2018 Cap

[MichaelWinicki]

Romo will most likely be gone.

 

[bsbellomy]

Cut Romo, start Dak, & spend Romo's money on the rest of the roster .

Apparently we're cutting Romo just so we can re-sign D-Law.

 

[bsbellomy]

Romo will most likely be gone.

Romo IMO has not shown any signs of slowing down. That will change at some point, but maybe not for several more years.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

2018 is two years away.

That "aging" can show up very quickly.

The guy has had a lot of wear & tear on his body.

No on thought Aikman would be "Out" as quickly as he was.

 

[Nightman]

Romo will most likely be gone.

If he isn't gone, he won't be making 20m a year....he will give a lot back like Brady and even Manning did

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If he isn't gone, he won't be making 20m a year....he will give a lot back like Brady and even Manning did

Agreed.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I have hoped that Romo would be like some of the old great QB's....after he is no longer the starter, I would love for him to stick around as the "crafty" vet backup and mentor, then transition into coaching.

 

[xwalker]

Long...

I have been wanting to take a look at the cap situation down the road after the TFred signing, and see just how many more guys we could afford to sign / re-sign. 2018 seemed like a good year to take a peek. The numbers are all from spotrac and meant to get a rough estimate only.

I'm going to assume the cap increases 10mm per season. I am also going to assume we restructure 20mm next season and in 2018. That gives us an extra 12mm to spend and is pretty much in line with what we have been doing. That puts our cap at 187mm. I'll use a rookie pool of 5mm for 2 classes and a league minimum of 700k.

Offense:
Under contract 11 players (85.62mm)
7 new draftees (5mm)
6 min salaries (4.2mm)
Total: 24 players at 94.82mm

QB: Romo, Dak (26mm)
RB: EE, Jackson (7.45)
WR: Dez, Beas (20.75)
TE: Hanna, Swaim (4.22)
OL: Smith, Fred, Chaz ( 27.2)

Gone for now: Morris, McFadden, Dunbar, TWil, Butler, Written, Escobar, Martin, Collins, Free, Leary.

Defense:
Under contract 16 players at 43.2mm
7 new draftees (5mm)
1 min salary (700k)
Total: 24 players at 48.9mm

DE: Mawoya, Puff, Tapper, Russell (6.63)
DT: Crawford, Thornton, Collins ( 15.15)
LB: Lee, Smith, Wilson, NZ (11.22)
CB: OScan, Brown (4.86)
S: Jones, Heath, Frazier (5.34)

Gone for now: DLaw, Irving, McClains, Hitchens, Durant, Mo, Carr, Church, Wilcox

Special Teams:
Under contract: Bailey at 4.2mm
2 min salaries (1.4mm)
Total: 3 players at 5.6mm

Gone for now: Jones, Frenchy

Grand total: 149.32mm. That leaves a tad over 37mm to round out the roster. I'll let you GMs play with it from here, but I will throw out one hypothetical.

Let's say we sign Martin and Collins. I'll say 17mm gets used up here, after knocking off 2 min salaries. The first season will be cheaper, but I'm just going to assume that money gets used up on some short term vets to fill holes at wr, te, swing tackle, etc.

On defense, that would leave 20mm to cover a ton of holes. 12 mm for DLaw, 6mm for Mo, Carr, or another CB, 2mm for any safety with a pulse, and our money is all gone. The same applies on this side of the ball. We have a few mil to fill holes short term, but no more room for long term high dollar contracts. The offense could / should be very good, assuming good QB play of course, but man does the D look like crap. Even if we draft well it's pretty sad.

By my middle school math, anything else you add of significance requires the subtraction of a similar contract.

The biggest problem for fans/media in terms of projecting is that we don't really know how much the NFL cap will increase in future years. We can usually get a good estimate for the next season, but beyond that it is difficult to know.

The biggest issues for the Cowboys will be with regards to the QB. How long does Romo play? If Dak is the future QB, then he might be going into free agency about the time Romo retires. How big of a contract he get probably depends on how many games he played in place of Romo prior to Romo leaving.

The ideal scenario for an NFL team is to replace a high paid veteran QB with a rookie or 2nd year player that still has multiple years on their rookie deal.

In general, as long as the players with big contracts are producing in accordance with their contract, things will work out; however, when you get a bunch of over-paid, underachievers like the Cowboys had during the Wade Phillips years, then you have problems with the salary cap.

 

[CWR]

I have hoped that Romo would be like some of the old great QB's....after he is no longer the starter, I would love for him to stick around as the "crafty" vet backup and mentor, then transition into coaching.

Yeah hed be a heck of a coach. Only you cant teach a qb to have eyes in the back of his head, spin around juking JJ Watt out of his shoes while you chunk a bomb to the endzone for a touchdown. He really is a special qb and can improvise like very few ever. But hes also a student of the game and in his later years Ive heard more and more about what a cerebral aproach he takes.

