys prime...the Lions had the highest paid OL in the league.

 

[zack]

So I'm listening to 105.3 the fan and they say that Barry is better than Emmitt and it's not debatable for anyone outside of the metroplex and then 2 seconds later they say Jerry Rice is better than Randy Moss and it's not debatable.


To me... Emmitt and Jerry are the same. Jerry and Emmitt both weren't the biggest, strongest, or fastest but they were warriors who got it done in the biggest moments and have titles and all kinds of records to show for it.


Barry and Randy share the same thing. Immense physical ability and nothing to show for it. Heck... I would take a young Adrian Peterson over Barry Sanders.

I just don't understand though how you can just not apply the same rules to Jerry Rice as you do Emmitt smith when they are basically the same player at different positions.

Don't feel bad. You could have been me growing up in metro Detroit during this era. I could never win this arguement. I would say that the only time I got traction was when Barry QUIT on his team.

One of the biggest problems I have with everyone's argument is that Barry had a bad line. That's completely false. People actually think that Barry could run for 2000 yards on his own.

The other argument was that if he had The Dallas offensive line/Moose. A guy I played with in college had the oppprtunity to be a FB for Barry playing against the Giants. My former teammate was not a FB in college, but a LB. watching the game, he made several crushing blocks against LBs, however Barry failed to stay in the hole and follow his blocks. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

I see your point but I think Barry was better than Emmitt. If Jimmy would have had Barry he would have killed it. Not taking anything away from Emmitt but Detroit was a bad place to be...just ask Megatron..

 

[jazzcat22]

Name Barry Sanders offensive line.

Now name Emmitt's.

Barry's line had more pro bowlers and all-pros than Emmitt's. Emmitt's OL didn't sniff the prowl until Emmitt started winning rushing titles.

 

[jazzcat22]

Barry also led the NFL in tackles for losses. They pulled him near the end zone because of that reason, or partly because of it. As they knew there was as good of a chance he would lose yardage as opposed to getting the TD.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I think Jimmy said it best. Barry was the better runner, but Emmitt was the better running back.

 

[zack]

Barry also led the NFL in tackles for losses. They pulled him near the end zone because of that reason, or partly because of it. As they knew there was as good of a chance he would lose yardage as opposed to getting the TD.

Another good point. If he's the best RB in the league, why pull him. Plus Emmitt would never have negative finish a playoff game with negative yards, period.

 

[CATCH17]

Don't feel bad. You could have been me growing up in metro Detroit during this era. I could never win this arguement. I would say that the only time I got traction was when Barry QUIT on his team.

One of the biggest problems I have with everyone's argument is that Barry had a bad line. That's completely false. People actually think that Barry could run for 2000 yards on his own.

The other argument was that if he had The Dallas offensive line/Moose. A guy I played with in college had the oppprtunity to be a FB for Barry playing against the Giants. My former teammate was not a FB in college, but a LB. watching the game, he made several crushing blocks against LBs, however Barry failed to stay in the hole and follow his blocks. Just my 2 cents.

That's the thing..

Barry was like Michael Vick and Emmitt is like Tom Brady.

A simple eye test would make you think Vick is way better than Brady but once you factor in all of Brady's other abilities then it isn't even close.

Barry might shake a couple of guys and hit the home run but Emmitt is going to catch at the highest level, block at the highest level, and run at the highest level.

3rd and 2? Emmitt.

Goal line? Emmitt

Sportscenter highlight? Barry/vick

 

[CWR]

Name Barry Sanders offensive line.

Now name Emmitt's.

When Emmitt was breaking state records in Pensacola was his oline full of hall of fame linemen?

You can make an argument for any of Sanders, Brown or Payton. Im fine with that, but I cant stand having to discredit Emmitt because his oline was good.

 

[Bizwah]

Name Barry Sanders offensive line.

Now name Emmitt's.

There are so many people that seem to think Barry ran behind five high school offensive linemen.

Kevin Glover was a pro-bowler that was on the Lion OL. So was Lomas Brown. Mike Utley was a solid OL until his terrible injury. There was also quite a passing game that really spread the field for Barry Sanders.

