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Take movies about WW2 for example, its hard to cast a lot of african americans in these roles because society at that time was even more divided and african americans were largely kept from participating in the action that has been typically depicted on screen. How do you force people of color into a role in these movies and still strive to present an authentic story?
http://www.pacificwarmuseum.org/your-visit/african-americans-in-wwii/
http://www.nationalww2museum.org/assets/pdfs/african-americans-in-world.pdf
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/aframerwar/
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/02/25/postal.battalion/

Force isn't necessary. There were more than enough World War II experiences, involving male and female African Americans, involved inside and outside actual combat. Film can relate history but only if it attempts to do so.
 

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http://www.pacificwarmuseum.org/your-visit/african-americans-in-wwii/
http://www.nationalww2museum.org/assets/pdfs/african-americans-in-world.pdf
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/aframerwar/
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/02/25/postal.battalion/

Force isn't necessary. There were more than enough World War II experiences, involving male and female African Americans, involved inside and outside actual combat. Film can relate history but only if it attempts to do so.

My point wasn't that there are no WW2 stories that involve black people but there were definitely situations (the eastern front, the german culture and high command, etc, etc) where there were likely none.

Having said that, if there were africans (American or otherwise) that were part of the german high command or fought on the eastern front that would make a hell of a story and I'd love to see it on the big screen.
 

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My point wasn't that there are no WW2 stories that involve black people but there were definitely situations (the eastern front, the german culture and high command, etc, etc) where there were likely none.

Having said that, if there were africans (American or otherwise) that were part of the german high command or fought on the eastern front that would make a hell of a story and I'd love to see it on the big screen.
I'm not sure why anyone would have an issue with any of this. There were situations during World War II where African Americans were completely separated from the eastern front, German society or Allied High Command. Not only would such stories minus African Americans would make great movies in the future but they already have been made as great movies in the past. That's your point. It's a great point. And many moviegoers of every shade or creed would enjoy such movies. I know I would. And have.

However, World War II was a global conflict involving many different people, millions in fact, including African Americans. There are stories yet to be told, whether it's isolated to specific European theater conflicts or outside it. Any competent screenwriter could adapt such stories for the screen. Any competent director could orchestrate their creation for the screen. And yes, people, representing the varied ethnicities that did fight or interacted in some way with the war, could play those parts without fail. And perhaps, just maybe, there is the slight chance that those stories, which screenwriters could develop, that directors could envision and shape, and actors of color could convey on camera--might entertain not only a narrow demographic but general audiences as well.

Hollywood can create just about anything the mind can imagine. Hollywood can create just about anything that can be moderately or hugely successful at the box office. What Hollywood doesn't know is its own potential to use its unbridled imagination to wow every audience it can possibly attracted--and make billions more in the process. Hollywood's first step may not land on the safe, worn path of yesteryear it knows so well but the undiscovered country lying before it still largely unexplored.
 

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I'm not sure why anyone would have an issue with any of this. There were situations during World War II where African Americans were completely separated from the eastern front, German society or Allied High Command. Not only would such stories minus African Americans would make great movies in the future but they already have been made as great movies in the past. That's your point. It's a great point. And many moviegoers of every shade or creed would enjoy such movies. I know I would. And have.

However, World War II was a global conflict involving many different people, millions in fact, including African Americans. There are stories yet to be told, whether it's isolated to specific European theater conflicts or outside it. Any competent screenwriter could adapt such stories for the screen. Any competent director could orchestrate their creation for the screen. And yes, people, representing the varied ethnicities that did fight or interacted in some way with the war, could play those parts without fail. And perhaps, just maybe, there is the slight chance that those stories, which screenwriters could develop, that directors could envision and shape, and actors of color could convey on camera--might entertain not only a narrow demographic but general audiences as well.

Hollywood can create just about anything the mind can imagine. Hollywood can create just about anything that can be moderately or hugely successful at the box office. What Hollywood doesn't know is its own potential to use its unbridled imagination to wow every audience it can possibly attracted--and make billions more in the process. Hollywood's first step may not land on the safe, worn path of yesteryear it knows so well but the undiscovered country lying before it still largely unexplored.

Agreed and well said (I could spend the rest of my life watching WW2 stories and never grow tired).
 