 

[UTmodisette]

Complete speculation on Romo, but you would have to think the pressure coming from resigning the Oline to having a young QB prospect behind him will get him to take a paycut by 2018. There is no doubt in my mind that retiring as a Cowboy is important to Romo. He may even suggest it so no awkwardness occurs.

 

[thisiscowboyscountry]

Romo will most likely be gone.

Possible, but wouldnt count Romo out in 2018. Window is likely 2 to 3 years, after that who knows but I wouldnt call 2018 most likely.

 

[dallasdave]

Long...

I have been wanting to take a look at the cap situation down the road after the TFred signing, and see just how many more guys we could afford to sign / re-sign. 2018 seemed like a good year to take a peek. The numbers are all from spotrac and meant to get a rough estimate only.

I'm going to assume the cap increases 10mm per season. I am also going to assume we restructure 20mm next season and in 2018. That gives us an extra 12mm to spend and is pretty much in line with what we have been doing. That puts our cap at 187mm. I'll use a rookie pool of 5mm for 2 classes and a league minimum of 700k.

Offense:
Under contract 11 players (85.62mm)
7 new draftees (5mm)
6 min salaries (4.2mm)
Total: 24 players at 94.82mm

QB: Romo, Dak (26mm)
RB: EE, Jackson (7.45)
WR: Dez, Beas (20.75)
TE: Hanna, Swaim (4.22)
OL: Smith, Fred, Chaz ( 27.2)

Gone for now: Morris, McFadden, Dunbar, TWil, Butler, Written, Escobar, Martin, Collins, Free, Leary.

Defense:
Under contract 16 players at 43.2mm
7 new draftees (5mm)
1 min salary (700k)
Total: 24 players at 48.9mm

DE: Mawoya, Puff, Tapper, Russell (6.63)
DT: Crawford, Thornton, Collins ( 15.15)
LB: Lee, Smith, Wilson, NZ (11.22)
CB: OScan, Brown (4.86)
S: Jones, Heath, Frazier (5.34)

Gone for now: DLaw, Irving, McClains, Hitchens, Durant, Mo, Carr, Church, Wilcox

Special Teams:
Under contract: Bailey at 4.2mm
2 min salaries (1.4mm)
Total: 3 players at 5.6mm

Gone for now: Jones, Frenchy

Grand total: 149.32mm. That leaves a tad over 37mm to round out the roster. I'll let you GMs play with it from here, but I will throw out one hypothetical.

Let's say we sign Martin and Collins. I'll say 17mm gets used up here, after knocking off 2 min salaries. The first season will be cheaper, but I'm just going to assume that money gets used up on some short term vets to fill holes at wr, te, swing tackle, etc.

On defense, that would leave 20mm to cover a ton of holes. 12 mm for DLaw, 6mm for Mo, Carr, or another CB, 2mm for any safety with a pulse, and our money is all gone. The same applies on this side of the ball. We have a few mil to fill holes short term, but no more room for long term high dollar contracts. The offense could / should be very good, assuming good QB play of course, but man does the D look like crap. Even if we draft well it's pretty sad.

By my middle school math, anything else you add of significance requires the subtraction of a similar contract.

Thanks for the breakdown !!!

 

[ilykdrama]

If we are talking about $12 Million, then we are also talking about 15 sacks...right?

Minimum for me. If you ain't getting double digit sacks as a DE/OLB you ain't sniffin a double digit salary.

 

[rd26]

Minimum for me. If you ain't getting double digit sacks as a DE/OLB you ain't sniffin a double digit salary.

Vernon averaged just over 8 sacks per year for the last 3. He got over 17 mil per year, and half of this board lost their mind that we didn't sign him.

13 for DLaw if he keeps developing doesn't sound too off the wall to me.

Pressure players are EXPENSIVE

 

[coult44]

Long...

I have been wanting to take a look at the cap situation down the road after the TFred signing, and see just how many more guys we could afford to sign / re-sign. 2018 seemed like a good year to take a peek. The numbers are all from spotrac and meant to get a rough estimate only.

I'm going to assume the cap increases 10mm per season. I am also going to assume we restructure 20mm next season and in 2018. That gives us an extra 12mm to spend and is pretty much in line with what we have been doing. That puts our cap at 187mm. I'll use a rookie pool of 5mm for 2 classes and a league minimum of 700k.

Offense:
Under contract 11 players (85.62mm)
7 new draftees (5mm)
6 min salaries (4.2mm)
Total: 24 players at 94.82mm

QB: Romo, Dak (26mm)
RB: EE, Jackson (7.45)
WR: Dez, Beas (20.75)
TE: Hanna, Swaim (4.22)
OL: Smith, Fred, Chaz ( 27.2)

Gone for now: Morris, McFadden, Dunbar, TWil, Butler, Written, Escobar, Martin, Collins, Free, Leary.

