2022 receiving yards by receivers (teams) aligned out wide

[CowboyRoy]

Dalton hasn’t missed 5 games the last 3 seasons combined

He hot hurt on the first game and missed another 2 games. So 3 games of stats missing.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

He hot hurt on the first game and missed another 2 games. So 3 games of stats missing.

How does that equal 5 missed games?

His yards per target were way down, he wasn’t the same player all season. Whether that’s schematic or on him, who knows. He was targeted only 15 fewer times in 2022 than 2021, so his stats shouldn’t have been that far off. But his catch % was much, much worse, and he accounted for 38% fewer first downs. That’s an alarming difference for only dropping from 104 to 89 targets.

Total cumulative, per play, any way you want to dissect it Dalton was not a franchise contract type player last year. And that’s why he’s gone. The pass game with Dak in at center didn’t take a hit due to his reduced production because the backups stepped up and there wasn’t a noticeable difference.

 

[CowboyRoy]

How does that equal 5 missed games?

His yards per target were way down, he wasn’t the same player all season. Whether that’s schematic or on him, who knows. He was targeted only 15 fewer times in 2022 than 2021, so his stats shouldn’t have been that far off. But his catch % was much, much worse, and he accounted for 38% fewer first downs. That’s an alarming difference for only dropping from 104 to 89 targets.

Total cumulative, per play, any way you want to dissect it Dalton was not a franchise contract type player last year. And that’s why he’s gone. The pass game with Dak in at center didn’t take a hit due to his reduced production because the backups stepped up and there wasn’t a noticeable difference.

The point is he missed games. Big reason why his numbers were down. Nothing alarming about it.

Then you can add in the fact that rush was his qb for several games.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

The point is he missed games. Big reason why his numbers were down. Nothing alarming about it.

Then you can add in the fact that rush was his qb for several games.

Weren’t the games he missed Rush games?

So it was 3 games with Rush and 12 games with Dak starting. Does that make his catch % drop from 75% to 64%? That’s particularly alarming, especially when he was running much shorter routes on average than from 2021

 

[CowboyRoy]

Weren’t the games he missed Rush games?

So it was 3 games with Rush and 12 games with Dak starting. Does that make his catch % drop from 75% to 64%? That’s particularly alarming, especially when he was running much shorter routes on average than from 2021

Whats your point. Mine is his production down because he was hurt and rush was the qb several games.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Whats your point. Mine is his production down because he was hurt and rush was the qb several games.

Point was as per the original post being replied to, the receiving group was depleted even when Dalton was on the field, healthy or not. He was never worth the franchise tag, and his 2021 numbers were inflated by the offense he was in.

Doesn’t mean he’s a bad player by any means, but he never did anything to distance himself from his backups at the 22nd most important position in football. Houston probably even overpaid at 6.25m$ this offseason

 

[CowboyRoy]

Point was as per the original post being replied to, the receiving group was depleted even when Dalton was on the field, healthy or not. He was never worth the franchise tag, and his 2021 numbers were inflated by the offense he was in.

Doesn’t mean he’s a bad player by any means, but he never did anything to distance himself from his backups at the 22nd most important position in football. Houston probably even overpaid at 6.25m$ this offseason

Nope my point was that dalton gets plenty of action and hes a big part if the passing game.

And his numbers were lower because of injuries. Without cooper he was a necessity to resign. Couldnt lose both.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Nope my point was that dalton gets plenty of action and hes a big part if the passing game.

Your response was that saying his stats were low was out of bounds because he somehow missed 5 games, despite playing in 15. Yet the cowboys didn’t miss him when he was gone, and his backups played just as well in his absence.

He’s a big part of the passing game because he started for the Dallas cowboys. Move on from him and suddenly Hendershot/Ferguson are now a big part of the passing game

 

[CowboyRoy]

Your response was that saying his stats were low was out of bounds because he somehow missed 5 games, despite playing in 15. Yet the cowboys didn’t miss him when he was gone, and his backups played just as well in his absence.

He’s a big part of the passing game because he started for the Dallas cowboys. Move on from him and suddenly Hendershot/Ferguson are now a big part of the passing game

Yah his stats were lower because he missed time due to injuries.

Thats a fact. What are you some kind of psycho dalton hater? Lol

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Yah his stats were lower because he missed time due to injuries.

Thats a fact. What are you some kind of psycho dalton hater? Lol

Doesn’t always have to resort to insults

 

[noshame]

Hmm...I don't think so. Back in 2019 when Dak threw for over 4,900 yards, 30 TDs, only 11 INTs, a 65% completions percentage and a 99.7 passer rating, this chart shows his strength was throwing deep, mid and towards the sidelines. Sure doesn't show a lack of arm strength or accuracy either vertically or laterally.