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Leo has grown into one of the best actors in the business today . I was glad to see him get an Oscar.
 

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Leo has grown into one of the best actors in the business today . I was glad to see him get an Oscar.

right there with you. i hated him in titanic but then, i really hated the titanic and the hype around it. he did an ok job but that's what the film required. but in movies like blood diamond, wolf of wall street, and other roles, he's clearly shown he's not a character but a true actor of our times.

we have a ton of characters. most notable people in hollywood are characters. we have so few actors and i put him there for sure.

as for the people making fun of him, or his ego, or whatever - i just don't follow the private lives. i dig them on the screen, but leave it there.
 

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I lost interest in the Oscars when they felt the need to degrade popular films for consideration just because they were popular.

Now it's loaded with artsy-fartsy stuff that no one watches... there are exceptions of course, but most of the films are heavy on art and light on entertainment.
 

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I lost interest in the Oscars when they felt the need to degrade popular films for consideration just because they were popular.

Now it's loaded with artsy-fartsy stuff that no one watches... there are exceptions of course, but most of the films are heavy on art and light on entertainment.

i tend to go heavy in the message when i write. you can look on my site renegaderadio.net and in the video player, i have 7 sunsets. i wrote it, acted in it (im the prisoner) and directed to a point. a friend did the rest if the directing, camerawork, post production and took care of the background music. it's 24 minutes long and for a while i thought it could have gotten bigger and still may. just not heard back from someone who was helping make it full length.

anyway - always wanted to do that so i did. now i just need to get back to writing.
 

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Yeah as really the Oscars also goes on way too long for hours and hours! No offense!
 

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My absolute favourite thing about the Oscars is screener season. It boggles my mind that they will send out thousands of dvds for movies not even released yet and act shocked and dismayed when they end up on torrent sites. Putting the actual potential amount your movie can earn in hopes of winning a nomination is insane to me. But as the NFL season winds down there is always a glut of film to watch, stay glorious hollyweird.
 

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Once I heard before the Oscars that Lady Gaga would be paying tribute tot he "Free Kesha" BS, I lost the little bit of interest i had in watching it this year. Lady Gaga is a moron, look at this gem of a quote.

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Once I heard before the Oscars that Lady Gaga would be paying tribute tot he "Free Kesha" BS, I lost the little bit of interest i had in watching it this year. Lady Gaga is a moron, look at this gem of a quote.

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LOL, you cant make this stuff up. I needed a laugh this morning and after doing a little bit of research I got several. Oh the horror, free that gurl{bonus points for inserting a trendy hip noun}now.
 

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I lost interest in the Oscars when they felt the need to degrade popular films for consideration just because they were popular.

Now it's loaded with artsy-fartsy stuff that no one watches... there are exceptions of course, but most of the films are heavy on art and light on entertainment.

Sorry man, I know you were really rooting for Avengers 2 to bring home the gold. ;)
 

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right there with you. i hated him in titanic but then, i really hated the titanic and the hype around it. he did an ok job but that's what the film required. but in movies like blood diamond, wolf of wall street, and other roles, he's clearly shown he's not a character but a true actor of our times.

we have a ton of characters. most notable people in hollywood are characters. we have so few actors and i put him there for sure.

as for the people making fun of him, or his ego, or whatever - i just don't follow the private lives. i dig them on the screen, but leave it there.

The Departed and Gangs of New York changed my opinion of him. He done great work in Django as well even though his part was limited.
 

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Once I heard before the Oscars that Lady Gaga would be paying tribute tot he "Free Kesha" BS, I lost the little bit of interest i had in watching it this year. Lady Gaga is a moron, look at this gem of a quote.

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Why does fame turn normal , but talented people into idiots? To make matters worse, they share their opinions as if the general public cares about their thoughts on politics and other subjects.
 

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Why does fame turn normal , but talented people into idiots? To make matters worse, they share their opinions as if the general public cares about their thoughts on politics and other subjects.

Someone, probably her agent, told her that her views on these issues need to change. She was actually AGAINST the Kesha claims a couple years ago, now she's in full support and banking off rape hysteria.

It's incredibly disturbing this "Listen and believe" stuff is so popular right now.
 
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