2023 and 2024 Draft classes

[rambo2]

The bigger measure is how we are drafting relative to other teams. We are about in the average range. After round 3, we might as well have no picks and it shows up in the team depth charts.

Bland was a 5th round pick. He is already an NFL record holder.

 

[rambo2]

Just kills when you miss on back to back first round picks. Not saying both are misses but Mazi looks to wind up there. Both appear to have personally traits that wind up missing more than hitting too.

Look at Philly last two first rounders to ours. That is a massive gap. Especially when our front office touts is draft only approach. Although I guess Philly is going to be in cap hell soon. At least that is what I hear.

We didn’t have a top 10 pick like Philly did.

 

[Teague31]

But but but Quinn is a genius

 

[Sydla]

We didn’t have a top 10 pick like Philly did.

Do you ever get tired of making excuses for our failures?

 

[BoyzBlaster]

We didn’t have a top 10 pick like Philly did.

Philly's last 2 first rounders (Mitchell and Smith)were nowhere near the top ten.

 

[fivetwos]

Can you imagine coming off a year where you led the league in offense and had a 12-5 record and deciding that a college RT should now be your starting LT and a college guard should now be your starting center.

Then telling all the coaches, on the final year of their contracts to 'make it work', it's absurd.

The collapse of the offensive line was the number one factor for the Cowboys failing early. There was no foresight that things might get delicate there after last season.

They thought Martin, despite showing signs, would be good, that Steele would continue to bounce back and that Smith could help carry the two rookies on either side of him. It was nonsense.

They couldn't run the ball, because the rookies needed help. They couldn't get the TEs out because Guyton and Steele needed help, they constantly had a to leave a back in, Martin collapsed, etc..

By the time they got things straightened out Parsons was hurt Ferguson, Dak etc... etc..

Two mid level vet OL or one good one in FA to let the rookies ease in, Henry or who i really wanted Jacobs to take the burden and not have to make everything so chaotic early with absolutely zero run game, would be what the doctor ordered and what good teams plan for but the Cowboys, nope.

Meh, doesn't matter, a lot of good comments in this thread, you can't build an NFL team solely through the draft and you certainly have to absolutely crush the draft to have any chance of winning without some free agency.

Note how they never talk about winning, or doing what’s necessary to make that happen, it’s always about how the cap prevents that from happening.

Other teams don’t seem to have that problem. It’s basically them admitting they aren’t good enough to figure it out.

 

[Kolemmitt]

I think our lack of recent draft success comes from the Jones' cheapness. Instead of just picking BPA, we have been looking to the draft to fill holes instead of free agency. That leads to reaching and missing out on young studs. If you look at the 2024 draft, if we didn't HAVE to have a LT of the future, we could have picked one of the young stud receivers that were picked just after Guyton and we would be feeling a lot better about that position now, instead of feeling uneasy about both LT and WR.

 

[rambo2]

Philly's last 2 first rounders (Mitchell and Smith)were nowhere near the top ten.

How did Jalen Reagor do?

 

[CT Dal Fan]

About Deuce Vaughn (sorry for bringing him up again)......

The thing is the Cowboys have an all-pro at what Vaughn is best suited to do. Kavantae Turpin is our kickoff/punt returner and speedy, undersized gadget player on offense.

If Dallas brought Deuce up on game day, they would have two guys to do the same thing. I think this is the reason he's usually a healthy scratch. We can call this a wasted pick, sure, but let's not forget he was the 212th player chosen in 2023. It's not like a premium choice was wasted. Personally, I am more upset Dallas burned last year's 4th on Lance to ride the bench until tomorrow.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Your takes are always very reasonable, so I’ll ask….

Wouldn’t you say as an organization you’re doing very well if you hit on 7 first rounders over a decade, especially when you’re having regular season success and often pick in the 20s, sometimes in a bit so deep draft?

I think you’ll say yes, but that still means you miss on three of them, and every single year they count on that player to be an immediate impact starter, because they are cheaper than a proven veteran free agent.

How does that not come back to bite you eventually?

It’s just criminal that they had a team that actually had a chance to make a deep run or two, but refused because Stephen and his cheapness decided it wasn’t worth adding what was necessary.

