3 DT'S Cowboys should look to trade for

[gimmesix]

I understand the concerns, but paying a RB $10M just to have an extra 200 yards does not seem worth it to me. I love the committee approach, just wish we had drafted a young RB.

I was never a huge fan of LVE. Seemed like a majority of his tackles were 5+ yards down the field.

DT is the biggest concern. LB's alone is not going to fix our run D. Need to trade some of those conditional 5th round picks.

I actually like the Kendricks pickup, especially since he knows Zimmer's defense. He is slowing down, though, so it's hard to say what we're going to get. We've picked up other veterans for cheap who were on the back end of their career and they turned out to be washed.

I don't mind not paying an RB $10 million, but we have the same problem at this position. We're leaning on a player who appears to have hit that physical wall and usually the only way their career goes from there is down.

I think both positions will be adequate, though, but you just can't tell. A lot of the time you get what you pay for.

At DT, I like Odighizuwa, but with 3-tech being one of the catalyst for the 4-3 scheme, I don't think he elevates this defense from good to great. And NT is a concern, but I can't blame the team for trying to see what it has in Mazi, since he cost us a first-round pick, but I hate that they choose to do it with adequate help. Of course, we might can find another vet like Hankins to trade for if he isn't up to the task.

 

[Whiskey Cowboy]

I have been waiting for anyone to explain which loss hurt this roster.

We had an undersized center that was never going to get any stronger and was constantly moving backwards.

Hankins was living off his name value alone, decent DT but loosing Hankins now churns the DT room.

Armstrong and Fowler where never going to fit Zims scheme, so bye bye, and now we churn even more.

The depth of this roster has to step up into some starting roles, and the depth is wide open for review, I like the way this roster is being built.

Get rid of names and players that you know have already hit their ceilings, and if that ceiling isn't good enough than it is time to say adios amigos.

We had a Pro Bowl center with some flaws, and didn't address the position in FA. It looks like they may have gotten lucky with Cooper. I truly hope Tyler Guyton develops quickly. He will be a downgrade from Tyron early, but has the tools to develop into an elite player. What did they do to insure themselves if Guyton isn't ready?

Hankins was average. Mazi was awful. Nothing was done to address the position.

Armstrong would've fit the scheme. He was a solid role player. Fowler, you may be right. How does Sam Williams fit in? Has his run defense improved substantially since college? We don't know because of his limited snap count. Will the rookie be any good? I think so, but not super confident if he's forced to play a significant amount of snaps.

The complaint isn't that some players were let go. The issue is important positions like RB and DT were completely ignored. Stopping the run and establishing a ground game has always been the recipe for success, and it's looking like they will have a difficult time with both this season. This team is loaded with talent, but it's destined for mediocrity if these positions aren't addressed before the season starts.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Don't overlook draft pick DT Justin Rogers out of Auburn, 6'2" 338 lb 1T.

I dont see him every being any better than Bohanna was to be honest

 

[Chasing6]

I actually like the Kendricks pickup, especially since he knows Zimmer's defense. He is slowing down, though, so it's hard to say what we're going to get. We've picked up other veterans for cheap who were on the back end of their career and they turned out to be washed.

I don't mind not paying an RB $10 million, but we have the same problem at this position. We're leaning on a player who appears to have hit that physical wall and usually the only way their career goes from there is down.

I think both positions will be adequate, though, but you just can't tell. A lot of the time you get what you pay for.

At DT, I like Odighizuwa, but with 3-tech being one of the catalyst for the 4-3 scheme, I don't think he elevates this defense from good to great. And NT is a concern, but I can't blame the team for trying to see what it has in Mazi, since he cost us a first-round pick, but I hate that they choose to do it with adequate help. Of course, we might can find another vet like Hankins to trade for if he isn't up to the task.

Not sure how you can fairly grade a LB unit with subpar DT's.

I was reading an article about how the Maverick's and Celtics built their rosters by picking up players from bad teams. GM Jethro needs to learn a few things from this. Some of our fans still need to understand this as well.

Football is the ultimate team sport. Players from bad teams can have significantly deflated value because of the team they are on and vice versa.

Example

A RB could have bad numbers because of a poor OLine. He gets picked up or traded to a team with a good line and then has a career year. What changed? Did the RB have a great off season or was his performance simply elevated due to the talent around him.

I am sure we could argue that Diggs and Bland are the best CB combo in the NFL. However, if Parsons is not on our team, is that still the case?

 

[75boyz]

We had a Pro Bowl center with some flaws, and didn't address the position in FA. It looks like they may have gotten lucky with Cooper. I truly hope Tyler Guyton develops quickly. He will be a downgrade from Tyron early, but has the tools to develop into an elite player. What did they do to insure themselves if Guyton isn't ready?

