2009 Mock Draft, Version 1.0

[locked&loaded]

oline is a must.idk about smith id prefera ballhawk. when cb/s get that big they lose quickness in hips etc.

 

[Biggems]

These are the players I like the most...unfortunately, I think some of them overlap on the value board. I did not include anyone who I feel has a legit 1st round grade. The number in () is the number of players I want at that position.

QB (1)
Mike Reilly

RB/FB
Javorskie Lane

WR
Hakeem Nicks
Quan Cosby
Deon Butler

TE
Davon Drew

OL (3)
C Jonathan Luigs
C Eric Wood
G Cedric Dockery
G Louis Vasquez
G Herman Johnson
T Ryan Delrosal
OL Dallas Reynolds
OL Cornelius Lewis

DT (2)
Ron Brace
Sammie Lee Hill

DE
Roy Miller

OLB (2)
Connor Barwin
Phillip Hunt
Kenny Mainor

ILB (1)
Daniel Holtzclaw
Scott McKillop

Cornerback (2)
Joe Burnett
Mark Parson
Mike Mickens

Safety (2)
Rashad Johnson
Sean Smith
Myron Rolle
Darcell McBath

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Compensatory 6th. Pat White, WR/KR, West Virginia, 6'2", 189. A low risk gamble in the 6th round. Undeniable speed and elusiveness. Will replace one of the WRs. A project, but with possible big dividends.


Man love...I admit it.

I don't care if he plays WR, ST or is a work in progress QB.

Kid has the right work ethic, is all about team and is humble. That with great natural athletic ability.

Love the kid.

 

[Zaxor]

Brace has had too many shoulder problems that he scares me...I do like his teammate much better

B.J. Raji 6-1 323 DT

Also some interesting guys on BC

Thomas Claiborne 6-3 323 G/C

and my favorite

Kevin Akins was a LB now playing CB that is right folks... this cat went from LB to CB he is

6-2 224 WOW this is a guy I really like... I have been talking for a while about needing a hybrid type a guy that can cover like a corner and hit like a LB...he needs to move to SS for us so he may take a year or 2 to develop but what a player this guy could make

 

[Shinywalrus]

I know everyone wants to get a big body to plug in at NT, and I know that (aside from Cody, who right now looks like he's going back to school) he's the only guy who catches the eye in the weight column, but that alone doesn't make Brace the answer, guys.

This is a guy who has been plagued all season by back "issues" and has never really been tested on double teams like so many other DTs like this coming out of school - he's been almost exclusively 3-tech and his colleague, BJ Raji, is in a different league: quicker, a great, leveraged uppercut initial punch that throws linemen off balance - Raji is actually double-teamed more and has still been much more productive.

Raji is a true NT. Brace is not. Don't let weight be the only guide, guys.

Raji is almost certainly out of our range, but let's not draft another Carpenter to pretend he's AJ Hawk.

 

[Hostile]

I know everyone wants to get a big body to plug in at NT, and I know that (aside from Cody, who right now looks like he's going back to school) he's the only guy who catches the eye in the weight column, but that alone doesn't make Brace the answer, guys.

This is a guy who has been plagued all season by back "issues" and has never really been tested on double teams like so many other DTs like this coming out of school - he's been almost exclusively 3-tech and his colleague, BJ Raji, is in a different league: quicker, a great, leveraged uppercut initial punch that throws linemen off balance - Raji is actually double-teamed more and has still been much more productive.

Raji is a true NT. Brace is not. Don't let weight be the only guide, guys.

Raji is almost certainly out of our range, but let's not draft another Carpenter to pretend he's AJ Hawk.

Weight wasn't my guide, I assure you.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Weight wasn't my guide, I assure you.

That's right...if weight was the guide many of us posting here would be walk ons for the NT spot.

 

[Hostile]

That's right...if weight was the guide many of us posting here would be walk ons for the NT spot.

I could play with more heart than Tank did.

I actually said he would start at NT and Ratliff would move to DE.

:bang2:

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I could play with more heart than Tank did.

I actually said he would start at NT and Ratliff would move to DE.

:bang2:

Well you can only go by what you hear in the offseason and word was he worked really hard and he talked about being a beast and all.

Plus I remember back during one Offseason when Antonio Bryant finally seemed to get it when talking in an interview, only to go back and act a fool.

Just go with what info you can....sometimes it pans out, sometimes not.

 

[Shinywalrus]

Fair enough, guys, but I frankly can't come up with another reason why Brace is more than a 7th round/UFA besides his size. He gets pushed around, blocked out of plays, has no pass rush moves, lets linemen get under his pads when double teamed, gets excited and penetrates past the play on zone blocks, and doesn't seem to know his lane assignments.

Yes, he's a solid college player and he has great physical tools and bulk at his disposal, and there's value there, but a #3 or #4 on a guy whose performance was driven heavily by the inability of mediocre competition to deal with his bulk and, more importantly, the beast lined up next to him?

I'm sure some of you simply have differing opinions, which is fine, but the skeptic in me and the part of me that got to see quite a few Eagles games up here in the northeast still says a lot of people are reading draft sites, sorting for the DT list, and looking at weights.

 

[Zaxor]

Fair enough, guys, but I frankly can't come up with another reason why Brace is more than a 7th round/UFA besides his size. He gets pushed around, blocked out of plays, has no pass rush moves, lets linemen get under his pads when double teamed, gets excited and penetrates past the play on zone blocks, and doesn't seem to know his lane assignments.

