2009 Will Be About Getting It Right

[CF74]

You'd have to ask Red

Oh I see.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Now far as positives, there was positives, which give a glimmer of hope, but hope that beats in my dallas cowboys heart.

1. wade as defensive coordinator, strong positive
2. Releasing roy williams safety, Adam Jones, Tank Johnson, T O, Tony Curtis
3. Replacing Canty with Igor O........., Brooking for Zach bigger linebacker, and Kitna for his strong leadership as above players and Kitna that can help win some games than Brad Johnson too old could do. With Sensabaugh helping out at safety, I heard good remarks on him during the draft in 2005.
4. Gag order of coaches, and possibly players. (I am not sure about the players but at function where Jerry Jones was, Felix Jones, Witten & Romo didnt talk to the media).
5. The draft with the 9 picks & possibly 2 more in compensation.
6. Saying that the Cowboys plan to run more and take ball out of Romo's hands more, thats a positive, means more running & using the Cowboys big offensive line.
7. Possibly a player from Michael Irvins show that can help the Cowboys, as you all know jerry jones is one of the judges.
8. Roy Williams WR, I have high hopes for him, he is a good wr to me, but he must stay in shape, work hard, practice and prove he wants to be one of the best. We need a dominant WR now that T O is gone, I think Roy is that WR but must work and work hard, show that he is the best. And yes, I have taken heat from my views on Roy Williams from a friend of mine that lives in Lufkin, I have said Roy is a good WR and can help the Cowboys while my friend in Lufkin says roy isnt. I still say roy is a good wr, he just has to prove it.
9. McBrair back and special teams new coach.

These are all positives.

 

[Hostile]

No to me, what zach was saying, he had enough of the players not stepping up and wanting to win, but having a lack luster attitude and only play when they have too.

Once again, this is what I am saying. The fact that a quality guy like Zach Thomas, a lifelong Cowboys fan, does not want to play here in 2009 gave me hope that Jerry would get it.

He clearly did because the guys causing the problems are being sent packing even if it means big cap hits. I don't know why that is so hard to grasp.

I saw that Jerry Jones had his pride hurt, im not sold on what wade says, wade is like someone said the other, day, wade is too set in his ways and wont change. The only change you will see from wade is the hiring of some of his former players like Igor, Brooking and Stewart, that’s all wade will do. Now, I do think that Jerry Jones will step up the heat on the players and on Wade too, as well as Garrett.

So much pissing and moaning that you can't even be completely truthful. Gerald Sensabaugh and Jon Kitna are not former Wade players.

Totally disagree Hostile, now were adam jones, tank and T O some of the problems yes, but it all starts with the head coach. Need I remind you of wade’s past history with teams, has he ever won a playoff game when he was head coach. Didn’t by the 3rd year most of the teams he coached as head coach regress? To me, wade hasn’t changed, till he is forced too, then by then it is too late. I just don’t see him changing.

You disagree that those players will not be back? That's insane.

That’s the whole problem, wade is in charge, wade was in charge of a pretty good team in 2007, what happened in December? What was wades response, well we did win a playoff game, the bye week. GIVE ME A BREAK! AGAIN WHAT WAS WADES RESPONSE 4TH GAME OF THE SEASON, EVERYTHING IS OK, DON’T WORRY, BUT WHAT DID WADE SAY AT END OF THE YEAR, EVERYTHING ISNT OK AND CHANGE MUST BE MADE, IT STARTS WITH ME-WADE.

I would respond to this but I have zero respect for all caps screaming and don't give damn about what you might have said because you had to resort to that method. I didn't even bother to read it and won't.

This is where to me your wrong Hostile, lets really be honest, has Roy Williams had a great year while at Detroit? Only one year, one, now saying that, does that sink in Hostile, don’t get upset at the truth. A player must earn that right first, not be given that right on a silver platter. Are you saying Hostile that players are going to look up to Roy Williams as the star wide receiver as number one? Honestly Hostile? You have to earn that right first, so the players respect you, seeing you work hard, practice hard, then players will listen. Again, im not putting down Roy Williams, I like him, but he has to earn that right first, he must make those big catches first, he must get some big touchdowns first, not just one or 2, but makes big catches when they matter,. Then he has earned that right, but not till then.

