3-4 defense is a bust!

[Ichill2]

If we won 5 superbowls with the 4-3 defense why are we using the 3-4 now? Its going to be a long season. If we are going to give up 400 yds per game we will not make the playoffs.

 

[Doomsay]

If we won 5 superbowls with the 4-3 defense why are we using the 3-4 now? Its going to be a long season. If we are going to give up 400 yds per game we will not make the playoffs.

It's the whole reason we got Wade in the First place, yah know, because he is a 3-4 genius.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

No it isn't.

There are plenty of teams that are having success with the 3-4 Defense.

Like the 4-3 formation, what separates great 3-4 from mediocre ones is leadership, talent and coaching.

 

[bayeslife]

In this decade, 6/9 superbowl winners have used the 3-4.

 

[Doomsday101]

All in all I was not overly upset with the defense. Giants had the ball in great field position due to turnovers and the Cowboys defense did a pretty decent job of keeping them out of the endzone.

 

[ZenItRam]

Giving up 427 yards of offense is simply horrible. Short field or not, there's something wrong with the Dallas defense - period.

 

[Yeagermeister]

No it isn't.

There are plenty of teams that are having success with the 3-4 Defense.

Like the 4-3 formation, what separates great 3-4 from mediocre ones is leadership, talent and coaching.

 

[dbair1967]

Giving up 427 yards of offense is simply horrible. Short field or not, there's something wrong with the Dallas defense - period.

and thats a week after giving up 450

 

[Doomsday101]

Giving up 427 yards of offense is simply horrible. Short field or not, there's something wrong with the Dallas defense - period.

When the offense accounts for 24 points scored by the Giants I'm a bit more upset with them. Yards do not win games points do and Dallas defense did a pretty good job of keeping NY out of the endzone. This is not to say the defense needs to do a better job I agree but the offense put them in bad situations through out the night.

 

[ZenItRam]

and thats a week after giving up 450

Did you notice the Bills gave up 100 less yards to the prolific offense in Tampa? The BILLS!

 

[sk0aL]

I haven't been a fan of the 3-4 defense since Parcells instituted it because we've never had the personnel for it. The guys on our front 7 are 4-3 guys, even ware.

The 3-4 relies on big ugly nose tackles who can routinely take on double teams and still generate pressure, we don't have that. It also requires speedy, athletic LBs who can react to the QB and help cover the middle of the field as well as the flat. We don't have that either.

We have a 3-4 package on the field and the guys are playing like they're still in a 4-3. It doesn't work.

 

[Bach]

Wade Phillips is a bust. The main reason he was brought here was to continue the 3-4 that was in place. He sucks. Never won a playoff game in his entire career and Jerry has him take over here. And then after he does nothing but blow to straight seasons keeps him here for the inaugural season of JerryWorld.

Jerry deserves this. But the fans don't. 14 years and counting.

 

[lspain1]

When the offense accounts for 24 points scored by the Giants I'm a bit more upset with them. Yards do not win games points do and Dallas defense did a pretty good job of keeping NY out of the endzone. This is not to say the defense needs to do a better job I agree but the offense put them in bad situations through out the night.

I understand your point but I'll disagree. Yes the offense, and specifically Tony Romo, had turnover problems. That said, our corners looked BAD. They were beaten deep and they tackled poorly (Scandrick, the whiffer, anyone?). The defense DID contribute to this loss and should not be given a pass.

 

[bayeslife]

and thats a week after giving up 450

It's astounding isn't it?

The defense was on a roll at the end of last year, excluding the Philly game.

I have no idea what went wrong.

 

[DBOY3141]

Last four games, this defense has been horrible.

Baltimore - 31 points
Philly - 44 points
Tampa - 21 points
Giants - 33 points

They can't get turn-overs and they haven't gotten many/if any sacks. Looks like the other teams have figured Wade's scheme out.

I don't want to hear about the offense's turn-overs. Just because they turn it over, doesn't mean the defense has to allow them to score every time. Stop someone for god's sake.

 

[Doomsday101]

I understand your point but I'll disagree. Yes the offense, and specifically Tony Romo, had turnover problems. That said, our corners looked BAD. They were beaten deep and they tackled poorly (Scandrick, the whiffer, anyone?). The defense DID contribute to this loss and should not be given a pass.

I agree the defense need to improve but the Giants were unable to get TD in the redzone even inside our own 5 yard line. Dallas defense did a very good job shutting the running game down so while yes they played less than great there were some good positives out of the defense who was being put into bad situation because the offense was turning the ball over.

 

[ZenItRam]

When the offense accounts for 24 points scored by the Giants I'm a bit more upset with them. Yards do not win games points do and Dallas defense did a pretty good job of keeping NY out of the endzone. This is not to say the defense needs to do a better job I agree but the offense put them in bad situations through out the night.

Point taken, however the offense was able to the the game in the defense's hands and they folded like a cheap suite. ONE defensive stand at the end of the game would have won it, I'm sure of it. I'm not sure that reducing the number of turnovers by ONE would have had the same impact.

 

[Doomsday101]

Point taken, however the offense was able to the ONE defensive stathe game in the defense's hands and the folded cheap suite. nd at the end of the game would have won it, I'm sure of it. I'm not sure that reducing the number of turnovers by ONE would have had the same impact.

I agree but you keep your defense out on the field as much as they were due in large part because of TO it is going to wear on a defense. That Giants team is still one of the better teams in the league and giving them the ball as we did will normally lead to a loss. I know people want to act like the Giants are some slum team they are not and you can't win games when you turn the ball over 4 times ask any damn coach out there and they will say the same thing you can't win if you are turning the ball over!!!

 

[sk0aL]

I don't want to hear about the offense's turn-overs. Just because they turn it over, doesn't mean the defense has to allow them to score every time. Stop someone for god's sake.

The Giants got 24 points off turnovers last night. 24 points. When you turn the ball over, your defense can't get off the field. On a hot Texas night fatigue can be the difference between making a play or failing to, the difference between winning and losing. Not to mention the fact that in most cases they're playing with a short field.

I'm not defending the defense at all, but with the exception of the game winning drive, the defense did what they did in Tampa - played well enough to win the game. Had Tony thrown 3 interceptions against the Bucs last week, the outcome of that game likely could have resembled the one last night.

The bottom line is in the NFL your chances of winning decrease drastically in proportion to each turnover you commit.

 

[ZenItRam]

I agree but you keep your defense out on the field as much as they were due in large part because of TO it is going to wear on a defense. That Giants team is still one of the better teams in the league and giving them the ball as we did will normally lead to a loss. I know people want to act like the Giants are some slum team they are not and you can't win games when you turn the ball over 4 times ask any damn coach out there and they will say the same thing you can't win if you are turning the ball over!!!

You're right. A team cannot win easily if you have a large amount of turnovers, but you have to agree that you can't win easily if a team is giving up yards the way Dallas is as yards will eventually turn into points.

I think Dallas has the offense together and if the defense can turn the corner we'd have a very, very good team ... if not, this team will continue to struggle. And, it most certainly will not win playoff games much less a Super Bowl.