2007 set us back a decade

[theogt]

We were a couple touchdowns from making the playoffs. Let's not be stupid.

 

[Eskimo]

We were a couple touchdowns from making the playoffs. Let's not be stupid.

We're okay, theo. We may make the playoffs. I know you believe that if we make the playoffs we can win it all.

I can't say that I subscribe to that belief unless you have a dominant defense. The teams that were able to get hot in the playoffs and make a run usually had dominant defenses and we don't even come close. Not many teams with only a good offense but a mediocre record during the season ever go on a major run in the post-season.

The other part of the equation you have to factor is is the core that has carried us the last few years (Romo, Witten, Ware, Ratliff) are now all on the downsides of their careers. Romo is a QB so he may age slower but the other guys get pounded a lot. Miles was supposed to become a core player but he still hasn't taken that last step to superstardom and maybe he never will now as he isn't exactly young anymore. We do have some good players from the last two drafts but we don't have enough players entering their primes from the 2006-9 drafts right now to really keep us going strong unless we continue to hit on draft picks and FAs.

I do agree "the decade" part of the claim was histrionic.

I think we can make the playoffs this year but don't see us as serious contenders unless we can protect Romo and find an elite pass rush to compensate for a pedestrian secondary.

 

[Beast_from_East]

if we go to the nfc championship, how are we not superbowl contenders?

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Beast_from_East]

On a side note, of the 12 probowlers we had in 2007 how many are still here?



Answer..........just 3 are still on the team. (Romo, Ware, and Witten).

 

[Eskimo]

On a side note, of the 12 probowlers we had in 2007 how many are still here?



Answer..........just 3 are still on the team. (Romo, Ware, and Witten).

Football is a young man's game.

Part of our problem is we kept re-signing over the hill vets and not replenishing the young talent base due to misses in the draft from 2006-9.

We need two more good drafts to re-join the upper echelon of teams in the league.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Football is a young man's game.

Part of our problem is we kept re-signing over the hill vets and not replenishing the young talent base due to misses in the draft from 2006-9.

We need two more good drafts to re-join the upper echelon of teams in the league.

Yea, bad drafting has defiently hurt this team. When you piss way an entire draft class (see 2009), it really sets the team back.

 

[The Emperor]

if we go to the nfc championship, how are we not superbowl contenders?

I was thinking the same thing.

If you think we're gonna make the NFC Title game then that definitely makes us a SB contender. DeCastro is just like Tyron pretty much except he's a guard obviously. Kid is gonna be dominant for a long time to come. If we get him we are definitely a legit contender.

You wouldn't call the '08 Ravens, '09 Jets, '10 Bears, '11 Niners, or '11 Ravens "Super Bowl contenders" even though they reached their respective championship games, would you?

That's how I see it playing out in 2012. We'll go further than we have, but we'll also see just how much further yet we have to go.

Oh, and ::: since we only want to talk in emoticons instead of -- you know -- words.

 

[Ren]

Way to ruin a good narrative. You just love mediocrity. It's fans like you that are the reason we haven't won a playoff game in 16 years.

I'm going to go have a taco to calm down.

You got to explain this one :laugh2:

 

[The Emperor]

Yeah the fans are the cause we lose or win games. I always knew if I approached every game in a positive way it would affect the outcome of games.

I believe my first impression of you was the right one. And you absolutely remind me of a poster who disappeared for awhile.

Of course maybe you weren't really being serious in which case neither was I.

You got to explain this one :laugh2:

It's a joke. I guess that's something that's predominant at TrueBlue. You all haven't heard it here? You haven't heard some fans chide other fans' attitudes as the reason why the team has sucked for 16 years? I thought I read that here on the Zone too.

 

[ShiningStar]

if we go to the nfc championship, how are we not superbowl contenders?

if you are 9-7 you are SB contenders. So i dont know how other people can make remarks that if we dont hit a certain level we're not contenders.

 

[theogt]

I can't say that I subscribe to that belief unless you have a dominant defense.

Which is why we spent so much money on Carr and will likely be drafting Barron. I'm not saying we can't improve. I'm just saying we're not facing the abyss.

 

[ShiningStar]

Which is why we spent so much money on Carr and will likely be drafting Barron. I'm not saying we can't improve. I'm just saying we're not facing the abyss.

be a true fan we're doomed cant you see it, if a 9-7 team can be Sb champs what chances do we have, improvements, every player out there is better than ours, every coach is superior and has the right way of doing it, we cant think for ourselves, we're doomed, we cant draft, suck at FA and cant get teh ball to go forwards, how are we going to compete with all that?

 

[Falcon554]

The lack of strong leadership at HC and bad drafting has hurt the Cowboys. It's been pretty much the same problem since Jimmy left. Parcell's helped right the ship by bringing in some much needed talent and keeping Jerry from hand picking players during the draft. He found the Cowboys a solid QB and a great pass rusher which the Cowboys had wasted several high draft picks through the years trying to find. The game had passed Parcell's by but he put the Cowboys in position talent wise to be a contender for years with Romo, Witten, Ware and Austin. Wade softened the team during his 4 year tenure with his cupcake reputation and he left the team in shambles after the players quit on him.

Had the Cowboys had a SOLID HC who the players respected the team could have very easily been a 12-4 to 13-3 team every year since 07. I'll never forget how Wade just sat there during the 09 draft as Jerry kept trading down he looked like he was about to nod off. You could tell he wasn't involved he just went along. That 09 draft was one of the worst in franchise history and it clearly set the team. The 09 season was the last season the Cowboys made the playoffs.