Hankins was average. Mazi was awful. Nothing was done to address the position.

Armstrong would've fit the scheme. He was a solid role player. Fowler, you may be right. How does Sam Williams fit in? Has his run defense improved substantially since college? We don't know because of his limited snap count. Will the rookie be any good? I think so, but not super confident if he's forced to play a significant amount of snaps.

The complaint isn't that some players were let go. The issue is important positions like RB and DT were completely ignored. Stopping the run and establishing a ground game has always been the recipe for success, and it's looking like they will have a difficult time with both this season. This team is loaded with talent, but it's destined for mediocrity if these positions aren't addressed before the season starts.

Nice summary.
Totally agree.

 

[Chasing6]

We had a Pro Bowl center with some flaws, and didn't address the position in FA. It looks like they may have gotten lucky with Cooper. I truly hope Tyler Guyton develops quickly. He will be a downgrade from Tyron early, but has the tools to develop into an elite player. What did they do to insure themselves if Guyton isn't ready?

Hankins was average. Mazi was awful. Nothing was done to address the position.

Armstrong would've fit the scheme. He was a solid role player. Fowler, you may be right. How does Sam Williams fit in? Has his run defense improved substantially since college? We don't know because of his limited snap count. Will the rookie be any good? I think so, but not super confident if he's forced to play a significant amount of snaps.

The complaint isn't that some players were let go. The issue is important positions like RB and DT were completely ignored. Stopping the run and establishing a ground game has always been the recipe for success, and it's looking like they will have a difficult time with both this season. This team is loaded with talent, but it's destined for mediocrity if these positions aren't addressed before the season starts.

Not fair to say the RB positioned was ignored. We may not like the decisions they made there, but they made some additions.

The DT position really has no excuses. We may have received good value in round 7, but no way we can be done at this position.

 

[Buzzbait]

Buzzbait said:
Don't overlook draft pick DT Justin Rogers out of Auburn, 6'2" 338 lb 1T.

Slow and stiff!

He’s the proverbial “trash can full of dirt”!

Well, In due time that may prove to be true, but from the scouting reports I read he didn't sound like a "trash can full of dirt", nor did he sound like a 1st round pick, but a lot of good players were not 1st rounders. He's portrayed as a good stout 1T who is good against the run. If he's good against the run, that would make him an upgrade for the Cowboys.

 

[Buzzbait]

He is a big 1T, just don't want to see the geniuses try to turn him into a 3T during his rookie campaign.
Justin Rogers is a bull at his current weight.

I agree, on both counts. DQ would've done exactly like you said, just like he did with Mazi.
Hopefully Zimmer won't pull a Quinn.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I dont see him every being any better than Bohanna was to be honest

Why don't you think Justin Rogers could be better?

 

[big dog cowboy]

We had a Pro Bowl center with some flaws, and didn't address the position in FA. It looks like they may have gotten lucky with Cooper. I truly hope Tyler Guyton develops quickly. He will be a downgrade from Tyron early, but has the tools to develop into an elite player. What did they do to insure themselves if Guyton isn't ready?

Cooper replaces Biadiaz easily.

If the Cowboys had a replacement ready for Tyron, they wouldn't have drafted Guyton.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Why don't you think Justin Rogers could be better?

Because he is very limited. Interior run defender only Players like him that can move with the LOS are limited on stretch runs, and those runs gave us more trouble than anything last year. He isnt likely to ever see the field more than 20% of the time , and thats due to physical limitations more than experience. Being a guy thats ever getting 20% of snaps would he a win for him

 

[Zekeats]

3 defensive tackles Cowboys should inquire about trading for https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...ndidates-tj-slaton-phidarian-mathis-siaki-ika


Wouldn't hurt, who would you want. Surely wouldn't be the Browns guy unless he's but before the start of the season. I can't see them giving us him before we play them maybe after

They coulda got Ika in the 3rd round of the draft last year and taken anyone else in round 1. Ika over Mazi is an easy decision for me.

 

[Coogiguy03]

They coulda got Ika in the 3rd round of the draft last year and taken anyone else in round 1. Ika over Mazi is an easy decision for me.

I hear ya

 

[Rayman70]

I think Rogers will impress and be much better early and very effective plugging the middle. That said, we need a more experienced guy there for quality and depth.Im just not sure thats gonna be easy to find, but like always, we see surprises as far as good players getting cut after camp. I think we will get a guy at DT but it will be after Oxnard or if we have a injury problem. Carl Davis is hardly the answer.

 

[kskboys]

I understand the concerns, but paying a RB $10M just to have an extra 200 yards does not seem worth it to me. I love the committee approach, just wish we had drafted a young RB.

