30 touches for Murray is too much

[TwoDeep3]

First of all, he is injury prone

Secondly, he does not make people miss.

With the coverages Dez and Miles are going to see. We have to have explosive players to take advantage of single coverage or soft spots in the zone. The flats were open...we need a guy that can take a 4 yard catch and turn it into a big play. I assume everyone saw Reggie Bush go 80 yards on a simple pass play

I hope Dunbar can play soon and make teams pay for suffocating Dez. And then we can return Murray to a role that will suit him better over the course of 16 games. But we have way too many talented players on this roster to lean on Murray this much.

So many teams are employing RB by committee. Murray is NOT Adrian Peterson. So he should NOT touch the ball this much

1. Please establish that he is injury prone. Facts is please establish there is such a thing as injury prone.

2. Not miss...ever?

3. Think the defense the Giants played which was to use extra pass coverage because they could control the running game with their front four had anything to do with Murray's ability to "explode?"

4. What Reggie Bush did was terrific. But you are comparing situations and the implication is both were the same. They were not. They never are.

5. What has Dunbar done that indicates he is the answer? Other than one pre-season game where he got to the outside and ran down the field - and fumbled - where is this evidence he is the answer?

6. AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT - He is in so much because he blocks and others do not. Not to mention he saved a touchdown on the interception by hustle.

It's a little early to be calling out Murray.

What shouldn't happen is Romo throwing the ball forty plus times.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

First of all, he is injury prone

Secondly, he does not make people miss.

With the coverages Dez and Miles are going to see. We have to have explosive players to take advantage of single coverage or soft spots in the zone. The flats were open...we need a guy that can take a 4 yard catch and turn it into a big play. I assume everyone saw Reggie Bush go 80 yards on a simple pass play

I hope Dunbar can play soon and make teams pay for suffocating Dez. And then we can return Murray to a role that will suit him better over the course of 16 games. But we have way too many talented players on this roster to lean on Murray this much.

So many teams are employing RB by committee. Murray is NOT Adrian Peterson. So he should NOT touch the ball this much

This is such a bad post, i don't even know where to begin.. blahh.

First, is he injury prone?

Second, does he not make people miss?

Not every running back in the league is going to catch a ball in the flat and take it 80 yards to the house in week 1..you realize that right?

Are we really going to knock him because he didn't do that?

Anyway, we won the game, so im not sure how you can say what we did with Murray was the wrong decision.

We wanted to run the ball more with the lead to run some clock.. pretty standard thing to do when you have a sizable lead.

125 total yards

4.3 ypc

5 ypcatch

I think he did just fine.


The only thing i will say is that i do believe we got too conservative with the playcalling in the 4th quarter.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

1. Please establish that he is injury prone. Facts is please establish there is such a thing as injury prone.

2. Not miss...ever?

3. Think the defense the Giants played which was to use extra pass coverage because they could control the running game with their front four had anything to do with Murray's ability to "explode?"

4. What Reggie Bush did was terrific. But you are comparing situations and the implication is both were the same. They were not. They never are.

5. What has Dunbar done that indicates he is the answer? Other than one pre-season game where he got to the outside and ran down the field - and fumbled - where is this evidence he is the answer?

6. AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT - He is in so much because he blocks and others do not. Not to mention he saved a touchdown on the interception by hustle.

It's a little early to be calling out Murray.

What shouldn't happen is Romo throwing the ball forty plus times.

Nice post.

Not to mention the one carry we did give to another RB, they fumbled.

 

[jrumann59]

Dump off passes and screens are like long hand-offs. no he did not have a fruitful fantasy week but you know what after the performance more teams will pay attention to him especially when he leaks out of the backfield. We complain that we do not run enough but Murray touched the ball 28 times mainly hand offs and small dump offs. I expect his running yardage to go up especially with Waters getting into the mix, Bernie just sucks for a big guy, reminds me of holland but with a higher price tag.

 

[Dodger]

6. AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT - He is in so much because he blocks and others do not. Not to mention he saved a touchdown on the interception by hustle.

It's a little early to be calling out Murray.

What shouldn't happen is Romo throwing the ball forty plus times.

Yes, yes, and yes. Good post.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Murray didn't have many holes last night. Tanner wouldn't have done any better.

 

[Idgit]

he was horsecollared on the fumble....

Yep. And it was an obvious one. Between that no-call and the multiple obvious holds they were letting those Giants OTs get away with, I was pulling my hair out. Finally, we got the obvious hold on Hatcher called, and I thought even that one was going to be ignored.

 

[fifaguy]

Was Randle active?

 

[Trueboysfan]

Murray did a fine job last night...I know he's only going to get better as time goes on...if he gets injured we still have Randle and Dunbar.

 

[newlander]

Murray was solid. He averaged over 4 yards a touch and ran over some people. He is fine as our workhorse back, we just need Dunbar back for a slightly different look. Tanner looked terrible.

All good posts guys, but especially this one. Murray is indeed solid but hasn't show durability so he needs help: Tanner did look like dog doo and Dunbar looked awesome before he got hurt. It's his job when he's healthy....he has a foot injury correct? Cant' WAIT till he comes back because he is the perfect compliment we need. He has the quicks, hands and knack for getting open in the flats....at least he did in the preseason against other teams ones. We get him and Spence back on D' and we're in business: not counting on Rat....he's a cancer IMO

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Murray was solid. He averaged over 4 yards a touch and ran over some people. He is fine as our workhorse back, we just need Dunbar back for a slightly different look. Tanner looked terrible.

