30 Points+ a Game?

fansince68

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It really is strange because it seems he's regressed in some ways.

I hope you're right though! I don't necessarily agree there, but it sure would be fun to see Dak come back and start playing like early 2021 Dak. This team could be scary if that's the case.
Did you guys forget the pattern? 2019 Dak would stumble, fumble, give the opposing team a good lead then throw like a bat out of hell against "prevent" defenses for 5,000 yards. I had hoped having a 50 yard football field at his home would give him ample opportunity to develop.
 

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I agree. But also coming into play is the way you frame your position. Over two decades ago I posted something on the messageboard of a local newspaper. DallasEast was a poster there and called me out for stating opinion as fact. I think I dodged that discussion at the time. But that has stuck with me for all these years.

If it is opinion, then state same and don't act like you are revealing universal truth.

I can deal with opinion painted as such.
 

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Well for starters Dak would not have been in the NFL this long if he could not read a defense. Remember how defenses constantly blitzed Dak the first half of last season? Well why do teams blitz in the first place? It's to get the ball out of the QB's hands quickly so he doesn't have time to sit back there and pick a team apart. Can a QB that cannot read a defense do that?

Now we get to the second half struggles of 2021. Part of it was Dak's leg injury, part of it was the offensive line did not play well from November on, another part of it was Kellen Moore not adapting his playcalling once defenses stopped blitzing and started playing coverage. The Cowboys could not run the ball to get them out of it, Moore stubbornly kept trying the same things, and Dak, while not without fault himself, fell on the sword.

Hopefully things change once Dak comes back. Just keep the Rush offense in there, sprinkling in some aspects of what Dak does best, and let the defense do the rest.

Yes indeed .. provided the OL and backs / TEs can pick up the blitz.
 

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CeeDee will lose us a game this year because of a bad drop. I don't think that's a real bold statement or anything. CeeDee Lamb wasn't even in the top 20 in targets in 2021 but was 4th in drops. Dude drops passes...like a lot and he tends to do it in big moments in games. Still love him as our #2 wide out though.

Honestly, I think Lamb's issue is with peeking down the field to set up his run after catch .. which he ranks very well with. I'm a Cee Dee fan .. I just think you've have to catch the routine ones. They all drop one from time to time .. just seems like a lot of his are on 3rd downs. FOCUS, BABY!
 

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I agree. But also coming into play is the way you frame your position. Over two decades ago I posted something on the messageboard of a local newspaper. DallasEast was a poster there and called me out for stating opinion as fact. I think I dodged that discussion at the time. But that has stuck with me for all these years.

If it is opinion, then state same and don't act like you are revealing universal truth.

I can deal with opinion painted as such.

I believe in this premise .. however, one would think our media would be held to the same standard.
 

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I agree. But also coming into play is the way you frame your position. Over two decades ago I posted something on the messageboard of a local newspaper. DallasEast was a poster there and called me out for stating opinion as fact. I think I dodged that discussion at the time. But that has stuck with me for all these years.

If it is opinion, then state same and don't act like you are revealing universal truth.

I can deal with opinion painted as such.

So if I sit down to play black jack and tell you with certainty that I will get one 21 during one of my many hands, is that stating opinion as fact? Because basically, CeeDee Lamb dropping a big pass to help us lose a game is a 21 and I'm at a $5 table with a $1000 purse and boy do I like my odds of it hitting. In this case I hope it doesn't happen, but I've seen far too many black jack hands to know that a 21 will come eventually.
 

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This is the one take away from watching Cooper that I wish Dak had. That throw Coop made to Gallup yesterday that Gallup dropped was a prime example. It was 3rd down I believe and Rush felt pressure and threw it to a spot that Gallup wasn't even close to yet. Dak never makes that throw.

 

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Hell yea. Gallup and Dak have always looked good on the deep ball. I'm not sure if this is supposed to help my case or not because not a single pass was thrown to an area that Gallup wasn't already pre occupying, but I'm assuming your helping make my case?
 

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Dak struggles in reading a disguised zone defense; especially when they show man pre-snap, then drop back into a hybrid zone.