Watching Bell try to play LB behind awful DTs in that playoff game was disgusting…and not the fault of the coaches, or the QB. What exactly were they supposed to do?

Our overall draft grades are in the c+ - B- range. Drafts aren't defined by round 1 alone. Here are the last 10 drafts first and second round picks. We have only hit on the first 2 draft picks once. You count 7 first round hits, I count 3: CeeDee, Micah, and Tyler Smith

In 2015, Byron Jones in round 1 and Randy Gregory in round 2. Byron had 2 INTs in 5 years and Gregory spent more games suspended for drugs than he played in. Neither was worth their draft position.

in 2016, I would argue Zeke was not worth the #4 overall pick. He had 3 good seasons in 7 years which resulted in one playoff win. He then flamed out. Was that worth the #4 overall pick? The second round pick was Jaylon Smith. Bust.

2017 Taco Charlton was a bust. We hit on Chidobe in round 2. He was solid but not great.

2018. LVE looked like a great pick after his rookie year, but then the injuries derailed his career. So, not a hit. Connor Williams was a bust at OT which was what he was drafted to play.

2019 We had no first pick round pick and came up with Trystan Hill in round 2. Bust

2020. This is our best draft of the last 10 years. CeeDee and Diggs

2021 We get Micah in round 1 but offset that with Kelvin Joseph in round 2.

2022 Tyler Smith in round 1. We didn't draft him to play G but okay. It worked out. Then we take the injury prone Sam Williams. Bust. If a guy contributes nothing in 3 seasons, he's a bust. He will have another opportunity next year but still not worth the pick.

2023: This draft is killing us. Mazi and Schoon are both busts thus far. You need more in the first 2 seasons than these guys have given us to justify the draft position.

2024 Guyton isn't looking like a left tackle. Bad rookie year. He might end up on the right side. Kneeland looks like a decent player when he's healthy. Too early to call this draft.

 

[gimmesix]

So far they haven’t been good. Other than Overshown there hasn’t been any standouts. He was the only one making a real impact.

Well, coming away from a draft with a couple starters and a few contributors is typical. The Overshown injury is unfortunate, but Mazi and him were starters. Schoonmaker is really the only other contributor at the moment. A couple of players washing out completely like Fehoko and Scott did always is fairly typical.

It's really hard to judge a draft until several years have passed. For example, the 2022 draft was really just Smith and Bland the first year. Ferguson was a contributor, and Williams to an extent. Tolbert looked like a waste and Harper was pretty much a washout. Waletkzo also hasn't done anything, Ridgeway was cut and Clark has been mostly miss, although he did contribute that first year. Now, Smith, Bland and Ferguson are quality starters, Williams was set to be more of a contributor/possible starter and Tolbert contributed at receiver, so it looks better than it did. I don't know if 2023 or 2024 will turn out that way.

 

[Johannes44]

As a team that claims to build through the draft and not even consider participating in free agency. Of course this means every miss in the draft is that much worse.

 

[Mannix]

F-

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I'm dropping this conversation and nonsense. Leaving with this. We know what he did at K-St. We know what works and what doesn't. We know what McCarthy said when they drafted him. Very clearly the Cowboys have no clue how to use him and have failed with him in every way possible.

There are a million players that were college stars that never translated to the NFL. You obviously have a pet cat in Vaughn.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

How did Jalen Reagor do?

Who gives a crap Reagor literally has nothing to do with your original comment try to focus.

 

[beware_d-ware]

2023 looks like a total swing-and-miss draft. Mazi and Schoon are being outplayed by NFL flotsam (Linval Joseph and Spann-Ford). Overshown 100% has game, but will he remain healthy? Richards looks like a keeper, but we may only walk out of that draft with one OK starter.

2024 looks pretty decent so far. I would say that Guyton under-performed expectations as a rookie, Kneeland and Beebe met expectations, and Liufau exceeded them. There will be several good Cowboys players out of that group.

 

[Teague31]

You have to keep in perspective where Mazi and Guyton were taken. End of the first. The team probably only had 15-18 first round grades which means both were second round talents. It’s why not tanking this year was such a bad mistake. HUGE difference between picking at 12 or 18.