I'll bet you 50 bucks that the players on the team do not share this narrow minded view you have put forth. We can go double or nothing on the coaches sharing this view if you want. Oh wait, the coaches already believe he is the guy and that's why the former #1 guy is here.

I am sorry that the team's actions speak louder than your bellyaching. I just can't hear you over the facts that are staring you in the face.

I am talking about Roy Williams, Brooking, Kitna, they must earn that right first, work hard in practices. In an ESPN interview (before Owens' release), Williams was asked about his relationship with Terrell Owens, and whether or not the two were workout partners. Williams had this to say: "That's my boy, but we don't work out (together). We probably never will work out (together). He may work out a little too hard for me." If roy Williams wants to be the number one wr, he has to set the tempo to be the number one and work hard, pratice hard, show the team that he wants it.

I'd respond but this really wasn't even interesting to read. Did you miss where before TO was released Roy also said he could be the #1 WR on this team? You must have.

I hope your right Hostile, but I havent heard anything from Wade to say the otherwise. Now, again I will know the truth in OTAs and training camp if my friend takes me to them like he promised. And I will get to also go into the locker room too, at least that’s what he said. And I will make a point to ask Nate what he thinks and sees.

This is what I am talking about you need to pay attention. You haven't heard anything from Wade. Do you know why? The coaches are not talking to the media and thus you aren't hearing anything.

That’s what im saying Hostile, pay attention, you might learn something. To me, if there was going to be a big difference like Wade had said there will be, Wade would have talked to the players at the end of the year, and told them, in no uncertain terms, playing time was over with, get ready to work hard and practice hard, come OTAs and training camp, the gloves are off now and be ready, your partying time is over players, something to that effect, but Wade didn’t even talk to the players.

How do you know that the palyers are not getting the message? Oh that's right, you don't.

Piss and moan.

Its not hogwash Hostile, yes teams do take on the personality of the head coach, what did most of the players tell you during the year? Everything is ok, don’t worry. Where did I hear that before, oh yeah, from wade. I have learned now, the players, the head coach and coaches have to show me now, they want it, a championship. Talk is cheap. Its time to put up or shut up now.

It is utter and complete hogwash. No team "takes on the personality of its coach." Not even a coach as forceful and domineering as Vince Lombardi. Players are still individuals. What they do is buy into a coach's system. That is not taking on his personality. That is accepting the game plan.

To me, to move forward, you have to recognize your mistakes as players and head coach and coaches. What you did wrong and didn’t do. Till you do that, you will repeat the same ole same old thing. That has been wade history. Now, I am all for him showing me, but think about this a moment, what did wade say one time? I got into trouble one time, when I let someone run my defense. Wade said something along the lines, I will never let that happen again. But what did wade do, he let Stewart run the defense, till Jerry Jones came down on his rear end, and made him run the defense. And what did Jerry Jones tell wade and us all fans, wade will be the defensive coordinator, no one else. I see changes from Jerry Jones, but I havent seen them from Wade yet, till I do Hostile, show me, and prove it on the field. Big talk is cheap.

More nonsense. That's all this is. If this team did not learn from 2008, Owens, Pacman, and Brad Johnson would still be here. Tank Johnson would be getting offers from this team.

They aren't. Pay attention.

 

[khiladi]

Because we absolutely had to force the football to Owens. Thought you knew.

This is all excuse making. Now tell me honestly, if this offense was catered to making TO happy, then why didn't it do what would have made TO happy, like putting him in motion and having him run short slants? Instead, Garrett refused to adjust the routes and cater to the strengths of his WR. Over and over again, Garrett was criticized for not running the ball and even Wade pointed it out, and yet, he continued to do what he did. The argument that the offense suffered because it was trying to force the ball to Owens to appease him is absurdity. Garrett had full control over this offense, and he refused to change. He didn't listen to anybody, including Wade and TO.

