1992 Cowboys and 2013 Seahawks

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Absolutely. Seattle's Cover 3 defense is very similar to the Dallas Cover 2 of the Jimmy Johnson era. Punch-Press outside, safety help over the top, relentless four-man pass rush with athletic linebackers. Lots of closing speed.

We can get there in Dallas. We have the guys on the back end, just have to fix the front. I am confident Jason and Co. will address the defensive front this off-season, whether in the draft or free agency.

I will say this, though - the only player I would pay for in free agency this year would be Jimmy Graham. The rest of the free agent pool is a bunch of nobodies.
I really love how observant you are about the team especially the current team and regarding the current team you're right about the front four needing some fine tuning and one of the priorities imo is resigning Hatcher, and get Ware back to health depending on his contract situation, and of course drafting a defensive lineman to boot. As for the secondary and LBs we have to address the safety position, and if Claiborne can finally stay healthy and play up to his potential then the CB position wil be good to go and adding another CB in the draft wouldn't hurt either. I really like what I'm seeing from Devonte Holloman, and Sean Lee is a perfect fit for this scheme as we both seen when he was healthy and that is the problem with him is staying healthy, and Bruce Carter showed some flashes at times last season but he is still a wild card at the position and it wouldn't hurt if they draft another LB also. Overall some pieces are there for this defense to take off as you mentioned but not all there yet imo.
 

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I don't think those two teams look at all the same. That Defense in 92 was much smaller and faster. This Seattle Defense is much Bigger and more Physical IMO.

Night and Day IMO.
Yessir the Cowboys defense was smaller than that of the Seahawks especially in the secondary in which the CBs are 6'0" or better in Seattle, and the Cowboys CBs were like 5'10" as far as speed and physicality they are different.
 

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Seattle's defense is being overrated if you ask me. Denver was playing like a bunch of chumps that were just glad to be in the superbowl.
Why would you say that Seattle's defense is overrated?
As for Denver yes they did play like they were scared of the physical nature of how they were being pushed around by that defense.
 

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Biggest difference between our defense and the Seattle defense is not physical IMO. It's our ability to tackle. That defense tackles you where they first make contact and you don't run for a lot of additional yardage. We don't do that. We are a horrible tackling team and we often allow guys to break tackles and make big plays. Until that gets fixed, we might as well stop trying to compare players and schemes because it won't matter. That will always separate these two units.
 
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I don't think those two teams look at all the same. That Defense in 92 was much smaller and faster. This Seattle Defense is much Bigger and more Physical IMO.

Night and Day IMO.

Different times though.

in 1992, there was no such thing as a 6'3" CB or safety. Cowboys d-line was as physical as the Seahawks, if not more so. But whatever. Both played pretty good football in their time.
 
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Biggest difference between our defense and the Seattle defense is not physical IMO. It's our ability to tackle. That defense tackles you where they first make contact and you don't run for a lot of additional yardage. We don't do that. We are a horrible tackling team and we often allow guys to break tackles and make big plays. Until that gets fixed, we might as well stop trying to compare players and schemes because it won't matter. That will always separate these two units.

Yep. Outside of Church, the defense is terrible at tackling.
 

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I really love how observant you are about the team especially the current team and regarding the current team you're right about the front four needing some fine tuning and one of the priorities imo is resigning Hatcher, and get Ware back to health depending on his contract situation, and of course drafting a defensive lineman to boot. As for the secondary and LBs we have to address the safety position, and if Claiborne can finally stay healthy and play up to his potential then the CB position wil be good to go and adding another CB in the draft wouldn't hurt either. I really like what I'm seeing from Devonte Holloman, and Sean Lee is a perfect fit for this scheme as we both seen when he was healthy and that is the problem with him is staying healthy, and Bruce Carter showed some flashes at times last season but he is still a wild card at the position and it wouldn't hurt if they draft another LB also. Overall some pieces are there for this defense to take off as you mentioned but not all there yet imo.

With Hatcher, my only concern is his age. Still, that might also be the concern elsewhere in the league, too, and maybe we're able to get him here on a three year deal that's relatively affordable. I still expect him to be wearing the Fleur-de-Lis in New Orleans this year in camp, though.

For Ware, I think he's going to have to be restructured or get a new contract that extends all of his money over a longer period of time that works better with the salary cap. I am confident he can return to form and even be worth his dollar amount, but the business aspect of it for future player potential is hurting us right now. We'll see how the team handles this situation.

Claiborne is going to be just fine. He had a tough year this year with his dad passing away, and he was a victim of the absurd amount of injuries on this team...if I am the staff I would be looking at why there were so many of the same injury. Someone on the training staff should be held responsible.

Holloman should absolutely start in the spot Bruce Carter played this year. He is better in coverage, whereas Bruce is more of a thumper. Sean Lee is simply one of the best MLBs in football, and has just succumbed to freak injuries the last two years. I think he'll be fine over time too. He just only knows how to play 200mph, and you get hurt doing that sometimes. It's a full contact sport.

Like I said, with Ware, Spencer, and Hatcher all question marks, and with Crawford returning from an achilles, our defensive line is our "achilles heel" (terrible pun). We need to improve there this year in the draft, and we'll probably need to draft defensive line early again in the 2015 draft as well in order to keep the youth infusion going on the front.
 
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With Hatcher, my only concern is his age. Still, that might also be the concern elsewhere in the league, too, and maybe we're able to get him here on a three year deal that's relatively affordable. I still expect him to be wearing the Fleur-de-Lis in New Orleans this year in camp, though.
Hatcher is not going back to a 3-4 defense. He's found his home, and that's a 3-tech DT.
 

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Yep. Outside of Church, the defense is terrible at tackling.

