30 for 30 Elway to Marino

[CashMan]

I caught this last night, it went over the 1983 draft, with Kelly, Elway and Marino.

Kinda interesting. Said Dallas was going to give up either 3 1st rd picks or 2 starters and 2 1st rd picks for Elway, but Irsay was stubborn. He ended up getting the 4th overall pick which was a lineman, a backup QB and someone else. Also, I thought it was funny, they said Al Davis was soo busy suing the NFL that he didn't pay attention to Marino trying to scout him.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Danny White was in that draft equation as well.

 

[CashMan]

Danny White was in that draft equation as well.

They didn't talk about him, I wanna say when the Jets came on the clock, they said the Jets worked out Ken O'Brien and MArino. And there was another QB who went to the Cards, I think.

I wasn't alive when this draft happened, so can't speak about White.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I thought it was a great 30 for 30. One of the best they did. The subject matter was clearly interesting because not only did you have Elway and Marino, but the '83 draft class was a great draft class. Their agent keeping his journal of the events bolstered this thru the roof. And it was a good job of directing.

To think that Bill Walsh was seriously considering trading Montana for Elway....wow!





YR

 

[JackWagon]

I thought it was a great 30 for 30. One of the best they did. The subject matter was clearly interesting because not only did you have Elway and Marino, but the '83 draft class was a great draft class. Their agent keeping his journal of the events bolstered this thru the roof. And it was a good job of directing.

To think that Bill Walsh was seriously considering trading Montana for Elway....wow!





YR

Elway was probably the most sure fire Hall of Famer ever to come outta the draft. Just no kidding this kid is gonna be a hall of famer.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

They didn't talk about him, I wanna say when the Jets came on the clock, they said the Jets worked out Ken O'Brien and MArino. And there was another QB who went to the Cards, I think.

I wasn't alive when this draft happened, so can't speak about White.

No they talked about it on the show. Danny White was a consideration to trade to the Colts, along with draft picks, in order to get Elway.

The agents detailed notes said that the Cowboys were not happy with Danny White at that time.

 

[CashMan]

Keeping notes from 30yrs ago, that is crazy, but it really propelled the story.

 

[burmafrd]

I thought it was a great 30 for 30. One of the best they did. The subject matter was clearly interesting because not only did you have Elway and Marino, but the '83 draft class was a great draft class. Their agent keeping his journal of the events bolstered this thru the roof. And it was a good job of directing.

To think that Bill Walsh was seriously considering trading Montana for Elway....wow!





YR

I really wonder about that. By 1983 Montana was an All Pro and Elway was a untried draft prospect.

 

[CashMan]

I really wonder about that. By 1983 Montana was an All Pro and Elway was a untried draft prospect.

Ya...but wasn't Walsh the QB guru?

 

[joseephuss]

I really wonder about that. By 1983 Montana was an All Pro and Elway was a untried draft prospect.

Montana didn't get his first of 3 All-Pros until 1987. Prior to that 1983 draft Montana had gone to one Pro-Bowl in 1981. San Francisco also won the SB that season. The 49ers were coming off of a 3-6 strike shortened 1982 season going into that 1983 draft. Having a losing season could have influenced their thinking. Montana really upped his game starting in 1983.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I really wonder about that. By 1983 Montana was an All Pro and Elway was a untried draft prospect.

Back then (and even still today), Montana was considered a system QB.

I think Montana was a system QB to a degree. I don't think Montana would have been Montana in a Zampese style offense. But, he was a phenomenal fit in the WCO.

Elway was the most pure, complete QB I've ever seen. Every main attribute you look for in a QB, Elway was either topping the charts or was flat out off the charts.

Plus, teams are much more educated about the draft and the game now then they were back then.

The draft always fascinated me because it was in NYC and if there's one thing about NYC; they make for great crowds. In particular Jets fans. So I used to follow and watch the draft seriously even as a little kid because I was so enthralled with the emotion at the draft.

