2017 Free Agents. Decisions

[Bluefin]

Salary cap accounting and only salary cap accounting. Am I clear on that? Can you do our readers that courtesy?

A guide to the NFL salary cap

 

[Nightman]

Rule #1: When we talk football salaries we ONLY care about salary cap implications. You repeatedly are violating that rule. Some might get the idea you keep doing it to obfuscate the issue for our readers.

Nobody here cares snot about Jerry's bank account or a player's bank account.

When you agree to continue this discussion without further fog attacks we can make much better progress.

Salary cap accounting and only salary cap accounting. Am I clear on that? Can you do our readers that courtesy?

That is not a rule anywhere but your house........the actual money paid is 10x more important than the cap hit

When you say "pay" and talk about Dead Money that is 100% incorrect and you should stop doing it

 

[T-RO]

Rule #2...this one is for the readers.

Beware when anyone in the government talks about "savings on the national debt" or football salary cap "savings."

Technically they aren't lying when they do it.... but it is very often deceptive.

It's a great little trick. You can use it with your wife or your boss. I'll show you how it works--and how Bluefin is playing the game...later in the evening.

 

[T-RO]

That is not a rule anywhere but your house........the actual money paid is 10x more important than the cap hit

When you say "pay" and talk about Dead Money that is 100% incorrect and you should stop doing it

The salary cap...this year and all subsequent years...is the issue at hand.

 

[Nightman]

The salary cap...this year and all subsequent years...is the issue at hand.

No it isn't.....it is part of the equation but not the whole picture by a long shot

Dead money is a sunk cost and has no effect on keeping a player or not...it is guaranteed money and base salaries that matter when making those decisions

Using Dead Money as payment will just make you look ignorant to people that know what they are talking about

 

[Nightman]

Rule #2...this one is for the readers.

Beware when anyone in the government talks about "savings on the national debt" or football salary cap "savings."

Technically they aren't lying when they do it.... but it is very often deceptive.

It's a great little trick. You can use it with your wife or your boss. I'll show you how it works--and how Bluefin is playing the game...later in the evening.

If Mayowa is cut next year DAL saves 400k of his scheduled cap hit.......that is real.......it goes from 2.6m to 2.2m...they save an additional 1.1m if they cut him after June 1st......again, real savings not some trick

 

[T-RO]

If Mayowa gets released, Dallas won't owe him a penny. His 2017 and '18 base salaries will never be paid.

As it impacts our 2017 and 2018 combined salary cap..speaking in salary cap terms:

We pay 2.6$ million for Benson to play.
Or
We pay 2.2$ million for Benson to walk.

That--once again--is ironclad FACT...something you are incredibly eager to cloud.

The literal check for the signing bonus is the full amount due upon signature. But in cap terms is it amortized (as I reference four pages ago).

We don't care when Jerry actually writes the checks or what pen he uses to sign with!

 

[T-RO]

If Mayowa is cut next year DAL saves 400k of his scheduled cap hit.......that is real.......it goes from 2.6m to 2.2m...they save an additional 1.1m if they cut him after June 1st......again, real savings not some trick

That's no savings at all. You are talking like a politician.

Paying after June 1 is not one penny less. It just delays the cap hit of that 1.1 million for 12 months.

 

[Nightman]

That's no savings at all. You are talking like a politician.

Paying after June 1 is not one penny less. It just delays the cap hit of that 1.1 million for 12 months.

You are 100% wrong but feel to keep digging

 

[T-RO]

You are 100% wrong but feel to keep digging

I don't even own a shovel.

Dead Cap = Paying a player who isn't on the roster.

 

[Nightman]

Dead Cap = Paying a player who isn't on the roster.

that is not what it means at all........it is accounting for salary that has already been paid and earned

it is like a credit card bill for the vacation you took last year(except it is interest free)

Whether you go on vacation again this year or not you still have to pay for last year's bill......you have to decide whether or not you can afford another trip independent of the previous bill.......a new vacation means spending more real dollars............not going means some of the money you already budgeted towards this year's trip can be allocated somewhere else or just saved

 

[Nightman]

As it impacts our 2017 and 2018 combined salary cap..speaking in salary cap terms:

We pay 2.6$ million for Benson to play.
Or
We pay 2.2$ million for Benson to walk.

His combined hit if he stays for 2017 and 2018 is 6.4m not 2.6m......cutting him next Spring saves 4.2m off the combined cap hits

The 2.2m in dead money is his salary for 2016.......it has already been PAID and earned

 

[T-RO]

that is not what it means at all......

You have proven to be a guy who just doesn't learn a lesson until someone pounds you with a big stick.

