12 package - Lost subject this week

[TheDude]

I haven't seen much of this topic brought up, but I noticed Hanna nor Escobar got any targets after watching the All-22.

I did see Hanna out there a bit, but maybe 1 Escobar snap? I know this will probably be a softball for some comments, but seriously, how can the organization laude and invest so much (again) in this formation and NOT THROW 1 BALL to a TE not named Jason Witten during a close game? I didn't see anything SD was doing to require max protect on all 12 package formations

I have noticed that Hanna seems to get manhandled in the blocking schemes, especially KC, which tells me Escobar may be worse (?). But, if the primary use is blocking, why not put Parnell in as Tackle eligible or give A Smith a shot?

Just strange to me, but maybe I am missing something

 

[Hoov]

I haven't seen much of this topic brought up, but I noticed Hanna nor Escobar got any targets after watching the All-22.

I did see Hanna out there a bit, but maybe 1 Escobar snap? I know this will probably be a softball for some comments, but seriously, how can the organization laude and invest so much (again) in this formation and NOT THROW 1 BALL to a TE not named Jason Witten during a close game? I didn't see anything SD was doing to require max protect on all 12 package formations

I have noticed that Hanna seems to get manhandled in the blocking schemes, especially KC, which tells me Escobar may be worse (?). But, if the primary use is blocking, why not put Parnell in as Tackle eligible or give A Smith a shot?

Just strange to me, but maybe I am missing something

Yes, I would like to hera an aswer to this as well

 

[17yearsandcounting]

The 12 is pointless. No one knows how to use it or what to do on this team, they just see New England and play copycat. It is only 4 games, but right now Escobar is so weak that teams know he is in the game to run a route. Garrett has had Fasano, Bennett, and Escobar and there is probably less than 10 touchdowns between them in that time period since 2007.

 

[ftghb]

You can't fit a circle in a square peg. NE is probably the only team I think ran the 12 package as part of their base package and that's because they had two All-pro freak of nature talents with Hernandez and Gronk. You simply don't have that right now with escobar, who a) doesn't have a good enough rapport with romo yet and b) probably doesn't block well enough to be utilized as the other inline blocking TE

 

[TheRomoSexual]

The 12 is pointless. No one knows how to use it or what to do on this team, they just see New England and play copycat. It is only 4 games, but right now Escobar is so weak that teams know he is in the game to run a route. Garrett has had Fasano, Bennett, and Escobar and there is probably less than 10 touchdowns between them in that time period since 2007.

You are wrong. Look at decoding Callahan -- we've averaged over 5 yards a play in 12 over course of the season and, until last week, we used 12 or S12 on about 40-50% of plays. Not sure why they abandoned it this week, but to imply that it's been ineffective this season is nonsense.

 

[jobberone]

The 12 is pointless. No one knows how to use it or what to do on this team, they just see New England and play copycat. It is only 4 games, but right now Escobar is so weak that teams know he is in the game to run a route. Garrett has had Fasano, Bennett, and Escobar and there is probably less than 10 touchdowns between them in that time period since 2007.

How could anyone actually believe the coaches don't know how to run and defend the 12?

 

[Hoofbite]

You are wrong. Look at decoding Callahan -- we've averaged over 5 yards a play in 12 over course of the season and, until last week, we used 12 or S12 on about 40-50% of plays. Not sure why they abandoned it this week, but to imply that it's been ineffective this season is nonsense.

Is 5 yards a play better or worse than from other packages?

And it was in the latest Decoding Callahan? I didn't see season totals in there.

 

[AbeBeta]

That was something I was thinking about a great deal today as well.

We used little 1-2, instead going 1-1 (with three WR) much more.

Now, part of that is, I think that we believe we can run with just one TE in the game. That is a plus and it is about better play on the right side primarily.

The other part is weird. We spent a bunch of time in 3 wr sets when our 2nd best WR was out. The drop off after Austin in substantial. Williams is not ready to be a 2 and Harris/Beasley aren't very good 3s. Yet given that, we still preferred them on the field. Odd.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Is 5 yards a play better or worse than from other packages?

And it was in the latest Decoding Callahan? I didn't see season totals in there.

