3rd String QB, My Convoluted Thoughts

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I am pretty much resigned to the fact that next week we will probably add Brooks Bollinger to be the 3rd string QB. On the record, I am not too jazzed about the idea.

Brooks Bollinger is exactly that, a 3rd string QB. I was under the impression as the process began that the idea was to bring in someone to groom as Brad Johnson's replacement. Brad's the 2nd string guy, not the 3rd string guy even though some would prefer Johnson be 3rd string.

Let's look at the names that have been mentioned. Bollinger, Simms, and Beck. The way I see it Bollinger stands out from the other two for one reason and one reason only. No one else is interested in him at this point.

Not a good sign.

Regardless of whether you like Chris Simms or hate him, remember his Longhorn days fondly or as him being a known caddy for Major Applewhite, there is one thing that is a given. Chris Simms did all right in a complex offense before he got hurt. Also relevant is that other teams showed interest in him.

I remain convinced that John Beck was the best option of the three. First of all the guy running the show in Miami is Bill Parcells and we all know how nervous he is about young QBs. If Chad Pennington goes down, and let's be real he has a History of it, as it stands right now Parcells has to go with either the 4 games of experience of John Beck, or his handpicked future QB, Chad Henne. I am still shocked Parcells traded McCown instead of Beck. For a 7th round pick no less.

So now Miami is sitting there with 2 unproven young QBs behind a delicate veteran Friend of Bill. Maybe Miami is not quite done at QB?

Which brings me back to Bollinger coming here. He's not a bad QB and I'm not saying he is. His completion % is fairly good and he is a smart QB, an under rated intangible IMO. The other 2 are just as smart. Simms may be the toughest of the three. Beck has the most upside. Beck is the one that could be our Matt Schaub down the road.

Bollinger in blue and silver. What does that mean? It means that we are short one more position on the 53 man roster at a time when we have guys dinged up at WR and LB. I repeat, no one is racing us to Bollinger.

My suggestion, stick with 2 QBs and Bartel on the Practice Squad so we can keep the extra roster spots open. In a pinch late in a game if both Romo and Johnson have gone down, insert Stanback or Crayton as the emergency QB.

If Romo and Johnson are both too dinged to play the next week...Bollinger will be there and so will Bartel. If it comes to that we're screwed anyway. Sort of like keeping him on retainer without actually screwing up the roster.

It'll obviously never happen that way, and he is likely going to be the 3rd guy. One of these days I hope Jerry will make this place a QB factory like I want. Where we have 3 viable options and 2 of the options can always garner us draft picks while we groom someone to be the guy one day.

Thank our lucky stars above that Tony Romo seems to be be durable and he's young.
 

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My hunch is that Bollinger if signed will be with an eye towards Brad retiring at years end and Bollinger becoming #2.

The search then continues for a #3 guy to spend time grooming.

Otherwise, I have no interest in having both backup QB's be guys with virtually no developmental upside.
 

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I fully agree with your stance on the subject.

I see no reason for this team to run out and sign Brooks Bollinger, esepcially at this point.

Given the current situations at O-line and especially receiver, it makes little to no sense to me in rushing to get Bollinger on the roster.

If you're thinking about opening up a roster space, do it for a position of depleted depth like receiver, not to start to develop next year's #2 - at best.
 

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I have never felt Bollinger could actually play.

I am still hopeful after week 1 we sign Simms.
I am hopeful that the Bollinger talk is just to soften Simms up to a non-guaranteed deal.

I do not believe Simms is great but he has at least performed in an NFL offense as you mentioned. He is also physical a talented guy who should mature into a better pro than he was a college player.
 

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Personally, I don't think Simms in on the right mental level to be a good QB. What I mean by that is I don't feel his mind works correctly for a QB. Thats not a shot at him as I'm not calling him stupid or anything like that. I just don't think his mind follows the correct path of deduction while processing things a QB processes. Say a lack of latency in determining the correct path. Whether that means making mental errors when their isn't time, or taking way to much time to determine the correct path / action. I saw it in Texas and I saw it in Tampa.

...needless to say, I'm not a big Simms supporter. Even though he has the pedigree.
 