 

[Rampage]

unless this team overcomes the bad coaching than we're not gonna be much different from last year. Wade is a good DC but not a good HC. Garrett i'll give 1 more year but I'm not liking him right now. last year knowing Proctor couldn't block a gust of wind Garrett kept sending Romo into 5 and 7 step drops constantly. we don't even need to talk about the total miss-use of the runningbacks by him. hopefully Garrett will learn that if you protect your qb with a running game it helps everybody including your defense. and hopefully Garrett will learn that an offense is more deadly when you get everybody involved not just 1 or 2 guys. Wade also needs to trust our secondary more and bring more heat including more presnap movement. I remember in 2007 at the giants Wade lined Ware up at NT presnap and when Eli saw it he called a timeout right away. bam! successful play right there. confusion plays a big part in todays NFL cause teams are much more evenly matched these days.

 

[Apollo Creed]

unless this team overcomes the bad coaching than we're not gonna be much different from last year. Wade is a good DC but not a good HC. Garrett i'll give 1 more year but I'm not liking him right now. last year knowing Proctor couldn't block a gust of wind Garrett kept sending Romo into 5 and 7 step drops constantly. we don't even need to talk about the total miss-use of the runningbacks by him. hopefully Garrett will learn that if you protect your qb with a running game it helps everybody including your defense. and hopefully Garrett will learn that an offense is more deadly when you get everybody involved not just 1 or 2 guys. Wade also needs to trust our secondary more and bring more heat including more presnap movement. I remember in 2007 at the giants Wade lined Ware up at NT presnap and when Eli saw it he called a timeout right away. bam! successful play right there. confusion plays a big part in todays NFL cause teams are much more evenly matched these days.

Made me laugh.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Once again, this is what I am saying. The fact that a quality guy like Zach Thomas, a lifelong Cowboys fan, does not want to play here in 2009 gave me hope that Jerry would get it.

The point im trying to make about Zach Hostile, is he sees the bickering, fighting and not playing up to what you should on the team, thats why Zach wanted to leave. Need I remind you Hosile, a reporter said on the plane ride back a bunch of players were laughing and cutting it up after the loss to phily. Did Wade get on the players no, did wade chew the players out for their attitude like Jimmy Johnson did? NO!

Boy, must have struck a nerve Hostile.

He clearly did because the guys causing the problems are being sent packing even if it means big cap hits. I don't know why that is so hard to grasp.

It wasnt the cap hit about Zach, it was all about Zach if he wanted to play for a team that wanted to win. Read between the lines Hostile, When Chris Canty says something like this along the same lines and so does Jacquee Reeves, then when more than one player is saying so,then you need to listen.
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I saw that Jerry Jones had his pride hurt, im not sold on what wade says, wade is like someone said the other, day, wade is too set in his ways and wont change. The only change you will see from wade is the hiring of some of his former players like Igor, Brooking and Stewart, that’s all wade will do. Now, I do think that Jerry Jones will step up the heat on the players and on Wade too, as well as Garrett.

So much pissing and moaning that you can't even be completely truthful. Gerald Sensabaugh and Jon Kitna are not former Wade players.

I added in those players Sensabaugh and Kitna, because what did Jerry Jones say Hostile, Jerry said we must get better at backup QB, that cant hurt us again like it did last year.


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Totally disagree Hostile, now were adam jones, tank and T O some of the problems yes, but it all starts with the head coach. Need I remind you of wade’s past history with teams, has he ever won a playoff game when he was head coach. Didn’t by the 3rd year most of the teams he coached as head coach regress? To me, wade hasn’t changed, till he is forced too, then by then it is too late. I just don’t see him changing.

You disagree that those players will not be back? That's insane.

I am not disagreeing about those players being back. I am disagreeing about what you think about wade, thats the main issue I am disagreeing about what your saying about wade, to me wade hasnt changed, but jerry jones has, jerry jones gets it, now thats a start, a big start.