I was never a huge fan of LVE. Seemed like a majority of his tackles were 5+ yards down the field.

DT is the biggest concern. LB's alone is not going to fix our run D. Need to trade some of those conditional 5th round picks.

LVE was great his rook year, but after that he could never regain his stellar play due to the neck injury. Since LB's have to play w/ their head on a swivel, makes sense that he was never the same.

 

[kskboys]

I have been waiting for anyone to explain which loss hurt this roster.

We had an undersized center that was never going to get any stronger and was constantly moving backwards.

Hankins was living off his name value alone, decent DT but loosing Hankins now churns the DT room.

Armstrong and Fowler where never going to fit Zims scheme, so bye bye, and now we churn even more.

The depth of this roster has to step up into some starting roles, and the depth is wide open for review, I like the way this roster is being built.

Get rid of names and players that you know have already hit their ceilings, and if that ceiling isn't good enough than it is time to say adios amigos.

The hurt is all based on "If". If Beebe can play C, no loss. If Mazi/Rogers can be adequate at NT, no loss. If we can find a RB to be at least average, no loss. If we can find a LT, no loss.

We have a pile of question marks w/ no clear answer, and no answer at all until we wait til the season to see what we have. Just the improved LB play will help loads, but if we can't find a viable starting 1 tech, even that may be negated.

 

[Nova]

We had a Pro Bowl center with some flaws, and didn't address the position in FA. It looks like they may have gotten lucky with Cooper. I truly hope Tyler Guyton develops quickly. He will be a downgrade from Tyron early, but has the tools to develop into an elite player. What did they do to insure themselves if Guyton isn't ready?

Hankins was average. Mazi was awful. Nothing was done to address the position.

Armstrong would've fit the scheme. He was a solid role player. Fowler, you may be right. How does Sam Williams fit in? Has his run defense improved substantially since college? We don't know because of his limited snap count. Will the rookie be any good? I think so, but not super confident if he's forced to play a significant amount of snaps.

The complaint isn't that some players were let go. The issue is important positions like RB and DT were completely ignored. Stopping the run and establishing a ground game has always been the recipe for success, and it's looking like they will have a difficult time with both this season. This team is loaded with talent, but it's destined for mediocrity if these positions aren't addressed before the season starts.

Also, for me lack of moves at DT just continues the pattern of neglect for the position.

This team just does not invest enough resources there-- not in line at all with what strong playoff teams are doing.

 

[calicowboy54]

First two are interesting. Slaton isnt a world beater, but he is a good fall back if Mazi doesn't improve. He is an adequate run stopping 1T. Mathis is very talented, but has had some injury issues in the NFL

If you didn't like Mazi's production, you definitely wont like Ika's.1 tackle in 100 snaps

yeah but if you put them in a rotation i think you might get some more production out of them. also they are another year in the league so more experience.

 

[exciter]

Buzzbait said:
Don't overlook draft pick DT Justin Rogers out of Auburn, 6'2" 338 lb 1T.

Well, In due time that may prove to be true, but from the scouting reports I read he didn't sound like a "trash can full of dirt", nor did he sound like a 1st round pick, but a lot of good players were not 1st rounders. He's portrayed as a good stout 1T who is good against the run. If he's good against the run, that would make him an upgrade for the Cowboys.

He looked slow and stiff, which was what most of the scouting reports said and why most had him listed as 7th to UDFA.

 

[Whiskey Cowboy]

Cooper replaces Biadiaz easily.

If the Cowboys had a replacement ready for Tyron, they wouldn't have drafted Guyton.

We don't know Cooper can walk right in and start at a position he has very limited experience at. I think he can, but I'm not sold. As I said, we were incredibly fortunate that he fell. He should've been gone in the second. That's luck, not great roster management.

Tyron can't be replaced. Bringing in someone serviceable with the intention of drafting a long term replacement should've been the move. Half right is better than completely wrong, I guess. Guyton will also be switching sides. There's no guarantee of a smooth transition.

So we're looking at a pair of unknowns starting on the line. I'm not worried so much about center. If Cooper can snap the ball, being flanked by Smith and Martin helps a ton. Left tackle is troubling. I'm a Sooner fan. Guyton was a good player in college, but there were very few occasions watching the games where I thought, "holy crap, that guy is a future pro bowler". He has the tools, the frame, and the pedigree. He doesn't have the experience you want from a guy walking into protecting Dak's blindside as a rookie.

You keep wondering why fans like me have concerns. This is why. I don't have faith that this team can fall back on its depth and rookie class to fill the void left by the loss of several key contributors. I hope they prove me wrong, and maybe they will.