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nyc;2233760 said:
Personally, I don't think Simms in on the right mental level to be a good QB. What I mean by that is I don't feel his mind works correctly for a QB. Thats not a shot at him as I'm not calling him stupid or anything like that. I just don't think his mind follows the correct path of deduction while processing things a QB processes. Say a lack of latency in determining the correct path. Whether that means making mental errors when their isn't time, or taking way to much time to determine the correct path / action. I saw it in Texas and I saw it in Tampa.

...needless to say, I'm not a big Simms supporter. Even though he has the pedigree.

Agreed.

I'm not big on Simms either.

From what I've seen of him, he's never been a great decision-maker and what I watched of him recently, I thought the guy's mechanics were terrible.

That surprised me considering Gruden's obsession with QB's and Simms' experience at the NFL level, not to mention growing up as Phil's son.

I expected better mechanics from him.

Beck may be the most realistic 'get' at this point.
 

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nyc;2233760 said:
Personally, I don't think Simms in on the right mental level to be a good QB. What I mean by that is I don't feel his mind works correctly for a QB. Thats not a shot at him as I'm not calling him stupid or anything like that. I just don't think his mind follows the correct path of deduction while processing things a QB processes. Say a lack of latency in determining the correct path. Whether that means making mental errors when their isn't time, or taking way to much time to determine the correct path / action. I saw it in Texas and I saw it in Tampa.

...needless to say, I'm not a big Simms supporter. Even though he has the pedigree.
Gruden's Offense isn't exactly easy and he performed well in that system.

Not sure I agree with you about his mental level.
 

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I don't care who gets the backup QB job as long he can hold on field goals.
 

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My thought is this - "Who's going to backup Romo's backup in order to eventually become Romo's backup?" - Is not really worth worrying about.
 

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Beck, Simms, Bollinger...


I think the Cowboys are doing whatever they can just to have something this year and then next year draft a QB anywhere from rounds 2-4.

I don't think they view any of the guys looked at this year as being a potential long-term solution if Romo went down. If they were then the Cowboys would be much more aggressive at acquiring one. But obviously none of the three is being looked upon as being a long-term solution.

It's all about maintaining this year and then getting a "real" QB next year.

As a side note, I don't think there's a playoff team out there that's really solid at the QB spot if their starter went down. It's the nature of the beast.
 

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FWIW, I still wouldn't hate the idea of adding Duante Culpepper once Brad Johnson is gone if we do not make a move for Beck or Simms. I like backups who have had some success in the NFL (Culpepper and Simms), and I like backups who are obviously moves towards the future of the franchise (Beck). Not too crazy about backups who do not inspire at least a little confidence that they can keep the ship afloat in an emergency (Bartel & Bollinger).

It is why I really don't mind Brad Johnson even though I'm not really a fan of his. I'm convinced that in a pinch he's not going to kill us. I'm not a fan because who else would want him enough to ask us what it would take to get him? Bollinger is in that category. No one is going to ask.
 

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MichaelWinicki;2233801 said:
Beck, Simms, Bollinger...


I think the Cowboys are doing whatever they can just to have something this year and then next year draft a QB anywhere from rounds 2-4.

I don't think they view any of the guys looked at this year as being a potential long-term solution if Romo went down. If they were then the Cowboys would be much more aggressive at acquiring one. But obviously none of the three is being looked upon as being a long-term solution.

It's all about maintaining this year and then getting a "real" QB next year.

As a side note, I don't think there's a playoff team out there that's really solid at the QB spot if their starter went down. It's the nature of the beast.
What QB in 2009 fits that?


Personally I'd much rather offer a 5th for Beck and have him grooming this year and all off season. The chances we can get a QB more ready than him from the 5th round to UDFA are slim and none. In fact, given the fact he has some NFL experience I'd say the chances we can get a better option from the 3rd round on are close to slim and none.

What is a better cost?

I'm greedy.
 

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Hostile;2233802 said:
FWIW, I still wouldn't hate the idea of adding Duante Culpepper once Brad Johnson is gone if we do not make a move for Beck or Simms. I like backups who have had some success in the NFL (Culpepper and Simms), and I like backups who are obviously moves towards the future of the franchise (Beck). Not too crazy about backups who do not inspire at least a little confidence that they can keep the ship afloat in an emergency (Bartel & Bollinger).