Yes, he's a solid college player and he has great physical tools and bulk at his disposal, and there's value there, but a #3 or #4 on a guy whose performance was driven heavily by the inability of mediocre competition to deal with his bulk and, more importantly, the beast lined up next to him?

I'm sure some of you simply have differing opinions, which is fine, but the skeptic in me and the part of me that got to see quite a few Eagles games up here in the northeast still says a lot of people are reading draft sites, sorting for the DT list, and looking at weights.

I got to watch 3 BC games and the Music city Bowl game in all 4 games Raji was by far the better player... despite like you said... being doubled the majority of the time

 

[Hostile]

Fair enough, guys, but I frankly can't come up with another reason why Brace is more than a 7th round/UFA besides his size. He gets pushed around, blocked out of plays, has no pass rush moves, lets linemen get under his pads when double teamed, gets excited and penetrates past the play on zone blocks, and doesn't seem to know his lane assignments.

Yes, he's a solid college player and he has great physical tools and bulk at his disposal, and there's value there, but a #3 or #4 on a guy whose performance was driven heavily by the inability of mediocre competition to deal with his bulk and, more importantly, the beast lined up next to him?

I'm sure some of you simply have differing opinions, which is fine, but the skeptic in me and the part of me that got to see quite a few Eagles games up here in the northeast still says a lot of people are reading draft sites, sorting for the DT list, and looking at weights.

For what it is worth. I consult 2 to 3 Draft sites for every player I look at when I make a Mock Draft. Where I have them slotted is where the majority of those sites slot them. Since they overload their slots (in other words up to 40 players named for each round of 32) I sometimes slide them up or down a round.

Brace is in the round he was slotted by all 3 websites I consulted as I started studying. No one has him in the 7th round except you. Doesn't mean you will be wrong and the 3 websites right. Players do fall. Just saying that I am not overpricing him by where he fell in my Mock.

 

[Hostile]

I got to watch 3 BC games and the Music city Bowl game in all 4 games Raji was by far the better player... despite like you said... being doubled the majority of the time

For the record, I am not saying Raji is not better. I am saying Raji will be gone earlier. I believe he will go by the top of the 2nd round. I cannot magically put Raji in the slot where I have Brace.

 

[Zaxor]

For what it is worth. I consult 2 to 3 Draft sites for every player I look at when I make a Mock Draft. Where I have them slotted is where the majority of those sites slot them. Since they overload their slots (in other words up to 40 players named for each round of 32) I sometimes slide them up or down a round.

Brace is in the round he was slotted by all 3 websites I consulted as I started studying. No one has him in the 7th round except you. Doesn't mean you will be wrong and the 3 websites right. Players do fall. Just saying that I am not overpricing him by where he fell in my Mock.

DT's must be in high demand for Brace to go in the 5th...It will be very interesting for sure...

AH this thread makes me smile...its great fun picking out some pet cats

 

[Zaxor]

For the record, I am not saying Raji is not better. I am saying Raji will be gone earlier. I believe he will go by the top of the 2nd round. I cannot magically put Raji in the slot where I have Brace.

I agree he is gone by the end of the 2nd round but he still might be worth trading some late round picks to move up and get... he really looks like a player...but I have been wrong before

 

[Bob Sacamano]

for what it's worth, NFLDraftScout has Brace in the 3rd-4th round

although Hos, I bet you didn't consult that site about Holtzclaw, they peg him as undrafted

 

[Zaxor]

for what it's worth, NFLDraftScout has Brace in the 3rd-4th round

although Hos, I bet you didn't consult that site about Holtzclaw, they peg him as undrafted

If the guy goes that high I think it will be more for the demand for DT's in the NFL than what the guy is actually worth

 

[Shinywalrus]

For what it is worth. I consult 2 to 3 Draft sites for every player I look at when I make a Mock Draft. Where I have them slotted is where the majority of those sites slot them. Since they overload their slots (in other words up to 40 players named for each round of 32) I sometimes slide them up or down a round.

Brace is in the round he was slotted by all 3 websites I consulted as I started studying. No one has him in the 7th round except you. Doesn't mean you will be wrong and the 3 websites right. Players do fall. Just saying that I am not overpricing him by where he fell in my Mock.

No, and you certainly seem to know your business in general - I like a lot of your other guys in the mock, and found myself thinking along the same lines.

It just seems like every year, people find the big nose tackles (like Okam or Bryant last year) and latch onto them. Obviously, that might not be what's happening here, so don't mind me jumping to conclusions.

 

[Shinywalrus]

For the record, I am not saying Raji is not better. I am saying Raji will be gone earlier. I believe he will go by the top of the 2nd round. I cannot magically put Raji in the slot where I have Brace.

Granted. If Raji is available at the top of the second, incidentally, I would consider that a gift from the gods.

 

[Hostile]

for what it's worth, NFLDraftScout has Brace in the 3rd-4th round

although Hos, I bet you didn't consult that site about Holtzclaw, they peg him as undrafted

No, I didn't consult them.

The later we can get him the better. One of my favorite players in this crap. Can't wait to see the combines.

~memo to self... :write: reorder digital cable for the Combines then cancel it again.~