2008 Cap Update - $6,270,045 million under (10/23/08) *Post #195

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See post #177 for Adam's latest update.

Here's a quick update on our 2008 cap -- The cap hasn't been finalized yet, but it's expected to be about $116 million. We currently have 56 players under contract for 2008, with a total cap commitment of $102.7 million. This DOES NOT include any credits or charges leftover from 2007, DOES NOT include tenders for our remaining free agents and DOES NOT take into account the voided contracts for Marion Barber, Julius Jones and Chris Canty.

I'm guessing we'll get a cap adjustment of about $1.5 million (more cap room) after all of the leftover charges and credits from 2007 are applied -- the credit for Tony Curtis' bogus $3.5 million incentive, minus leftover incentive charges from this season (playing time incentives for Anthony Spencer and Ken Hamlin, as well as Flozell Adams' Pro Bowl incentive). And we'll add another $1.08 million in cap room when the contracts of Barber, Jones and Canty officially void.

Those changes would leave us about $15.88 million under the cap, if it's set at $116 million. Our cap room would be reduced by any tenders given to RFAs (Barber, Canty, Ladoucer, Berger, Thompson), EFAs (Curtis, Procter, Oglesby, Bowen) or possibly UFAs (such as Flozell Adams or Ken Hamlin).

ONE VERY IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER is that during the offseason, the only base salaries that count against the cap are those of the players with the 51 highest cap numbers on the team (including tenders). For anyone outside the top 51, only their bonus amounts count against the cap. Anytime you sign someone who qualifies for the top 51, they bump another player's base salary off the cap. Right now, our 51st-highest cap number is $295,000 (six players are tied). So if we sign a player with a 2008 cap number of $1 million, it doesn't reduce our cap room by $1 million, it reduces it by only $705,000, because that player knocks another player's $295,000 base salary off the cap. After the voids and tenders, we should be up to at least 51 players at $370,000 or more, which means each player signed will reduce our cap room by even less.
 

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Thank you Adam.

I like the stability of this team. We don't have to do anything drastic finanicially and can afford a top Free Agent when we need one.
 

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Hostile;1923388 said:
Thank you Adam.

I like the stability of this team. We don't have to do anything drastic finanicially and can afford a top Free Agent when we need one.


That's if we don't go overboard on Flozell Adams. $16 mil of cap space doesn't realistically allow us to franchise the guy like many had suggested.
 
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Question for you: How do you get this information? Are you Jerry's illigetimate love child or something?

PS. Great info!
 

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MichaelWinicki;1923610 said:
That's if we don't go overboard on Flozell Adams. $16 mil of cap space doesn't realistically allow us to franchise the guy like many had suggested.

Yep, or sign Asante Samuel! :lmao2:
 

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MichaelWinicki;1923610 said:
That's if we don't go overboard on Flozell Adams. $16 mil of cap space doesn't realistically allow us to franchise the guy like many had suggested.

I doubt we will, but we certainly could. His franchise number would be $8.4 million.
 

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Thanks Adam.

Looks like we're in good shape to re-sign the guys we want and get 1-2 FAs.
 

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Here are the 2008 cap commitments for all 32 teams, with the number of players currently under contract listed in parentheses. Again, this does not include leftover credits and charges from 2007, nor does it include the voiding of contracts or any tenders.

Tennessee (55) $79.27 million
Cincinnati (54) $84.79 million
San Francisco (54) $85.37 million
Jacksonville (50) $86.23 million
New Orleans (51) $89.02 million
Buffalo (51) $89.39 million
N.Y. Giants (54) $92.50 million
Oakland (46) $92.75 million
San Diego (47) $93.39 million
Miami (55) $95.29 million
Chicago (60) $95.95 million
Houston (54) $96.44 million
Tampa Bay (59) $97.16 million
Detroit (57) $98.16 million
N.Y. Jets (67) $98.74 million
Kansas City (55) $99.24 million
Pittsburgh (57) $99.37 million
Cleveland (52) $99.44 million
Philadelphia (59) $99.88 million
Green Bay (50) $100.45 million
Minnesota (56) $101.29 million
Arizona (41) $101.51 million
Dallas (56) $102.70 million
Seattle (58) $103.13 million
Denver (53) $107.71 million
New England (43) $111.08 million
Baltimore (45) $111.19 million
Atlanta (60) $111.93 million
St. Louis (52) $112.15 million
Carolina (43) $116.94 million
Indianapolis (63) $121.64 million
Washington (60) $139.90 million
 

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AdamJT13;1923752 said:
Here are the 2008 cap commitments for all 32 teams, with the number of players currently under contract listed in parentheses. Again, this does not include leftover credits and charges from 2007, nor does it include the voiding of contracts or any tenders.