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That’s the whole problem, wade is in charge, wade was in charge of a pretty good team in 2007, what happened in December? What was wades response, well we did win a playoff game, the bye week. GIVE ME A BREAK! AGAIN WHAT WAS WADES RESPONSE 4TH GAME OF THE SEASON, EVERYTHING IS OK, DON’T WORRY, BUT WHAT DID WADE SAY AT END OF THE YEAR, EVERYTHING ISNT OK AND CHANGE MUST BE MADE, IT STARTS WITH ME-WADE.

I would respond to this but I have zero respect for all caps screaming and don't give damn about what you might have said because you had to resort to that method. I didn't even bother to read it and won't.

I have already said it once, and dont have to say it again.

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This is where to me your wrong Hostile, lets really be honest, has Roy Williams had a great year while at Detroit? Only one year, one, now saying that, does that sink in Hostile, don’t get upset at the truth. A player must earn that right first, not be given that right on a silver platter. Are you saying Hostile that players are going to look up to Roy Williams as the star wide receiver as number one? Honestly Hostile? You have to earn that right first, so the players respect you, seeing you work hard, practice hard, then players will listen. Again, im not putting down Roy Williams, I like him, but he has to earn that right first, he must make those big catches first, he must get some big touchdowns first, not just one or 2, but makes big catches when they matter,. Then he has earned that right, but not till then.

I'll bet you 50 bucks that the players on the team do not share this narrow minded view you have put forth. We can go double or nothing on the coaches sharing this view if you want. Oh wait, the coaches already believe he is the guy and that's why the former #1 guy is here.

I am sorry that the team's actions speak louder than your bellyaching. I just can't hear you over the facts that are staring you in the face.

And I cant hear you over the facts that I pointed out to you that are staring you in the face, you just dont want to even listen or comprehend.


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I am talking about Roy Williams, Brooking, Kitna, they must earn that right first, work hard in practices. In an ESPN interview (before Owens' release), Williams was asked about his relationship with Terrell Owens, and whether or not the two were workout partners. Williams had this to say: "That's my boy, but we don't work out (together). We probably never will work out (together). He may work out a little too hard for me." If roy Williams wants to be the number one wr, he has to set the tempo to be the number one and work hard, pratice hard, show the team that he wants it.

I'd respond but this really wasn't even interesting to read. Did you miss where before TO was released Roy also said he could be the #1 WR on this team? You must have.

NO, I saw that, my point is that Roy Williams said, He may work alittle too hard for me. Thats my point, if Roy Williams wants to be the number one and earn it, he must step up. Not be given the number one position on a silver platter.


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I hope your right Hostile, but I havent heard anything from Wade to say the otherwise. Now, again I will know the truth in OTAs and training camp if my friend takes me to them like he promised. And I will get to also go into the locker room too, at least that’s what he said. And I will make a point to ask Nate what he thinks and sees.

This is what I am talking about you need to pay attention. You haven't heard anything from Wade. Do you know why? The coaches are not talking to the media and thus you aren't hearing anything.

Yes, I have heard from wade, wait a minute, you must not have been listening, then Hostile, Wade did talk twice after the Phily loss, guess you missed that huh.


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That’s what im saying Hostile, pay attention, you might learn something. To me, if there was going to be a big difference like Wade had said there will be, Wade would have talked to the players at the end of the year, and told them, in no uncertain terms, playing time was over with, get ready to work hard and practice hard, come OTAs and training camp, the gloves are off now and be ready, your partying time is over players, something to that effect, but Wade didn’t even talk to the players.

How do you know that the palyers are not getting the message? Oh that's right, you don't.

I think some of the players are getting the message, but not all of them. What I think is this Hostile and bear with me. One more player needs to be cut, traded or released to really send the message home, especially when OTAs start and training camp. Now whom should that player be, to me, either Greg Ellis or Flozell Adams. Then, that will be all the messages that you need to send. The effects of T O, tank johnson, adam jones, roy williams will wear off by the time OTAs start and training camp, so you need to send one more little message.

Piss and moan.