These days you just don't see anything remotely like the '83 draft. The picks are much more well thought out and vetted. They may not work out well, but in general everybody has so similar draft boards that there are no giant surprises anymore.

In essence, it's why I could see Walsh tinkering with the idea of trading Montana for Elway. These days...no way. But back then they just didn't have the experience and education of the draft.







YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Keeping notes from 30yrs ago, that is crazy, but it really propelled the story.

Absolutely.

Part of the problem with this documentary is that some of the people like Accorsi, Sullivan, Wolf, etc, showed some revisionist history to make their side of the story look better.

The only guy that seemed to be telling the clear truth and painting an accurate picture was a lawyer.

That's rare to come by.






YR

 

[arglebargle]

I caught this last night, it went over the 1983 draft, with Kelly, Elway and Marino.

Kinda interesting. Said Dallas was going to give up either 3 1st rd picks or 2 starters and 2 1st rd picks for Elway, but Irsay was stubborn. He ended up getting the 4th overall pick which was a lineman, a backup QB and someone else. Also, I thought it was funny, they said Al Davis was soo busy suing the NFL that he didn't pay attention to Marino trying to scout him.

Irsay was a grade A idiot.

 

[arglebargle]

Elway was probably the most sure fire Hall of Famer ever to come outta the draft. Just no kidding this kid is gonna be a hall of famer.

How much better would he have been if he'd had a coach his entire career who really used his skills all the time. Elway was noted for his two minute drill scoring because that was the only time that Reeves would unleash him. I like Dan Reeves, but as Denver HC he had tunnel vision bad.

 

[burmafrd]

How much better would he have been if he'd had a coach his entire career who really used his skills all the time. Elway was noted for his two minute drill scoring because that was the only time that Reeves would unleash him. I like Dan Reeves, but as Denver HC he had tunnel vision bad.

The real problem Elway had was that the organization was weak and never set on building a complete team until late in his career.

 

[burmafrd]

Montana didn't get his first of 3 All-Pros until 1987. Prior to that 1983 draft Montana had gone to one Pro-Bowl in 1981. San Francisco also won the SB that season. The 49ers were coming off of a 3-6 strike shortened 1982 season going into that 1983 draft. Having a losing season could have influenced their thinking. Montana really upped his game starting in 1983.

Meant to say Pro Bowl. And back then that meant something. It was 84 that he really became all World. Seriously though, a QB that has already come back in big games and won a SB and walsh was thinking of taking a flyer on a rookie? Just plain dumb.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

The real problem Elway had was that the organization was weak and never set on building a complete team until late in his career.

Elway's receivers were so bad. I remember watching games where he would hit WR after WR right in the numbers and they would drop it. His running backs in a then-RB centric league were Sammy Winder and Bobby Humphries.

He also started to call his own plays one year when that was a concept that didn't exist in the league. I also remember somebody asked Bruce Smith who the physically toughest QB he ever faced was and he replied 'John Elway. I had a bunch of times where I hit him as hard as I possibly could and he got up like I never even touched him.'






YR

 

[CashMan]

Irsay was a grade A idiot.

I assume, it is genetics, then?

 

[Irving Cowboy]

I'll have to watch it again, but there was a part in there where they were showing Demoff's notes where he had the words "Dallas" and what looked like "suicide". Like I said, I'll have to watch it again.

Demoff's negotiations with Joe Robbie were hilarious too.

 

[arglebargle]

Elway's receivers were so bad. I remember watching games where he would hit WR after WR right in the numbers and they would drop it. His running backs in a then-RB centric league were Sammy Winder and Bobby Humphries.

He also started to call his own plays one year when that was a concept that didn't exist in the league. I also remember somebody asked Bruce Smith who the physically toughest QB he ever faced was and he replied 'John Elway. I had a bunch of times where I hit him as hard as I possibly could and he got up like I never even touched him.'






YR

Elway certainly had his best years under Philips and Shanahan. In part because they let loose of the reins, though better personnel may factor in as well. Though neither of those coaches seem to be geniuses at that either.