2014 draft class doesn't look bad

[BigStar]

The last 5 years late rounds(5-7) have produced Brent, Lissemore, Hanna, Randle, Dwayne Harris.
Lots of misses too but the guys at the top have been very good including Dez, Lee, Tyron, TFred, Martin all arguably being top 5 at their position.

I would only really count Harris out of that group as major contributors. Hanna is somewhat of an enigma but like his athleticism and his improved blocking this season (shout to @Zordon for that observation early on). I don't know what is wrong with Randle (simpleton) but he will likely be cut (and should be). Brent was starting to come on and Lissemore came on more for SD than he did for us but I guess you're saying talent was drafted regardless so I hear your point there as well. Really wish they would just pick more big school OL/DL in these 4-5 ranges.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Barron was a complete miss at Safety. That would be a worse pick than what they made.
The Bucs just traded Barron for a r4 and r6.
That's ridiculously bad return.

Barron was not a complete miss at safety. He is nothing more than a victim of a system change. He was playing at an all pro level at safety his rookie year.

At that time we needed a safety. Thus he would have made more sense than I thought than Claiborne. Mo is a bust. Barron in the right system will have a long NFL career.
The Rams are lucky to get him on the cheap.

 

[BigStar]

Barron was not a complete miss at safety. He is nothing more than a victim of a system change. He was playing at an all pro level at safety his rookie year.

At that time we needed a safety. Thus he would have made more sense than I thought than Claiborne. Mo is a bust. Barron in the right system will have a long NFL career.
The Rams are lucky to get him on the cheap.

What system though...I like Barron (his numbers support a decent SS). Asking tbh kinda thing? Dated S are now LBs. Think of Church, etc. Maybe a Chancellor type role seen in SEA? Low safeties (Cover 3 and 8 box looks) are becoming outdated. You seem to need to be just a bit better @ tackling but more efficient @ cover closing gaps in coverage. This is where Church really sticks out tbh. Yes, the D is lacking talent, but he would be a bigger hole on a better defense (so would anybody).

 

[ConstantReboot]

Barron may seem like a Roy Williams type of safety. But from what I've seen he wasn't bad in coverage at all.
He was traded because he didn't fit the cover two which Tampa uses and has nothing to do whether he's an outdated safety or not. The same thing they did to Revis. Nonetheless, I stated before, he's gonna outlast Mo in the NFL. Mo was a bust from the beginning and it's looking like that.

 

[jobberone]

Hitchens has surprised. He hits hard and has good instincts. Like what I've seen out of him.

We knew he could tackle and had good instincts. Coverage is still up in the air but then that's normal for most draftees. He's playing better than many who thought he could play some. That's a decent sized plus for a 4th rounder even if you're on his side.

 

[burmafrd]

Mo will never sniff the Pro Bowl. Complete miss. mentally and physically the boys totally misjudged him.

 

[Titleist]

Barron was not a complete miss at safety. He is nothing more than a victim of a system change. He was playing at an all pro level at safety his rookie year.

At that time we needed a safety. Thus he would have made more sense than I thought than Claiborne. Mo is a bust. Barron in the right system will have a long NFL career.
The Rams are lucky to get him on the cheap.

One could say the same thing about Mo. He was drafted to be a physical, press CB but got stuck in a zone scheme that he was never familiar with at LSU. I will say that he likely does not have the football IQ to competently perform in complex coverages. I think he will be successful in the right scheme once he moves on from the Cowboys.

 

[ConstantReboot]

One could say the same thing about Mo. He was drafted to be a physical, press CB but got stuck in a zone scheme that he was never familiar with at LSU. I will say that he likely does not have the football IQ to competently perform in complex coverages. I think he will be successful in the right scheme once he moves on from the Cowboys.

Maybe your right I'm not one to argue. However, I watched a lot of film on him and he never really stood out as a shut down corner. His combine numbers were average at best and he couldn't tackle. I never really bought in on the hype that he was the 2nd coming of Deion especially when his competition in College was at best 3rd stringers. Mattheau aka Honey Badger did most of the work in covering the other teams best receivers if any. Basically he rode on the fact he covered inferior talent which wasn't hard to do in his conference.

 

[Macnalty]

Lots of stuff here.

Firstly, not every 1st round pick is going to be a franchise cornerstone.
Jenkins has legitimate NFL starting ability and has had it for 7 years at one of the most demanding positions.
He beat out the guy we consider our best defensive player like 3 times... even after he demanded a trade and whined.

That's a solid if not more than that, pick in the 20s.

Business decision stuff started with Deion saying it about himself.
Anyone going to suggest he couldn't play?

Mo was "largely" not misjudged in talent. He has probably been mismanaged since then in a rush to get value.
But anyone with eyes can see his speed and ability to turn and run with people.
But he needs to add weight and strength. --Deion was over 6' and 200 pounds. Not 5'11" and 180.
And it is hard to do that when always injured.
This IR stay might be great for his development.
Depends on if they can get him in the weight room.

His ceiling hasn't changed just the perception of him.

For me in my mind I have never been more disgusted than when the Giants big running back (Brandon Jacobs) went right by Jenkins without so much as a nod on his way to scoring. That has taken a month of Sundays to get over. I hope you do not know of the play.
I thought that year with those two picks in the first round we would at least hit on one of the two, we will have a difference of opinion on Jenkins talent level, above average yes agree with that plateau, first round talent, I would say he is a typical miss in the first round. If you think he was a hit we are looking at different attributes. I also might be doing a disservice to Jenkins in comparing him to Claiborne. Both started off if my good graces and through play on the field earned their trips to the doghaus. Claiborne is just a guy these days he will command redemption from his play on the field and in multiple games, hope he has the demeanor to do what is necessary. Otherwise he is just going to be media fodder for the next couple of years to toss into Jerry's GM personna.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Mo will never sniff the Pro Bowl. Complete miss. mentally and physically the boys totally misjudged him.

That may be true but there are a lot of teams in that same boat. He was very very high on most teams draft board.