Let's not pretend he was totally without help.

 

[Doomsday101]

So I'm listening to 105.3 the fan and they say that Barry is better than Emmitt and it's not debatable for anyone outside of the metroplex and then 2 seconds later they say Jerry Rice is better than Randy Moss and it's not debatable.


To me... Emmitt and Jerry are the same. Jerry and Emmitt both weren't the biggest, strongest, or fastest but they were warriors who got it done in the biggest moments and have titles and all kinds of records to show for it.


Barry and Randy share the same thing. Immense physical ability and nothing to show for it. Heck... I would take a young Adrian Peterson over Barry Sanders.

I just don't understand though how you can just not apply the same rules to Jerry Rice as you do Emmitt smith when they are basically the same player at different positions.

I have always maintained that in my view Barry Sanders was the best pure runner but Emmitt was the best overall RB. Barry could make some remarkable runs leaving you shaking your head but if I was building a team and was looking for a RB, Emmitt would be the man. Great runner, blocker and strong with the ability to grind out the tough yards.

 

[CWR]

That's the thing..

Barry was like Michael Vick and Emmitt is like Tom Brady.

A simple eye test would make you think Vick is way better than Brady but once you factor in all of Brady's other abilities then it isn't even close.

Barry might shake a couple of guys and hit the home run but Emmitt is going to catch at the highest level, block at the highest level, and run at the highest level.

3rd and 2? Emmitt.

Goal line? Emmitt

Sportscenter highlight? Barry/vick

True Barry was also famous for running backwards. Dont have the numbers but he netted alot of negative plays.

 

[CATCH17]

I see your point but I think Barry was better than Emmitt. If Jimmy would have had Barry he would have killed it. Not taking anything away from Emmitt but Detroit was a bad place to be...just ask Megatron..

Emmitt did kill it.. How can you kill it anymore than Emmitt did? 3 Superbowls that he was clearly the most important player on the team for and smashed almost every record at his position.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

For those of you who play basketball I will offer this analogy. There are guys who are street ballers...and could score 50 against NBA players in a pickup game. But in a NBA game they would look lost...and the NBA player would dominate. Emmit had GREAT vision prior to the snap...Emmit let holes develop....Emmit read his blocks....Emmit ran with great balance and squared shoulder pads...low to the ground....took very little punishment. This is how an all time great PROFESSIONAL RB lasts long and breaks records. Barry was erratic...and electric in the open field at the same time. Like I said...once he was in the open field...he was a joy to watch....but on a down to down...game to game basis....Emmit was the real deal.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Emmitt was such a great all-around back (running, catching, blocking) that they created the concept of "pure runner" to argue that Sanders was better. Pure runner just means he wasn't as well-rounded as Emmitt. They took Barry out in goal-line situations. Puhleez. Barry had a playoff game of -15 yards. Minus Fifteen. You couldn't hold Emmitt Smith to negative yards - especially in the playoffs. Barry Sanders was a highlight reel, but that doesn't equate to making the guys around you better. The Dallas Cowboys could not win without Emmitt Smith. It was proven time and time again. I'm sick of this argument because it results in Emmitt not getting his props. Emmitt Smith was perhaps the greatest all-around back ever. He was great at everything. It would be interesting to know his legacy if he had played for any team other than the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[Arkyvarminter]

Emmitt did kill it.. How can you kill it anymore than Emmitt did? 3 Superbowls that he was clearly the most important player on the team for and smashed almost every record at his position.

Well, Emmitt played 5 years longer than Barry for starters. He ended up with about 3000 more yards than Barry. Barry averaged 5 yards per carry and had about as many receiving yards as Emmitt. I'm just saying that had Barry played on the Cowboys he would have the rings and all.

 

[jwooten15]

I have always maintained that in my view Barry Sanders was the best pure runner but Emmitt was the best overall RB. Barry could make some remarkable runs leaving you shaking your head but if I was building a team and was looking for a RB, Emmitt would be the man. Great runner, blocker and strong with the ability to grind out the tough yards.

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