Tennessee (55) $79.27 million
Cincinnati (54) $84.79 million
San Francisco (54) $85.37 million
Jacksonville (50) $86.23 million
New Orleans (51) $89.02 million
Buffalo (51) $89.39 million
N.Y. Giants (54) $92.50 million
Oakland (46) $92.75 million
San Diego (47) $93.39 million
Miami (55) $95.29 million
Chicago (60) $95.95 million
Houston (54) $96.44 million
Tampa Bay (59) $97.16 million
Detroit (57) $98.16 million
N.Y. Jets (67) $98.74 million
Kansas City (55) $99.24 million
Pittsburgh (57) $99.37 million
Cleveland (52) $99.44 million
Philadelphia (59) $99.88 million
Green Bay (50) $100.45 million
Minnesota (56) $101.29 million
Arizona (41) $101.51 million
Dallas (56) $102.70 million
Seattle (58) $103.13 million
Denver (53) $107.71 million
New England (43) $111.08 million
Baltimore (45) $111.19 million
Atlanta (60) $111.93 million
St. Louis (52) $112.15 million
Carolina (43) $116.94 million
Indianapolis (63) $121.64 million
Washington (60) $139.90 million

Looks like teams like NE, Balt, and Carolina could be in a little bit of trouble in that they only have 40-some players under contract and they are already fairly tight under the cap.
 

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AdamJT13;1923752 said:
Washington (60) $139.90 million

:lmao2:

Something about actually seeing this in print that just makes me let out a giggle. (Think Aurther when he's sleeping).

Never gets old.

:D
 

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Woods;1923775 said:
Looks like teams like NE, Balt, and Carolina could be in a little bit of trouble in that they only have 40-some players under contract and they are already fairly tight under the cap.

Not necessarily. New England for instance, will either cut Stallworth or convert his 11 million dollar roster bonus to a signing bonus and pro rate it, saving themselves lots of money. A lot of teams have these kinds of things they can do to get under, remember that a lot of money you see can be "imaginary" numbers.

Edit: To quote from Miguel's Pats Cap page: "For the Patriots to retain Stallworth for the 2008 season, they must pay him an option bonus of $6 million by Feb. 25, 2008. There is a subsequent roster bonus of $2 million due on March 1, a second roster bonus of $1.6 million based on playing time, a base salary of $1 million and a $400,000 workout bonus." Works out to 11 million dollars in bonuses that can be converted to a signing bonus, or, probably, just cut out altogether.
 

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Woods;1923747 said:
Thanks Adam.

Looks like we're in good shape to re-sign the guys we want and get 1-2 FAs.

Hope you're not including Flozell in the statement "the guys we want." I don't see it happening for the amount of coin he's going to want.
 

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Temo;1923986 said:
Not necessarily. New England for instance, will either cut Stallworth or convert his 11 million dollar roster bonus to a signing bonus and pro rate it, saving themselves lots of money. A lot of teams have these kinds of things they can do to get under, remember that a lot of money you see can be "imaginary" numbers.

Considering Moss and Samuel are not figured in those numbers... The Pats do not have a lot of cap room.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1923996 said:
Considering Moss and Samuel are not figured in those numbers... The Pats do not have a lot of cap room.

Well, the cap numbers given do not contain enough money to resign either of them, whereas I would asertain that they could do so comfortably. And you don't need to do much more than resign your own FAs (if they do, considering Moss is old and will cost a ton) when you go 18-1 or 19-0 in your previous year.
 

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Temo;1923986 said:
Not necessarily. New England for instance, will either cut Stallworth or convert his 11 million dollar roster bonus to a signing bonus and pro rate it, saving themselves lots of money. A lot of teams have these kinds of things they can do to get under, remember that a lot of money you see can be "imaginary" numbers.

Edit: To quote from Miguel's Pats Cap page: "For the Patriots to retain Stallworth for the 2008 season, they must pay him an option bonus of $6 million by Feb. 25, 2008. There is a subsequent roster bonus of $2 million due on March 1, a second roster bonus of $1.6 million based on playing time, a base salary of $1 million and a $400,000 workout bonus." Works out to 11 million dollars in bonuses that can be converted to a signing bonus, or, probably, just cut out altogether.

Stallworth's cap number is less than $6.6 million. They can do things with him to save cap room, but not $11 million or close to it.

They did, however, use the incentive loophole to push forward cap room from 2007. That will increase their cap room by either $5,602,500 or $11.025 million, depending on the mechanics of the odd way they did it.
 

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AdamJT13;1924088 said:
Stallworth's cap number is less than $6.6 million. They can do things with him to save cap room, but not $11 million or close to it.

They did, however, use the incentive loophole to push forward cap room from 2007. That will increase their cap room by either $5,602,500 or $11.025 million, depending on the mechanics of the odd way they did it.

His cap number is 6.37 million, because the Option Bonus is prorated, I know that. I'm just saying that they can save 11 million dollars in "actual" money, as that is the total amount they would have to pay him to keep him next year. In all fairness, my point stands, they can save a ton of money by cutting (5.5 million freed up by doing this),or reworking his deal.

In any case, my point is simply that the patriots are far from being "in trouble" cap-wise as the poster had pointed out.
 
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