2023 and 2024 Draft classes

[darthseinfeld]

Holy hell. Really? Mazi and his weight. Vaughn. Tolbert and the playbook. Lance. Luepke. Turpin on offense........

Mazi's weight Ill give you.

Vaughn I just explained In another post

What exactly is wrong with Tolbert and the playbook?

Lance as a runnee maybe, but if he is i. The game a team is going to know its a designed run because he is an awful

Luepke they could use better

They use Turpin well, they question is do they use him enough

 

[darthseinfeld]

I'm dropping this conversation and nonsense. Leaving with this. We know what he did at K-St. We know what works and what doesn't. We know what McCarthy said when they drafted him. Very clearly the Cowboys have no clue how to use him and have failed with him in every way possible.

That was K State. He isnt going to have tje same success in the pro's. He has struggle both in space and inside the OT's

Its not nonsense. You just arent mounting a quality argument

 

[blueblood70]

I'm dropping this conversation and nonsense. Leaving with this. We know what he did at K-St. We know what works and what doesn't. We know what McCarthy said when they drafted him. Very clearly the Cowboys have no clue how to use him and have failed with him in every way possible.

Correct I agree with you This is why it took Mike McCarthy half a season to figure out Rico was the starter and that Turpin could be used more behind the line of scrimmage as a scat-back, a running back...

I mean literally creativity is lost on this man but therein lies the problem Turpin and Vaughn may look like different players body wise, but they do the same things on the team kind of hard to get them both on to the field and utilize their talents since they do the same things... But yes Mike McCarthy is the biggest problem here and when you have a guy that can be a gadget guy that can help create some offense when you need it help create on the special teams can play wherever you need him and you don't know how to even plug and play a guy that can pretty much do everything he may be small and yeah we did see him in college the problem is every time he's been in the game they use him like a regular running back they use Tony Pollard like a regular running back at $11 million when he was on the franchise tag was absolutely a mistake it should have been Rico running Ezekiel elliott's old place and then Tony Pollard coming in and doing his regular thing and that is where a guy like Vaughan comes in he should be utilized going off tackle double motions reverses getting him out in space but again that's what Turpin does and it took almost 10 games and a lot of injury before Mike McCarthy even figured out that Turpin can be used in many different ways he's tougher than he looks....

So yes, I agree vaughn's been misused but I just don't think he has a place on this team because Turpin is already tired being utilized in the same spot.....

 

[gimmesix]

Nathan Thomas: Not much to go on with Thomas. Dont even remember how he did in camp/preseason. However he was still good value at his draft slot and has the talent to be a versatile backup.

I'm pretty sure Thomas was hurt all preseason. Hopefully, with Martin likely to retire, he'll prove to at least be backup quality this year. I like the other young linemen we have, so hitting on him would be a bonus. I'm hoping we spend our limited draft picks on other positions this year and let the line settle out with Guyton, Richards, Smith, Beebe, Bass, Hoffman and Steele. If Thomas is able to join that group as a competitive option at either tackle or guard, that would be great ... and I still haven't given up completely on Waletzko.

I'd actually entertain trade offers for Steele and go with the youth because I feel that Guyton may be better off moving back to his college position and Richards/Smith might be a better LT option. I'd like to see Waletzko moved back over to LT as well because he looked pretty good there in very limited snaps as a rookie before struggling when we moved him to RT.

 

[chicago JK]

Just kills when you miss on back to back first round picks. Not saying both are misses but Mazi looks to wind up there. Both appear to have personally traits that wind up missing more than hitting too.

Look at Philly last two first rounders to ours. That is a massive gap. Especially when our front office touts is draft only approach. Although I guess Philly is going to be in cap hell soon. At least that is what I hear.

 

[dreghorn2]

You also didn't explain how players had been misused. Its a classic tactic used by people who want to deflect blame on poorly performing players.

Who has been misused and how have the been misused and how should the be used

I know, this coaches misused the players is silly.

The coaches interact with these players daily, they know much more about them then what any of us could hope to know.

If they aren't being played it's because they can't play, for whatever reason, everyone is trying to win.

 

[KJJ]

A couple of lousy drafts. One great player and he can’t stay healthy.

 

[big dog cowboy]

That was K State. He isnt going to have tje same success in the pro's. He has struggle both in space and inside the OT's

Its not nonsense. You just arent mounting a quality argument

You are just blinded. Of course Vaughn isn't going to have the same success in the pro's. An idiot would know that.

You aren't mounting a quality argument against my case which is right.

 

[big dog cowboy]

A couple of lousy drafts.

Well, that's just not true but whatever.

 

[KJJ]

Well, that's just not true but whatever.