I am not pissing and moaning. Once, I was like you in the sense that I believed every year the Cowboys had a chance for the super bowl, even in the years 1998 to 2007. Some of those as you know were good years and bad years, the cowboys just didnt have the players like in 2001 etc. But I was still hopeful. Now I am fool me no more, fool me once, ok, fool me twice, then its on me.

Hostile, be honest here, how many times have we heard the players say we want to win, but only lay an egg in december. So now, I wont be fooled anymore, i am tired of promises, show me, put up or shut up.

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Its not hogwash Hostile, yes teams do take on the personality of the head coach, what did most of the players tell you during the year? Everything is ok, don’t worry. Where did I hear that before, oh yeah, from wade. I have learned now, the players, the head coach and coaches have to show me now, they want it, a championship. Talk is cheap. Its time to put up or shut up now.

It is utter and complete hogwash. No team "takes on the personality of its coach." Not even a coach as forceful and domineering as Vince Lombardi. Players are still individuals. What they do is buy into a coach's system. That is not taking on his personality. That is accepting the game plan.

when i say take on the personality of the head coach, again your not listening to what im saying Hostile. The players said same thing wade was saying everything is ok, dont worry. Was everything ok Hostile? Didnt wade say first at the start of the year, everything is ok, and didnt wade say everything isnt ok at the end of the year Hostile? To me, wade is the type of person he wont act, till he is pushed into something. It takes a great coach to admit he is wrong. And if you look at half of what most of the posters post about, that wade is a great defensive coordinator, I agree with that, but to me wade isnt a head coach. Wade has had 3 opportunities to prove that, in Buffalo, Denver and Dallas, he had a great chance to change that in 2007 if he just listened to people about the december slide by players the past 5 years. Wade refused and wouldnt listen, now he does, thats my point Hostile, he waits till it is too late. That to me isnt a great coach, and when a coach has you running around in shorts the first 25 days of training camp and no hitting, that to me isnt a great head coach.

Be honest Hostile when you played football, did you coach have you run around in shorts, and no hitting the first 25 days of training camp?

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To me, to move forward, you have to recognize your mistakes as players and head coach and coaches. What you did wrong and didn’t do. Till you do that, you will repeat the same ole same old thing. That has been wade history. Now, I am all for him showing me, but think about this a moment, what did wade say one time? I got into trouble one time, when I let someone run my defense. Wade said something along the lines, I will never let that happen again. But what did wade do, he let Stewart run the defense, till Jerry Jones came down on his rear end, and made him run the defense. And what did Jerry Jones tell wade and us all fans, wade will be the defensive coordinator, no one else. I see changes from Jerry Jones, but I havent seen them from Wade yet, till I do Hostile, show me, and prove it on the field. Big talk is cheap.

More nonsense. That's all this is. If this team did not learn from 2008, Owens, Pacman, and Brad Johnson would still be here. Tank Johnson would be getting offers from this team.

They aren't. Pay attention.

I am trying to get you to pay attention Hostile, these are all moves that Jerry Jones has mostly made, now comes the time we will see if wade is all talk which i think he is or not, the OTAs and training camp starts soon after that, then we will see. I am just saying which you keep missing my main point Hostile, show me first, put up or shut up dallas cowboys, no more talk, do it, then I will believe, you have broken my heart the last 5 years, no more, put up or shut up, thats my motto.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You realize Houck was the OL coach on the 93 and 95 Super Bowl teams too right?

Yeah, so what? You realize that it was in the mid nineties that a lot of new blitz schemes were conceived and popularized. LeBeau's zone bliyz was popularized during this time. The game looks to have just passed him by.

 

[Hostile]

The point im trying to make about Zach Hostile, is he sees the bickering, fighting and not playing up to what you should on the team, thats why Zach wanted to leave. Need I remind you Hosile, a reporter said on the plane ride back a bunch of players were laughing and cutting it up after the loss to phily. Did Wade get on the players no, did wade chew the players out for their attitude like Jimmy Johnson did? NO!

Boy, must have struck a nerve Hostile.

Judas Freaking Priest! Why not just admit you don't grasp what I'm talking about? Why the hell am I wasting my time?