Somewhat comparable. 11 was better than 12 in the KC game and 12 was better than 11 against the Giants and the Rams. Either way, I'm convinced our offense stalled because we got away from the 12 package and thus became more predictable.

 

[Roadtrip635]

This coaching staff does not know how to design plays or best utilize players for 2 TE sets. Hannah and Escobar are liabilities in blocking or blitz pick-ups, which is gonna hurt any confidence in running these sets. Even when we had a good blocking 2nd TE(Marty B), the coaching staff could not figure out how to utilize his talents. Over time it was assumed it must be Marty B's fault, but he's been looking pretty good since he left, did he suddenly improve? I think he found teams that were better at utilizing his talents.

This coaching staff struggles with designing effective 2 TE sets and RB screen plays.

 

[Hoofbite]

Somewhat comparable. 11 was better than 12 in the KC game and 12 was better than 11 against the Giants and the Rams. Either way, I'm convinced our offense stalled because we got away from the 12 package and thus became more predictable.

I'm not sure I believe that.

They didn't seem to have trouble moving the ball at the end when it was clearly a passing situation. Same as basically all of last year.

 

[Hoofbite]

The most disconcerting thing about the 2TE situation from Sunday is the fact that they had a perfect opportunity to make all their continued investment shine and Escobar wasn't even on the field.

They were at the 7 yard line. 2nd and Goal and coming off a Chargers timeout, they come back onto the field without Escobar.

If ever there were a situation where he could really shine, this has got to be it. If he creates mismatches, you better put him out there.

It really is quite confusing and disappointing. I hated the pick at the time because of how they seemingly never cared to try and get Bennett involved. Of course Bennett has now surpassed his production in 3 of his seasons with Dallas and it only took him 4 games in Chicago.

That said, now that they're tied to him they need to actually reap the rewards of having him on the team.

 

[TrailBlazer]

This coaching staff does not know how to design plays or best utilize players for 2 TE sets. Hannah and Escobar are liabilities in blocking or blitz pick-ups, which is gonna hurt any confidence in running these sets. Even when we had a good blocking 2nd TE(Marty B), the coaching staff could not figure out how to utilize his talents. Over time it was assumed it must be Marty B's fault, but he's been looking pretty good since he left, did he suddenly improve? I think he found teams that were better at utilizing his talents.

This coaching staff struggles with designing effective 2 TE sets and RB screen plays.

Agreed. If you have a good system and quarterback, it makes the receivers look better than they actually are. We don't utilize players to maximize potential. Case in point, Marty B.

 

[birdwells1]

I kinda mentioned it here.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/why-did-we-draft-escobar-again.267713/

 

[Oh_Canada]

I'm still trying to figure out how a 6'3 250lbs TE with 4.49 speed and pretty good hands isn't utilized more in the passing game?

Free Hanna!!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm still trying to figure out how a 6'3 250lbs TE with 4.49 speed and pretty good hands isn't utilized more in the passing game?

Free Hanna!!

One reason is that they way to much on Witten.

The trouble is all those short completions aren't getting the offense anywhere.

 

[birdwells1]

One reason is that they way to much on Witten.

The trouble is all those short completions aren't getting the offense anywhere.

I agree, Witten is just not at threat at all in the YAC department. Where he catches it is where the ball will be, when he catches the ball now I immediately look to see if he's got first down yardage already because I know that he's not going to get it otherwise.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree, Witten is just not at threat at all in the YAC department. Where he catches it is where the ball will be, when he catches the ball now I immediately look to see if he's got first down yardage already because I know that he's not going to get it otherwise.

The guy is a warrior but I think he's the first or second option way too often.

Right now he's the 43rd ranked TE (out of 55) in YAC/Rec with a number of 2.9

Less than 3 yards of RAC per catch.

Just for comparison...

Julius Thomas of Denver is averaging 7.3

Charles Clay is averaging 6.3

Even Martellus is averaging 5.6

Jimmy Graham is averaging 5.2

 

[khiladi]

It's time to start thinking about after Witten right now, during the season...

 

[texbumthelife]

The organization doesn't throw the passes. Tony Romo is notoriously moody when it comes to receivers. He has flat out stopped looking at Dez for games at a time. OC calls the plays. Romo reads the D and throws the ball. If you don't like the distribution it falls on one guy (outside of how the defense may be playing).