Yes, defenses played Dak straight up as our OL kept him protected. Just like TB in the playoffs, Dak was able to wait on his receivers, see the field, and most importantly step or move into his throws. He also had more mobility, which teams had to respect. That is no longer the case.

When you see Kellens offense with Herbert you be saying "why didn't he use that offense here?"
Well it's simple, he couldn't, he slowly reduced Dak's range over time.

If you think Mike & Cooks will solve this, you may be disappointed.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Doesn’t always have to resort to insults

Lol….what insult? U attack me for my opinion and then cry that im insulting you?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Lol….what insult? U attack me for my opinion and then cry that im insulting you?

Calm yourself. I didn’t attack you for you opinion, I contended that 5 does not equal 2

 

[CowboyRoy]

Calm yourself. I didn’t attack you for you opinion, I contended that 5 does not equal 2

You can attack me all you want. Just dont go crying about it when I fire back.

You conveniently forgot that Shultz missed games due to injury and that is why his numbers were down.

You dont like Shultz, thats fine. I didnt want to resign him either. But the numbers were down because he got injured and when he came back he had Rush throwing to him for a few games. Probably wasnt 100% anyway.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yes, defenses played Dak straight up as our OL kept him protected. Just like TB in the playoffs, Dak was able to wait on his receivers, see the field, and most importantly step or move into his throws. He also had more mobility, which teams had to respect. That is no longer the case.

When you see Kellens offense with Herbert you be saying "why didn't he use that offense here?"
Well it's simple, he couldn't, he slowly reduced Dak's range over time.

If you think Mike & Cooks will solve this, you may be disappointed.

Interesting take. You may be right. I hope not since it would affect our Offense. Definitely looking forward to 2023.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You conveniently forgot that Shultz missed games due to injury and that is why his numbers were down.

No I didn’t. Never once did I even imply that, you just made that up. My very first statistical argument in this thread was about his per game stats because his cumulative were low due to missing time. Are My arguments no longer fallible that you have to create new ones?

I knew Schultz missed games, I was pointing out the erroneous argument you were making when you posited to the other fan that he didn’t play in 5 games. I can prove he suited up for 15 regular season games if you want to continue to die on that hill

 

[CowboyRoy]

No I didn’t. Never once did I even imply that, you just made that up. My very first statistical argument in this thread was about his per game stats because his cumulative were low due to missing time. Are My arguments no longer fallible that you have to create new ones?

I knew Schultz missed games, I was pointing out the erroneous argument you were making when you posited to the other fan that he didn’t play in 5 games. I can prove he suited up for 15 regular season games if you want to continue to die on that hill

I was off on the # of games. Point still is made and stands. Is this really what your going on for 10 posts about? Lol

I told you point blank when i corrected it to 3 games of injury.

Thats y the numbers were down. The fact that you cant understand this is odd. And rush being the qb for a few games? No affect eh?

How many tds did shultz have in bucs game?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

I was off on the # of games. Point still is made and stands. Is this really what your going on for 10 posts about? Lol

I told you point blank when i corrected it to 3 games of injury.

Thats y the numbers were down. The fact that you cant understand this is odd. And rush being the qb for a few games? No affect eh?

How many tds did shultz have in bucs game?

You scored 3 pts in the Bucs game, so I’m gonna go out on a limb and say 0.

You were debating someone else, you countered his Dalton Schultz point by only bringing up all 5 games he missed. Nothing else extrapolated in that post. If we’re both in agreement that you were wrong, then it’s up to that original poster to interpret what to do with that.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You scored 3 pts in the Bucs game, so I’m gonna go out on a limb and say 0.

You were debating someone else, you countered his Dalton Schultz point by only bringing up all 5 games he missed. Nothing else extrapolated in that post. If we’re both in agreement that you were wrong, then it’s up to that original poster to interpret what to do with that.

Scored 31 actually. Shultz had 7 catches for 95 yards and 2 TD's.

Anything else?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Scored 31 actually. Shultz had 7 catches for 95 yards and 2 TD's.

Anything else?

You may have forgotten, but you played TB in the regular season, and scored only 3 points. The poster you were conversing with was talking about the 2022 regular season. In fact, This entire comment chain had about regular season stats. Did you not pick up on that? Or were you thinking about preseason and postseason and previous season stats as well? Is that how you came to your 5 games missed number?

The playoff game where you blew TB out seems to be the only game you want to bring up for his production this year. Your argument of Schultz’s value is focusing on the game you didn’t need him at all to win comfortably? Is that your intended point? I don’t agree he was that useless this year, that’s a stretch. He was simply not impactful enough to be considered someone who turned around your depleted passing options, as was the original comment from the previous commenter that you made your 5 game reply to.