It wasnt the cap hit about Zach, it was all about Zach if he wanted to play for a team that wanted to win. Read between the lines Hostile, When Chris Canty says something like this along the same lines and so does Jacquee Reeves, then when more than one player is saying so,then you need to listen.

Did I say it was a cap hit for Zach? No I didn't. So I don't give a damn about this.

I added in those players Sensabaugh and Kitna, because what did Jerry Jones say Hostile, Jerry said we must get better at backup QB, that cant hurt us again like it did last year.

Ah, so you don't get it that you spoke out of your butt and got called on it. Okay.

I am not disagreeing about those players being back. I am disagreeing about what you think about wade, thats the main issue I am disagreeing about what your saying about wade, to me wade hasnt changed, but jerry jones has, jerry jones gets it, now thats a start, a big start.

Okay, I guess.

I have already said it once, and dont have to say it again.

Said what? I didn't read it because it was disrespectful.

And I cant hear you over the facts that I pointed out to you that are staring you in the face, you just dont want to even listen or comprehend.

That's a damned shame.

NO, I saw that, my point is that Roy Williams said, He may work alittle too hard for me. Thats my point, if Roy Williams wants to be the number one and earn it, he must step up. Not be given the number one position on a silver platter.

Boring. Put me to sleep.

Yes, I have heard from wade, wait a minute, you must not have been listening, then Hostile, Wade did talk twice after the Phily loss, guess you missed that huh.

You're still pisisng and moaning about 2008. This thread is not about 2008. The sooner you can grasp that the better it will sit with you. I've tried pointing it out to you but you apparently can't get past 2008.

I think some of the players are getting the message, but not all of them. What I think is this Hostile and bear with me. One more player needs to be cut, traded or released to really send the message home, especially when OTAs start and training camp. Now whom should that player be, to me, either Greg Ellis or Flozell Adams. Then, that will be all the messages that you need to send. The effects of T O, tank johnson, adam jones, roy williams will wear off by the time OTAs start and training camp, so you need to send one more little message.

Proof that you did not do what i said and read the original post. You just jumped in pissing and moaning about 2008. If you had read the original post you'd see where I think the team shoul waive Greg Ellis. How kind of you to give me advice on something that was part of the original premise in the first place.

I am not pissing and moaning. Once, I was like you in the sense that I believed every year the Cowboys had a chance for the super bowl, even in the years 1998 to 2007. Some of those as you know were good years and bad years, the cowboys just didnt have the players like in 2001 etc. But I was still hopeful. Now I am fool me no more, fool me once, ok, fool me twice, then its on me.

Hostile, be honest here, how many times have we heard the players say we want to win, but only lay an egg in december. So now, I wont be fooled anymore, i am tired of promises, show me, put up or shut up.

Huh? I was distracted by the moaning and making sure there wasn't a trickle of yellow creeping across the floor.

when i say take on the personality of the head coach, again your not listening to what im saying Hostile. The players said same thing wade was saying everything is ok, dont worry. Was everything ok Hostile? Didnt wade say first at the start of the year, everything is ok, and didnt wade say everything isnt ok at the end of the year Hostile? To me, wade is the type of person he wont act, till he is pushed into something. It takes a great coach to admit he is wrong. And if you look at half of what most of the posters post about, that wade is a great defensive coordinator, I agree with that, but to me wade isnt a head coach. Wade has had 3 opportunities to prove that, in Buffalo, Denver and Dallas, he had a great chance to change that in 2007 if he just listened to people about the december slide by players the past 5 years. Wade refused and wouldnt listen, now he does, thats my point Hostile, he waits till it is too late. That to me isnt a great coach, and when a coach has you running around in shorts the first 25 days of training camp and no hitting, that to me isnt a great head coach.

I rarely listen to nonsense. That might be the issue here.

Be honest Hostile when you played football, did you coach have you run around in shorts, and no hitting the first 25 days of training camp?

College football is not pro football. Walk ons like me got hit. In the NFL you have ot pay them a salary and might compound it with an injury settlement. There's a difference between a business like an NFL team, and a college team where you can have up to 80 players and no preseason.

