3-4 could stop the run

[xwalker]

Osa and Gholston aren’t big enough to 2 gap. Heck Gholston played as a 4-3 DE in college.You need huge dudes that have a ton of length.

Parsons also doesn’t have the size / frame to be an outside backer. He’s below average in setting an edge so it’d be a complete was if our most talented player.

Aaron Donald (6-1, ~290) plays as a 3-4 DE.
- Playing 3-4 DE on run downs actually makes Donald a better run defender than playing as a 4-3 DT. It's also less of a physical strain on him.
- He moves back to 3tech DT in most passing downs.

Modern era 3-4 defenses often don't play 2-gap with the DEs. Getting double-teamed is not the same as playing 2-gap.

Examples
Wade Phillips: Modern Era 3-4
Bill Parcells: Classic 3-4

Cam Heyward is 295 pounds and is the top 3-4 DE vs the run.

Jason Hatcher was 284 when drafted and played 3-4 DE for the Cowboys with Parcells, Wade and Rob Ryan.

Odighi & Golston are both about 290+ now based on their own answers when asked that question by the media in training camp.

The Cowboys could also play Bohanna and Watkins as 3-4 DEs on some run downs. Belichick has done that in the past with players like DT Lawrence Guy (315) and DT Danny Shelton (345).

 

[cnuball21]

Aaron Donald (6-1, ~290) plays as a 3-4 DE.
- Playing 3-4 DE on run downs actually makes Donald a better run defender than playing as a 4-3 DT. It's also less of a physical strain on him.
- He moves back to 3tech DT in most passing downs.

Modern era 3-4 defenses often don't play 2-gap with the DEs. Getting double-teamed is not the same as playing 2-gap.

Examples
Wade Phillips: Modern Era 3-4
Bill Parcells: Classic 3-4

Cam Heyward is 295 pounds and is the top 3-4 DE vs the run.

Jason Hatcher was 284 when drafted and played 3-4 DE for the Cowboys with Parcells, Wade and Rob Ryan.

Odighi & Golston are both about 290+ now based on their own answers when asked that question by the media in training camp.

The Cowboys could also play Bohanna and Watkins as 3-4 DEs on some run downs. Belichick has done that in the past with players like DT Lawrence Guy (315) and DT Danny Shelton (345).

It’s not just the weight it’s the length. Cam is 6’5 and Hatch was 6’6 both having long arms and wing span. Aaron Donald is an alien…he might the best DT of all time and he moves all over so I’m not using an outlier for the argument.

Osa doesn’t have the length and Gholston, like I said, would basically be playing a new position as he’s always been an outside edge.

Bo and Hanks could take in the nose role, but Watkins likely a JAG.

You can just switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 with the same dudes…it requires different skill sets and types of players.

 

[xwalker]

It’s not just the weight it’s the length. Cam is 6’5 and Hatch was 6’6 both having long arms and wing span. Aaron Donald is an alien…he might the best DT of all time and he moves all over so I’m not using an outlier for the argument.

Osa doesn’t have the length and Gholston, like I said, would basically be playing a new position as he’s always been an outside edge.

Bo and Hanks could take in the nose role, but Watkins likely a JAG.

You can just switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 with the same dudes…it requires different skill sets and types of players.

Golston is 6-5 with well above average arm length (34-3/4").

Hatcher's arm length: 32-3/4".

Top run defending 3-4 DE Cam Heyward:
1/4" shorter than Golston
1/2" shorter arms

Golston often played inside in college (over 25% in some games). He also played in some 3 man DL alignments.

Golston has been playing primarily DT in 2022. A 3-4 DE is a tweener between 4-man DT and 4-man DE.

 

[cnuball21]

Golston is 6-5 with well above average arm length (34-3/4").

Hatcher's arm length: 32-3/4".

Top run defending 3-4 DE Cam Heyward:
1/4" shorter than Golston
1/2" shorter arms

Golston often played inside in college (over 25% in some games). He also played in some 3 man DL alignments.

Golston has been playing primarily DT in 2022. A 3-4 DE is a tweener between 4-man DT and 4-man DE.

But Hatcher and Cam were both tall and still had the wing span.

And that’s fine about Golston kicking in some in college but that doesn’t mean that’s where he’s best suited. That’s like saying just because Tank rushes from inside sometimes he could play DT.

I also don’t think Gholston has been playing mostly inside this year. Do you have the snap counts to back up?

 

[conner01]

Makes perfect sense. Then tell us genius what you would do. I guess status quo. Your basically putting 5 dlineman out there doing what I say it would help tremendously. We never had a bad run d in a 3-4.

I remember Jimmy Johnson breaking down how he loved running against a 3/4 back in the day
Obviously we have better athletes than he was scheming against

 

[conner01]

I think it’s more Quinn values pass rush over stopping the run
As many yards as we’ve have up to teams running I’ve yet to see a game this season it’s costs us
GB beat us passing, not running

 

[xwalker]

But Hatcher and Cam were both tall and still had the wing span.

And that’s fine about Golston kicking in some in college but that doesn’t mean that’s where he’s best suited. That’s like saying just because Tank rushes from inside sometimes he could play DT.

I also don’t think Gholston has been playing mostly inside this year. Do you have the snap counts to back up?

Golston taller than Heyward.

Less than 1" difference in Golston and Hatcher.

Golston longer arms than both.

Golston has been playing DT this season. Rarely plays DE. If you see him rushing outside it's normally a stunt where he started from an inside alignment.

 

[cnuball21]

Golston taller than Heyward.

Less than 1" difference in Golston and Hatcher.

Golston longer arms than both.

Golston has been playing DT this season. Rarely plays DE. If you see him rushing outside it's normally a stunt where he started from an inside alignment.

I guess we’re going off the eyeball test with Golston on how often he’s playing DT.

So let’s assume you’re right and he’s playing more DT…how has that been working out for us?

He’s a poor man’s Tyrone Crawford and isn’t talented enough to be a starter in either scheme. He’s a backup.

 

[BAT]

Golston is 6-5 with well above average arm length (34-3/4").

Hatcher's arm length: 32-3/4".

Top run defending 3-4 DE Cam Heyward:
1/4" shorter than Golston
1/2" shorter arms

Golston often played inside in college (over 25% in some games). He also played in some 3 man DL alignments.

Golston has been playing primarily DT in 2022. A 3-4 DE is a tweener between 4-man DT and 4-man DE.

Arm length aside, Hatcher was the more talented player.

Golston shows me nothing special.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

No 3-4 in Nickel. Defenses play Nickel vs 3 WR set which is the majority of snaps now.

The Cowboys have played Bohanna, Hankins & Watkins together on the DL in a front similar to 3-4 on short yardage plays.

I thought Cowboy fans hated the 3-4 because Landry ran a 4-3

 

[glimmerman]

Who knows. I wanted to try a traditional 4-3 or the 5-2. We run a hybrid that stunts the DTs. They are getting caught stunting and there is huge holes.

 

[xwalker]

I thought Cowboy fans hated the 3-4 because Landry ran a 4-3

Probably because it's most often associated with the Steelers and Giants.

 

[Majic]

I thought Cowboy fans hated the 3-4 because Landry ran a 4-3

We've got no chance if it comes down to that way of thinking

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

We've got no chance if it comes down to that way of thinking

well what we think makes no diff but I recall when Parcells came and implimented a 3-4 and posters bemoaned a 3-4 wasn't Cowboys' defence
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