So far they haven’t been good. Other than Overshown there hasn’t been any standouts. He was the only one making a real impact.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So far they haven’t been good.

Those 3 years sure went by fast.

 

[dreghorn2]

Those 3 years sure went by fast.

Honestly are you still using that outdated 3 year narrative.

It simply doesn't apply anymore.

 

[RS12]

After dtafting "traits" players that dont appear to love football in the first round the last two years, they cant do that again this year. They need to take players that have produced at a high level in college. This HAS to be a strong draft because they arent spending elsewhere as we have been told.

 

[gtb1943]

I didn't. All I said was "don't forget". It's definitely a factor. Especially with players like Vaughn and Mazi. There are others as well.

frankly I might give Mazi a bit of a mulligan but showed only a small amount of improvement this year and vaughn is meh at best.
It is rare that a coach really hurts a player; they can help. Bottom line is the guys who do not look good are much more likely to just not be good players

 

[gtb1943]

Well, that's just not true but whatever.

take off your homer hat

 

[KJJ]

Those 3 years sure went by fast.

Players coming out of college are far more prepared than they used to be. Good NFL players develop much quicker. Our best players had real good rookie seasons. Just look at the QBs coming out of college. Years ago it took 4 to 5 years to develop an NFL QB. Now we’re seeing rookie QBs playing outstanding.

 

[darthseinfeld]

You are just blinded. Of course Vaughn isn't going to have the same success in the pro's. An idiot would know that.

You aren't mounting a quality argument against my case which is right.

The results are proof. He has been wholly ineffective when he touched the ball. And he has been used in space, in the passing game and between tackles with poor results. Thats not scheme thats the player.

 

[Sydla]

For a team that openly states they use the draft to fill holes and ignore FA, these draft classes are going to come home to roost very shortly.

This franchise doesn't have much of a future at this point when looking at the next 3-5 years. An aging, injured QB who was just OK eating up a ton of cap space, two "GMs" that are idiots at cap management, and a front office philosophy of ignoring FA is bad enough now throw in a couple of really down draft classes and guess what? You got a team about to head over a cliff.

This team is a clear #3 in the division if you are projecting success over the next 3-5 years. And the only reason that we aren't #4 is because the Giants might be the biggest dumpster fire in the NFL right now.

 

[fivetwos]

The bigger measure is how we are drafting relative to other teams. We are about in the average range. After round 3, we might as well have no picks and it shows up in the team depth charts.

Your takes are always very reasonable, so I’ll ask….

Wouldn’t you say as an organization you’re doing very well if you hit on 7 first rounders over a decade, especially when you’re having regular season success and often pick in the 20s, sometimes in a bit so deep draft?

I think you’ll say yes, but that still means you miss on three of them, and every single year they count on that player to be an immediate impact starter, because they are cheaper than a proven veteran free agent.

How does that not come back to bite you eventually?

It’s just criminal that they had a team that actually had a chance to make a deep run or two, but refused because Stephen and his cheapness decided it wasn’t worth adding what was necessary.

Watching Bell try to play LB behind awful DTs in that playoff game was disgusting…and not the fault of the coaches, or the QB. What exactly were they supposed to do?

 

[dreghorn2]

It’s just criminal that they had a team that actually had a chance to make a deep run or two, but refused because Stephen and his cheapness decided it wasn’t worth adding what was necessary.

Watching Bell try to play LB behind awful DTs in that playoff game was disgusting…and not the fault of the coaches, or the QB. What exactly were they supposed to do?

Can you imagine coming off a year where you led the league in offense and had a 12-5 record and deciding that a college RT should now be your starting LT and a college guard should now be your starting center.

Then telling all the coaches, on the final year of their contracts to 'make it work', it's absurd.

The collapse of the offensive line was the number one factor for the Cowboys failing early. There was no foresight that things might get delicate there after last season.

They thought Martin, despite showing signs, would be good, that Steele would continue to bounce back and that Smith could help carry the two rookies on either side of him. It was nonsense.

They couldn't run the ball, because the rookies needed help. They couldn't get the TEs out because Guyton and Steele needed help, they constantly had a to leave a back in, Martin collapsed, etc..

By the time they got things straightened out Parsons was hurt Ferguson, Dak etc... etc..

Two mid level vet OL or one good one in FA to let the rookies ease in, Henry or who i really wanted Jacobs to take the burden and not have to make everything so chaotic early with absolutely zero run game, would be what the doctor ordered and what good teams plan for but the Cowboys, nope.

Meh, doesn't matter, a lot of good comments in this thread, you can't build an NFL team solely through the draft and you certainly have to absolutely crush the draft to have any chance of winning without some free agency.