That 2009 draft is what killed this team the last 2 years, and right now you would expect 3 or 4 be starters. heck there are only 2 left and 1 should be gone after TC

 

[jterrell]

The lack of strong leadership at HC and bad drafting has hurt the Cowboys. It's been pretty much the same problem since Jimmy left. Parcell's helped right the ship by bringing in some much needed talent and keeping Jerry from hand picking players during the draft. He found the Cowboys a solid QB and a great pass rusher which the Cowboys had wasted several high draft picks through the years trying to find. The game had passed Parcell's by but he put the Cowboys in position talent wise to be a contender for years with Romo, Witten, Ware and Austin. Wade softened the team during his 4 year tenure with his cupcake reputation and he left the team in shambles after the players quit on him.

Had the Cowboys had a SOLID HC who the players respected the team could have very easily been a 12-4 to 13-3 team every year since 07. I'll never forget how Wade just sat there during the 09 draft as Jerry kept trading down he looked like he was about to nod off. You could tell he wasn't involved he just went along. That 09 draft was one of the worst in franchise history and it clearly set the team. The 09 season was the last season the Cowboys made the playoffs.

Parcells didn't bring us Romo or Ware dude.
Sean Payton brought us Romo and Jerry Jones fought for Ware based on scouting dept.

BP did bring us Miles Austin.

This team hasn't been atrocious at all.
We just haven't won a Super Bowl.
We won the NFCE numerous times and have been very competitive for about half of a decade.

Had we made one more play versus the Giants in either 07 or last year and perception changes drastically.

I am a Mavs fan and understand you get consistent winning and then things take shape from there.

 

[Hostile]

Parcells didn't bring us Romo or Ware dude.
Sean Payton brought us Romo and Jerry Jones fought for Ware based on scouting dept.

BP did bring us Miles Austin.

This team hasn't been atrocious at all.
We just haven't won a Super Bowl.
We won the NFCE numerous times and have been very competitive for about half of a decade.

Had we made one more play versus the Giants in either 07 or last year and perception changes drastically.

I am a Mavs fan and understand you get consistent winning and then things take shape from there.

I hope you have kevlar.

 

[baj1dallas]

but I can tell you we won't. We don't have the trench play to do it, even if we get DeCastro. .

The year GB won the Superbowl, I am pretty sure they were leading the league in sacks allowed up until the time they played Dallas. That o-line was their big weakness heading into the season.

 

[KJJ]

Parcells didn't bring us Romo or Ware dude.
Sean Payton brought us Romo and Jerry Jones fought for Ware based on scouting dept.

Romo and Ware became Cowboys under Parcells. BP had a strong say in the personnel on the team it was his team or he would not have taken on the job. Parcells was no yes man he was in charge! The Cowboys drafts had Parcells' fingerprints all over them. The day Jerry hired Parcells he said he would have a strong say on draft day. If Parcells didn't want Ware he would not have been drafted. As for Romo Sean Payton found him but it was Parcells' decision to sign him and keep him on the active roster instead of risking another team stealing him off the practice squad. It was Parcells who hung onto Romo after he struggled mightily during preseason in 04. He could have very easily cut Romo but he hung onto him.

This team hasn't been atrocious at all.
We just haven't won a Super Bowl.
We won the NFCE numerous times and have been very competitive for about half of a decade.

The Cowboys haven't been atrocious but they've been mediocre at best the past 2 seasons. The team is 2 games below 500 the past couple of seasons. The 08 season was suppose to be the Cowboys year after what happened in 07 but the team underachieved so badly they missed the playoffs. The same thing happened in 2010 everyone was picking the Cowboys for the SB and they ended up 6-10. The Cowboys have issues with coaching and leadership. For years the team has lacked mental toughness and hasn't shown the fire or passion it takes to become a championship team.

 

[KJJ]

That 2009 draft is what killed this team the last 2 years, and right now you would expect 3 or 4 be starters. heck there are only 2 left and 1 should be gone after TC

Jerry kept trading down and trading down thinking there's safety in numbers. The Cowboys ended up drafting 12 players and have ended up with virtually nothing 3 years later. It takes about 3 years to grade a draft and the 09 draft was clearly a big fat F. You have to include Roy Williams as one of the flops in that draft because he cost the team their #1 in 09.

 

[Galian Beast]

Things that set us back

- Drafting Julius Jones instead of Steven Jackson
- Drafting Martellus Bennett in the 2nd round after drafting Anthony Fasano in the 2nd round
- Trading for Roy Williams
- Not addressing the offensive line after it got us destroyed against the Vikings
- Not addressing our secondary after it finished 29th in QB rating (defense), 31st in passing touchdowns allowed, 29th in yards per attempt...
- Resigning Marion Barber to that huge contract
- Not getting an offensive coordinator for a rookie head coach.

 

[Eskimo]

Which is why we spent so much money on Carr and will likely be drafting Barron. I'm not saying we can't improve. I'm just saying we're not facing the abyss.

There is definitely hope for a championship but I don't see it this year. I had hoped based on the start of 2011 that we would be ready this year but the finish to the season exposed all the warts again. I don't think the holes can be patched with just this draft alone.

Perhaps if we had 20M of cap space and could have gotten another pass rusher and a another very good OG I could see it.

We just have to keep building the roster with quality players and keep bringing in quality coaches and it will get turned around. The key is keeping Jerry from flying off the deep end like he did in 2008/9. Hos seems to have faith that Garrett can keep Jerry in line but I'm not so sure.