J.J. Wilcox has great closing speed and is a pretty tenacious tackler. Carr and Scandrick are good tacklers. Claiborne could improve. Sterling Moore is a good tackler...never will understand why he didn't make the squad early on, but my guess is $$$ (Webb was cheaper). Webb isn't ready for the NFL. Jeff Heath might not ever be ready for the NFL.

My $0.02.
 

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Different times though.

in 1992, there was no such thing as a 6'3" CB or safety. Cowboys d-line was as physical as the Seahawks, if not more so. But whatever. Both played pretty good football in their time.

No. I don't agree with this. That Defensive line did it with quicks and speed. The Seattle DLine gets into your grill and just runs you over or simply throws you back into the QBs face. Completely different IMO.
 

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Hatcher is not going back to a 3-4 defense. He's found his home, and that's a 3-tech DT.

And Chris Canty was a 3-4 end, too. And he left for the NY Giants. Hatcher is 33 and from Louisiana, and liked Rob Ryan. It'll make sense.
 

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No. I don't agree with this. That Defensive line did it with quicks and speed. The Seattle DLine gets into your grill and just runs you over or simply throws you back into the QBs face. Completely different IMO.

Yea that Leon lett was a real 300 lb weakling... Good thing he had a burst
 

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Yea that Leon lett was a real 300 lb weakling... Good thing he had a burst

He did and his game was not really power. It was quickness, which is why they called him Big Cat. And for the record, he didn't start on that 92 Defense. The Starters on that Defense were:

Tolbert 6'6" 268 lbs DE
Haley 6'5" 252 lbs DE
Casillas 6'3" 278 lbs DT
Maryland 6'1" 300 lbs DT
 

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With Hatcher, my only concern is his age. Still, that might also be the concern elsewhere in the league, too, and maybe we're able to get him here on a three year deal that's relatively affordable. I still expect him to be wearing the Fleur-de-Lis in New Orleans this year in camp, though.

For Ware, I think he's going to have to be restructured or get a new contract that extends all of his money over a longer period of time that works better with the salary cap. I am confident he can return to form and even be worth his dollar amount, but the business aspect of it for future player potential is hurting us right now. We'll see how the team handles this situation.

Claiborne is going to be just fine. He had a tough year this year with his dad passing away, and he was a victim of the absurd amount of injuries on this team...if I am the staff I would be looking at why there were so many of the same injury. Someone on the training staff should be held responsible.

Holloman should absolutely start in the spot Bruce Carter played this year. He is better in coverage, whereas Bruce is more of a thumper. Sean Lee is simply one of the best MLBs in football, and has just succumbed to freak injuries the last two years. I think he'll be fine over time too. He just only knows how to play 200mph, and you get hurt doing that sometimes. It's a full contact sport.

Like I said, with Ware, Spencer, and Hatcher all question marks, and with Crawford returning from an achilles, our defensive line is our "achilles heel" (terrible pun). We need to improve there this year in the draft, and we'll probably need to draft defensive line early again in the 2015 draft as well in order to keep the youth infusion going on the front.
I'm right there with you that the team needing to keep infusing younger talent through the draft, and even free agency especially regarding the DL and there will be a good bit of talent on draft day to improve on that side of the ball. As for Ware, I'm hoping he can remain a Cowboy for the rest of his career but if reports are true that he doesn't want to take a pay cut then they won't have much of a choice but to release him if they really want to go that route and I agree with the onus around Spencer, and Hatcher as well.
I really didn't know that Claiborne's dad passed away and my condolences goes to his family and true he has the potential to be a really good corner in the league if he can remain healthy as for Lee, and Holloman those are two pieces of the scheme already in place for this scheme like I said in the previous post is that it all comes down to Carter, while he got the tools to be a really good LB its not all there yet and it's also up to the team if they want to go with him as a starter or get someone else at the position via draft.
 

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I wouldn't call Charles Haley exactly finesse either.

Haley was not an overpowering player. I mean, he was exactly the opposite. He was the kind of player that beat you off the snap. He was not the kind of player that meet you in the whole and punished you.
 

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I'm right there with you that the team needing to keep infusing younger talent through the draft, and even free agency especially regarding the DL and there will be a good bit of talent on draft day to improve on that side of the ball. As for Ware, I'm hoping he can remain a Cowboy for the rest of his career but if reports are true that he doesn't want to take a pay cut then they won't have much of a choice but to release him if they really want to go that route and I agree with the onus around Spencer, and Hatcher as well.
I really didn't know that Claiborne's dad passed away and my condolences goes to his family and true he has the potential to be a really good corner in the league if he can remain healthy as for Lee, and Holloman those are two pieces of the scheme already in place for this scheme like I said in the previous post is that it all comes down to Carter, while he got the tools to be a really good LB its not all there yet and it's also up to the team if they want to go with him as a starter or get someone else at the position via draft.

I just think Bruce Carter is playing the wrong position. He's a Sam Linebacker - run support, less coverage responsibility, head-buster. That's what and how he played at UNC.
 

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No. I don't agree with this. That Defensive line did it with quicks and speed. The Seattle DLine gets into your grill and just runs you over or simply throws you back into the QBs face. Completely different IMO.

Yeah, I have never seen a defensive line that consistently runs down HB screens in the backfield.

I just think Bruce Carter is playing the wrong position. He's a Sam Linebacker - run support, less coverage responsibility, head-buster. That's what and how he played at UNC.

No, that isn't how he played at UNC.
 

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I just think Bruce Carter is playing the wrong position. He's a Sam Linebacker - run support, less coverage responsibility, head-buster. That's what and how he played at UNC.
I see now they will have to draft another LB.
 
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