This is an "old" way of thinking. Averaging 4 yards per touch works in the "old" NFL. Last night..watching Shady McCoy...that is a guy who deserves multiple touches. Of course I understand Murray is not Shady. But that is exactly my point...you CANNOT touch the ball that much when you are not explosive. We need to get the ball to explosive players that can put pressure on a defense! Makes it easier on EVERYONE to get "chunks" of yards. Moving in 4 yard chunks will get you beat!

People often misunderstand "pointing out concerns" as complaining. Murray has a big role on this team. But there is a large sector of this fanbase that overrates him. He is NOT Emmit Smith. And this is not the 90s. So me saying 30 touches is too much for him is my way of saying some of those swing passes need to go to Dunbar when he is healthy.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

This is an "old" way of thinking. Averaging 4 yards per touch works in the "old" NFL. Last night..watching Shady McCoy...that is a guy who deserves multiple touches. Of course I understand Murray is not Shady. But that is exactly my point...you CANNOT touch the ball that much when you are not explosive. We need to get the ball to explosive players that can put pressure on a defense! Makes it easier on EVERYONE to get "chunks" of yards. Moving in 4 yard chunks will get you beat!

People often misunderstand "pointing out concerns" as complaining. Murray has a big role on this team. But there is a large sector of this fanbase that overrates him. He is NOT Emmit Smith. And this is not the 90s. So me saying 30 touches is too much for him is my way of saying some of those swing passes need to go to Dunbar when he is healthy.

I'm sorry, but I just don't agree. The comparison to McCoy is absurd because they are two completely different types of runners with two complete different skillsets. Of course McCoy is going to have "bigger" players, but Murray is arguably better for consistency and wearing down defenses. And yes, I agree that spouting off "4.3 yards a carry" in a vacuum is pointless, so how about this -- Murray totaled 125 total yards and averaged 4.3 ypc against a great run defenses and behind mediocre run blocking that should be vastly improved with the addition of Waters. You simply don't tally those numbers in those circumstances without being somewhat "explosive." So, though Murray is not Smith, he certainly doesn't have to be, and just because you have certain "concerns" doesn't mean everyone shares them.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I'm sorry, but I just don't agree. The comparison to McCoy is absurd because they are two completely different types of runners with two complete different skillsets. Of course McCoy is going to have "bigger" players, but Murray is arguably better for consistency and wearing down defenses. And yes, I agree that spouting off "4.3 yards a carry" in a vacuum is pointless, so how about this -- Murray totaled 125 total yards and averaged 4.3 ypc against a great run defenses and behind mediocre run blocking that should be vastly improved with the addition of Waters. You simply don't tally those numbers in those circumstances without being somewhat "explosive." So, though Murray is not Smith, he certainly doesn't have to be, and just because you have certain "concerns" doesn't mean everyone shares them.

You are right. We don't have to agree. We both stated our opinion. We do it in a respectful manner. And I guess we will just sit back and see how it unfolds.

And for the record....I am not COMPARING the 2 players. I am saying Shady is the type of player that can touch the ball 25 times a game. Because of big play ability. Teams will give Murray all the swing passes all day long...because they can get him to the ground. There is a reason the flats were open. Because they are on top of Dez. So all I am saying is that it would be in our best interest to get the ball to people in the flats.....from time to time..... that can scare a defense

 

[conner01]

I disagree[and i've been critical of murray's agility]
I seen him run up the middle on a decent run, fake out a defender and get some decent yardage.
He'll settle in. I say give him 20 carries a game and the other carries should be split between the other RB's.

he got exactly 20 carries which is where i think they want him to be. we need 15 more by other guys too. but when we took him out we had a fumble
when dunbar is healthy he will get some of those carries but he will also get some of those passes out of the backfield
if you limit murray to 20 touches then you really don't need him on the team. thats only 12 to 15 carries

 

[CATCH17]

I like Murray and he can wear down a defense but he isn't going to run around anyone.

He's just going to get whats there and make you pay for tackling him.

 

[jrumann59]

Comparing Murray to Shady is just dumb. McCoy is the focal point of their offense because they do not have a consistent QB that can improvise and that can handle pressure they have to run or Vick gets killed then they are on to QB2 or QB3. Dallas offensive strategy is run some pass a lot you just need an effective running back for the 20-25 handoffs per game.

 

[OhSnap]

Giants forced our offense into running at their strength---their DLine. On passing downs it forced Romo to check down, especially away from Dez. There --if the Lions can still keep Megatron involved, we should be able to tweak ours for Dez. Teams will copy that until it does get adapted to by Garretts system.

Bad example. You don't want the Cowboys targeting Dez the way the Lions do CJ. The offense worked exactly like it was supposed to. The object is to score points NOT get Dez the ball.

 

[perrykemp]

Murray totaled 125 total yards and averaged 4.3 ypc against a great run defense

I think Murray played great however I wanted to correct this statement that I keep seeing repeated here in the last day or so. The Giants, at least based on their 2012 results, had one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

The Giants had the 24th ranked run defense in the NFL last season
The Giants had the 31st ranked overall defense in the NFL last season

 

[aikemirv]

I though Murray played well. I am surprised to see complaints about his game.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Without Murry's performance, we lose that game IMO.

Harris getting more reps at WR3, Waters at G, and Dunbar returning as a change-of-pace RB should give our offense a boost.