OK...bkight13....here is the pounding you are begging for.

"Dead money is the salary cap space a team must allocate to a particular player who has been cut."

Tyler Raborn, Bleacher Report

"The money left on the cap from the cap hit teams take by cutting player is called dead money."

Blogging The Boys

"it’s the money teams must still pay to players if they are cut or traded"

IB Times


My definition of dead cap above is matched by these 3 almost to a word.

Your notion is amiss. Whether a player has "earned" their salary or salary bonus is subjective and has nothing to do with it.

I've already told you the rules repeatedly: we speak in salary cap terms. When I say "owe a player" I'm talking what we owe the cap related to the player. It's no different than the language of many salary cap articles and publications.

 

[Nightman]

You have proven to be a guy who just doesn't learn a lesson until someone pounds you with a big stick.

OK...bkight13....here is the pounding you are begging for.

"Dead money is the salary cap space a team must allocate to a particular player who has been cut."

Tyler Raborn, Bleacher Report

"The money left on the cap from the cap hit teams take by cutting player is called dead money."

Blogging The Boys


"it’s the money teams must still pay to players if they are cut or traded"

IB Times


My post above was deliberately brief and spot on...matched almost to a word by these 3 descriptions.

Your notion is amiss. Whether a player has "earned" their salary is entirely subjective and has nothing to do with it.

I've already told you the rules repeatedly: we speak in salary cap terms. When I say "owe a player" I'm talking what we owe the cap related to the player. It's no different than the language of many salary cap articles and publications.

Dead money is paid whether you are on the team or off the team..............you lose again

no one speaks your language.......it is gibberish

"You have proven to be a guy who just doesn't learn a lesson until someone pounds you with a big stick." T-RO

and please stop pulling out your little stick in public.......it's not that kind of party....not that there is anything wrong with it

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I mean he has 3 sacks I don't think he's that bad...he isn't a starter but I wouldn't mind keeping him as a 3rd down rusher.

 

[T-RO]

I mean he has 3 sacks I don't think he's that bad...he isn't a starter but I wouldn't mind keeping him as a 3rd down rusher.

Exactly!

Benson isn't bad at all. He's not the pass rush savior we need, he'll never push our defense over the top. But he'll very likely merit a roster spot...ESPECIALLY when we'd be walking away from a lot of investment in cap if we cut him.

Gawd I've been besieged by vanity-driven drivel all day. I've likely let my own ego kick in.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Here are the 2017 free agents and what I think the Cowboys will do:

Rolando McClain GONE
Morris Claiborne PROBABLY GONE
Ron Leary PROBABLY GONE
Barry Church KEEP HIM OR WILCOX
Mark Sanchez KEEP HIM OR MOORE
Andrew Gachkar PROBABLY GONE
Darren McFadden GONE
Lance Dunbar GONE
Jack Crawford PROBABLY GONE
Gavin Escobar PROBABLY GONE
Terrell McClain PROBABLY GONE
Justin Durant PROBABLY GONE
Johsua Thomas GONE
Terrance Williams GONE
Kellen Moore KEEP HIM OR SANCHEZ
J.J. Wilcox KEEP HIM OR CHURCH
Brice Butler PROBABLY GONE

The only big issue I see here is with the secondary.

Claiborne will get a big check when there are 32 teams bidding on him. I suspect the Cowboys will make efforts to sign him, but the price will get too high. Fortunately we have Brown and Scandrick. Will need a CB in the draft or FA.

Wilcox/Church. I would think the Cowboys will go hard to retain one of the two, probably Church. I suspect the salary needed won't be too painful.

Butler and Williams ultimately are JAGs. Keep or replace won't make much difference. I'd sure like the cowboys to get a WR/KR when they replace.

Kellen Moore could be retained on a minimum contract...so maybe it's him over Sanchez.

McClain and Crawford. I'll defer to other posters as I don't have a meaningful evaluation on these guys. But this upcoming draft is purported rich on defense ends. Tapper will also hopefully be contributing. McClain is a starter on our depth chart but is more of a rotational player, IMO.

We surprisingly have a large chunk of our nucleus under contract, most of these guys are not big ticket guys outside of maybe Mo.

 

[LocimusPrime]

 

[T-RO]

We surprisingly have a large chunk of our nucleus under contract, most of these guys are not big ticket guys outside of maybe Mo.

We do have most of the nucleus intact...we also have an enormous cap obligation looming.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Dallas will definetely sign back Terrance Williams.

Where do you get these things, mate?
Mods, take his temperature and give him a Snickersbar.