How's that for dropping a little 411 on ya?

I am trying to get you to pay attention Hostile, these are all moves that Jerry Jones has mostly made, now comes the time we will see if wade is all talk which i think he is or not, the OTAs and training camp starts soon after that, then we will see. I am just saying which you keep missing my main point Hostile, show me first, put up or shut up dallas cowboys, no more talk, do it, then I will believe, you have broken my heart the last 5 years, no more, put up or shut up, thats my motto.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Yawn.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We need to lose that division between offense and defense. Its obvious that they were divided and they play like it, its hard playing for 3 head coaches. Especially when you can undermine both of them by goin straight to the top if you don't like your fine, penalty, etc.

The defense coming to the defense of Owens last year showed that there are problems on our team bigger than we can all understand. We can speculate all we want - but we're better off without Owens in terms of chemistry. I hope we match his production with a young burner opposite Roy, that can return punts and provide this offense with some wiggle.

The one thing you didn't mention Hos, Felix Jones. Great move by Jerry, being patient, and ultimately getting one of the more special backs I've seen in my 21 years of watching football. 6 TDs in 7 games, didn't get a single touch in that Skins game. So heres to Garrett getting a little more creative and using perhaps our best big-play option.

Our draft this year can't really hurt us, unless we totally bomb 11 picks - but it also can put us over the hump and load our depth chart with quality young guys that are hungry to perform. Which we saw with Felix, TC, Bennett, Jenkins, and Scandrick last year - guys wanting a chance to make plays, pushing our more lethargic elder-statesmen. Which is why I hope we draft OL/DL heavy in this draft, once we solve our SS and WR issues. That group needs more pushing than any other unit on our squad.

The only problem was that it was not offense versus defense. Barber and Crayton came out and defended TO. Now what it was, was Romo, Witten, Garrett, Carpenter and Columbo versus TO and friends. The schism wasn't along the LOS. The two sides do have something in common however.

 

[cowboyjoe]

blah, blah, blah,

apparantely you cant grasp it yet hostile,

if you dont learn from your mistakes, your past, then your doomed to repeat the same old mistakes over and over

till you learn from those mistakes and correct them, your going to repeat them over and over;


you put me to sleep with some of your comments too

now i do agree that jerry jones gets it, but wade hasnt gotten it yet, thats my main point, till wade does, then i will use my motto

put up or shut up, show me

 

[Hostile]

blah, blah, blah,

apparantely you cant grasp it yet hostile,

if you dont learn from your mistakes, your past, then your doomed to repeat the same old mistakes over and over

till you learn from those mistakes and correct them, your going to repeat them over and over;


you put me to sleep with some of your comments too

now i do agree that jerry jones gets it, but wade hasnt gotten it yet, thats my main point, till wade does, then i will use my motto

put up or shut up, show me

2008 ≠ 2009

Everyone else got it.

 

[cowboyjoe]

2008 ≠ 2009

Everyone else got it.
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Yawn!

 

[gmoney112]

I like syrup. Oh and I'm optimistic about the upcoming season or something.

 

[khiladi]

Yeah, so what? You realize that it was in the mid nineties that a lot of new blitz schemes were conceived and popularized. LeBeau's zone bliyz was popularized during this time. The game looks to have just passed him by.

Houck's bread and butter has always been the run game, which is contrary to how Garrett likes to coach. Even during these years where blitz schemes allegedly changed, the numbers put up by Houck's running backs, in terms of yards per carry, are ridiculous, Ronnie Brown and Tomlinson included. You forget that Houch was coaching that OL when San Diego went 14-2.

 

[Bleu Star]

I said it last year - I'll say it again. Our OL needs to be revamped. I've actually been saying same for 3 years. If they don't (and it doesn't look like they're going to) revamp and retool the OL, by mid-season, this board will sound JUST like last year, and the year before etc. - - "our OL sucks", "Flo has gotta go" "we can't run block for ****" etc......just my 2 cents FWIW...You win in the trenches and our OL is WAY overrated by many...