Defense:
Under contract 16 players at 43.2mm
7 new draftees (5mm)
1 min salary (700k)
Total: 24 players at 48.9mm

DE: Mawoya, Puff, Tapper, Russell (6.63)
DT: Crawford, Thornton, Collins ( 15.15)
LB: Lee, Smith, Wilson, NZ (11.22)
CB: OScan, Brown (4.86)
S: Jones, Heath, Frazier (5.34)

Gone for now: DLaw, Irving, McClains, Hitchens, Durant, Mo, Carr, Church, Wilcox

Special Teams:
Under contract: Bailey at 4.2mm
2 min salaries (1.4mm)
Total: 3 players at 5.6mm

Gone for now: Jones, Frenchy

Grand total: 149.32mm. That leaves a tad over 37mm to round out the roster. I'll let you GMs play with it from here, but I will throw out one hypothetical.

Let's say we sign Martin and Collins. I'll say 17mm gets used up here, after knocking off 2 min salaries. The first season will be cheaper, but I'm just going to assume that money gets used up on some short term vets to fill holes at wr, te, swing tackle, etc.

On defense, that would leave 20mm to cover a ton of holes. 12 mm for DLaw, 6mm for Mo, Carr, or another CB, 2mm for any safety with a pulse, and our money is all gone. The same applies on this side of the ball. We have a few mil to fill holes short term, but no more room for long term high dollar contracts. The offense could / should be very good, assuming good QB play of course, but man does the D look like crap. Even if we draft well it's pretty sad.

By my middle school math, anything else you add of significance requires the subtraction of a similar contract.

Good stuff, we all have our guesses and opinions about which players should come and go, but overall good read. I don't think Whitten ever leaves. Might keep playing into his 60's. Thanks.

 

[CWR]

The biggest problem for fans/media in terms of projecting is that we don't really know how much the NFL cap will increase in future years. We can usually get a good estimate for the next season, but beyond that it is difficult to know.

The biggest issues for the Cowboys will be with regards to the QB. How long does Romo play? If Dak is the future QB, then he might be going into free agency about the time Romo retires. How big of a contract he get probably depends on how many games he played in place of Romo prior to Romo leaving.

The ideal scenario for an NFL team is to replace a high paid veteran QB with a rookie or 2nd year player that still has multiple years on their rookie deal.

In general, as long as the players with big contracts are producing in accordance with their contract, things will work out; however, when you get a bunch of over-paid, underachievers like the Cowboys had during the Wade Phillips years, then you have problems with the salary cap.

I think Romo has this year and maybe one more by that time we should still have 2 years of a 4 year rookie contract right? Even if Romo can go three more years Dak would still have a season plus 4 preseasons and training camps and fill-ins for injured Romo to prove himself. I think, amazingly they may have timed this just right. Which is hillarious because weve all been screaming for the hier apparent for a couple years now. It has to be the most difficult transition in professional sports, but if we are lucky we might just pull it off.

 

[ilykdrama]

Vernon averaged just over 8 sacks per year for the last 3. He got over 17 mil per year, and half of this board lost their mind that we didn't sign him.

13 for DLaw if he keeps developing doesn't sound too off the wall to me.

Pressure players are EXPENSIVE

Oh, I absolutely disagreed with the Vernon signing and was glad we stayed away. Even with the injuries/suspensions.

 

[kazzd58]

AYE everybody don't forget this nugget when it comes to spending and the way We structure contracts Remember...

Jerry Jones and Son (Dallas Cowboys) not losing a in house player that they "Really want" if we want them to stay (thats y Stephen starting early like with Big Fred..

now whoever it is Jerry and "nem" will find a way to make it work... from what I've seen from Jerry and his staff

 

[xwalker]

I think Romo has this year and maybe one more by that time we should still have 2 years of a 4 year rookie contract right? Even if Romo can go three more years Dak would still have a season plus 4 preseasons and training camps and fill-ins for injured Romo to prove himself. I think, amazingly they may have timed this just right. Which is hillarious because weve all been screaming for the hier apparent for a couple years now. It has to be the most difficult transition in professional sports, but if we are lucky we might just pull it off.

I just don't want to be in the situation that Denver was in with Osweiler (A good but not really proven QB that demands a huge contract).

 

[Nightman]

I just don't want to be in the situation that Denver was in with Osweiler (A good but not really proven QB that demands a huge contract).

I wouldn't care if we went to 2 of 3 Super Bowls and got a ring.......WAS is the one paying 20m to Cousins after the RGIII fiasco