It is why I really don't mind Brad Johnson even though I'm not really a fan of his. I'm convinced that in a pinch he's not going to kill us. I'm not a fan because who else would want him enough to ask us what it would take to get him? Bollinger is in that category. No one is going to ask.

I don't like Culpepper. I don't like the kind of person he is. Definitely not the type of person that the great Cowboys history was built on. He is the type to look down on others. I don't like that type of person and I would prefer not to taint the Cowboys with that type of person. There is a reason he doesn't have a job right now.
 

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Hostile;2233810 said:
What QB in 2009 fits that?


Personally I'd much rather offer a 5th for Beck and have him grooming this year and all off season. The chances we can get a QB more ready than him from the 5th round to UDFA are slim and none. In fact, given the fact he has some NFL experience I'd say the chances we can get a better option from the 3rd round on are close to slim and none.

What is a better cost?

I'm greedy.

Who would have guessed that Romo fit that?

If the Cowboys thought Beck was worth a 5th, he'd be here.
 

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I agree with you Hos, and I think that a guy like Simms or Beck are beter options than Bollinger. But I also think that a guy like Harrington, (if he's still out there unsigned) is a better option than the other two guys.

First of all Harrington has to realize by now that he is not a starting QB in the NFL. He should be happy for a chance to be on a good, winning team, with a chance at the ring. I think we can win a few games with him if he has to play. And he is still rather young. I think Simms still see himself as a starter, which he won't be here.

This is actually becoming a trend in the NFL, to have a former #1 pick be your backup. NYG, Denver, Buffalo, Pitt are doing this right now. I wouldn't mind brining Beck in here as well. Maybe we can wait to see if the Smith in SF Leinert in Ariz gets cut in the next year or so.

I think that Bollinger is what he is, an emergency QB, who couldn't make it even as a 3rd stringer with Minnesota and the Jets, even when those teams didn't have a strong stable of QBs.
 

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I'm guessing Garrett has the choice between Bartel and Bollinger.

Money is not an issue, His pick....?
 

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Hostile;2233810 said:
What QB in 2009 fits that?


Personally I'd much rather offer a 5th for Beck and have him grooming this year and all off season. The chances we can get a QB more ready than him from the 5th round to UDFA are slim and none. In fact, given the fact he has some NFL experience I'd say the chances we can get a better option from the 3rd round on are close to slim and none.

What is a better cost?

I'm greedy.
Why does it matter? I mean honestly? By the time Beck is ready to play, he's going to need to retire at 31. Last year he showed a pretty good arm and some ok mobility, and nothing else, really. Anyone we'd be getting is in that same realm of worthless mediocrity that will ultimately be completely useless to us, will end up costing us a draft pick, and then just signing somewhere else in two years to be someone else's worthless backup.

I don't see the point of acquiring any of these "Potential As-Yet-Unfulfilled" backups out there. What's the end-game? It can't be anything else than eventually just saying goodbye, thanks for holding placekicks and a clipboard for the past 2 season.

I agree with Winicki. If we acquire a QB like that, it will be taking a chance in the late rounds of an upcoming draft - not giving away our late rounds of the draft for someone who has already proved they're not starting material. There's simply no point to it.
 

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superpunk;2233838 said:
Why does it matter? I mean honestly? By the time Beck is ready to play, he's going to need to retire at 31. Last year he showed a pretty good arm and some ok mobility, and nothing else, really. Anyone we'd be getting is in that same realm of worthless mediocrity that will ultimately be completely useless to us, will end up costing us a draft pick, and then just signing somewhere else in two years to be someone else's worthless backup.

I don't see the point of acquiring any of these "Potential As-Yet-Unfulfilled" backups out there. What's the end-game? It can't be anything else than eventually just saying goodbye, thanks for holding placekicks and a clipboard for the past 2 season.

I agree with Winicki. If we acquire a QB like that, it will be taking a chance in the late rounds of an upcoming draft - not giving away our late rounds of the draft for someone who has already proved they're not starting material. There's simply no point to it.


Would you really put Beck in that category at this point?
 
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