Hos makes excellent posts. That said, I think you're definitely raising an important issue. Our Oline isn't getting any younger and we still have a LT that false starts at least once a game. Things like that can really kill drives. I'm fully subscribed to the "get younger" theory. Guys like Choice, Bennett, Felix, and Scandrick all make me excited about the future. However, the one constant remains. The one thing that stands in the way of true progress right now is Wade and Jason. I have no choice so I will have to give them one more year to right the ship so to speak.. But my opinion of their leadership tactics hasn't changed one bit. Jason is in over his head at OC and Wade's laissez faire approach to coaching has proven underwhelming to me since he was hired here. I know this thread is meant to be positive and, despite 13 years and counting, I am still hopeful we can somehow put this talent together into something that will forge deep into the playoffs this year. Hopeful.. not confident..

 

[Apollo Creed]

The only problem was that it was not offense versus defense. Barber and Crayton came out and defended TO. Now what it was, was Romo, Witten, Garrett, Carpenter and Columbo versus TO and friends. The schism wasn't along the LOS. The two sides do have something in common however.

Didn't know Colombo made his feelings known, but I did feel that towards the end of the year the D was coming to his defense.

Particularly when the defense started to put together a few games, and for the first time in a long time - they felt they were carrying the team. So our very undeservedly outspoken defense, starting popping their mouth off supporting Owens because they felt that RJ, Romo, and Witten were the problem.

I think the Romo and Witten rumors were started by members of our defense, not Owens. Owens, as usual, just ran with it and made the entire situation worse.

 

[khiladi]

Didn't know Colombo made his feelings known, but I did feel that towards the end of the year the D was coming to his defense.

Nobody has made their feelings known about Owens, except some anonymous player. We have Roy WIlliams making his feelings known about Garrett and RW is going to be the number 1 receiver. He called TO his best friend. What does that say about Jerry, especially now, expressing all his love about RW? Tony Romo questioned Garrett in the final press conference, essentially confirming what TO had said. They also tried bringing in Dan Reeves, who was going to spend time on the offense, but he left abruptly. Jerry has created a cluster-**** of a situation with Garrett.

 

[dreghorn2]

Huh? I was distracted by the moaning and making sure there wasn't a trickle of yellow creeping across the floor.


Hostile you are a mod and this is a great site with a lot of class, please don't drag it into the gutter.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Our oline was top5 in 2007, easily. Our pass protection was immaculate. Jason Garrett has not ever given the running game enough of a chance to get on track. When you are averaging 20ish runs a game then you do not wear down a defense to the point where those 3 yard runs turn into 6 and 7 yard runs. Then again if youre averaging 20ish passes a game TO would have gone into complete meltdown.

I really do not get out how people can make any sort of definitive claim as to the status of our oline. Kosier and then Holland went out leaving Proctor to start 10+ games which was a horrible situation and Flo dealt with 3 severe injuries all year. Sure that gives concerns about Free but realistically how can you make any sort of claim on a 2nd year LT when we really have only seen him play 40 odd snaps in the preseason. Saying that Flo is done when all he was doing was gutting it out is both unfair and asinine.

Really what it comes down to is the development of Free and who of Kosier and Holland starts. In an ideal world, our armchair scouts are wrong and the progress of Free is coming along well and Holland starts. That means Kosier can the top backup; he has experience at both guard spots and RT and Free can backup LT. That really only leaves center.

Lets not delude ourselves. Outside of a few elite prospects like Thomas, no rookie is going to come in and protect the left side. No LT that we might have picked at 21 much less 15 would be able to pull that off. We had better hope that Free is progressing because if Flo goes down we are screwed at LT no matter what we do at 51 if he is not.

We are not hamstrung here. If value at OL drops to us then of course you take him if its BPA but quite a DT or SS is pretty much guaranteed to see playing time whereas an OT or OG/C will be a developmental guy. Both have value but I really wish the projected DT in the second round were a bit more inspiring. I just hope Ciskowski and crew keep up the good work.