Defenses don't send crazy blitzes anymore because the blueprint is out and Dak's inability to process those disguised looks is now common knowledge.

So you're partly right in the fact that Dak is able to read certain defenses. But others cause him to become a deer-in-headlights.

Well when teams are dropping 7 into coverage and getting pressure with 4 and stopping the run, most qbs struggle, Mahommes had the same issues early last season with teams employing the same defense.
 

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Hell yea. Gallup and Dak have always looked good on the deep ball. I'm not sure if this is supposed to help my case or not because not a single pass was thrown to an area that Gallup wasn't already pre occupying, but I'm assuming your helping make my case?

Nah were absolutely some few anticipation throws in that video. The 2nd Greenbay clip, for example. Not sure what you mean by preoccupying bc all Rush did on the Gallup throw you are referencing is throw it short.


 

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Not with the receiving corps we have right now.

Am I the only one noticing how little separation our guys get for the majority of the game? Then, of course, there are the all too familiar drops .. in the most crucial times, I might add.

Dak has never shown the ability to "throw a receiver open." He must see them open, which necessitates him holding the ball longer and being under pressure - which leads to sacks and turnovers.

Dak does not read defenses well - for whatever reason, and that in itself is a terrible hinderance. He also doesn't run anymore, which was his "separator" all through college and early pro career.

Throwing it 40 times a game cuts into the recently successful "Run 1st" policy Dallas has been employing lately. The 2-headed snake of Zeke/Pollard is racking up yardage and beating up D-lines. We don't need a back to get 150 yards per game - but we do need our backs to put up 150.
I don't think it's the separation.
It's the inability to break tackles.
There hardly and explosion after the catch.
Cowboys receivers are small and quick, with not much size and strength.
 

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Nah were absolutely some few anticipation throws in that video. The 2nd Greenbay clip, for example. Not sure what you mean by preoccupying bc all Rush did on the Gallup throw you are referencing is throw it short.




Not that play my dude. It was the one Gallup unfortunately dropped :mad:
 

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I just find it hard to believe it took seven years for NFL defensive coordinators to figure this out about Dak. I think he just played poorly down the stretch last year because he was in a slump, not because there was some magical solution discovered.
The "magical solution" was that teams could play coverage AND still shut the run down without loading up in the Box. And that was all because ...
  1. Last year's run blocking was consistently crappy. And when they did open a whole, it usually meant ...
  2. Penalties, penalties, penalties. Hard to get the running game going if 1st down is OVER 10 yards away
  3. Even if for some reason we got something going on the ground, for whatever reason the offense would just abandon the run anyways
    1. Was it Dak calling audibles out of too many runs, or was Kellen calling too many pass plays?
    2. Considering teams played so many two deep safeties, I believe (and hope) Dak wasn't stupid enough to change into pass plays there
Just like week 1, outside of the stupid reverse/double reverse on the first drive, our running game was doing pretty good. The run blocking was 10x better than 2021's best game. Yet for some reason, being down by just a single score most of the game, we abandoned the run.

Hopefully seeing success with Rush at QB helps enforce that the offense can be BALANCED and still win, especially with this D.
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Nah were absolutely some few anticipation throws in that video. The 2nd Greenbay clip, for example. Not sure what you mean by preoccupying bc all Rush did on the Gallup throw you are referencing is throw it short.




I'm probably nit picking Dak here and he probably does throw more anticipation throws then I'm giving credit for. I am in no way saying Coop should keep the job though. Dak makes this offense better no doubt.
 

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Did you people see the way Matthew Stafford hit Cooper Kupp in stride? That's the way to get YAC on the play. I haven't seen a Cowboys QB do that in a long while.
 

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Well I don't want my qb throwing it all over the yard anyway. To me that's just so ladies would watch. Defense, running game and pass when you have to. To tell you the truth these last four games have been a breath of fresh air

But I'll be the first to tell you I'm an old guy. So who cares what I think. I know this Dallas has never won with out an effective run game and a stout defense. Hell Super Bowl MVP's were Randy White and Harvey Martin
 
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