3WR vs. 2 TE

[waldoputty]

Ugly game Thur.
So ugly I had trouble posting...

I saw somewhere Zeke gets at least as many yards in the 12 formation (2 TE) compared to the 11 formation with 3 WR.

However, those stats had mostly Swaim instead of Escobar.
Since Escobar is an inferior blocker, why not run from the 3WR sets instead?

 

[CATCH17]

I saw somewhere Zeke gets at least as much yards in the 12 formation (2 TE) compared to the 11 formation with 3 WR.

However, those stats had mostly Swaim instead of Escobar.
Since Escobar is an inferior blocker, why not run from the 3WR sets instead?

I don't know what the stats say but I noticed this early on.

Going 3 wide gets a guy out of the box which i'm all for.

I'll never be a fan of consistently running against 8 & 9 men fronts.



Also, it why a guy like Vince Mayle or another TE in the draft could be so effective in those packages that defenses cheat badly against us in with those loaded boxes.

I really want another dynamic TE on this roster and I hope we draft a guy this spring.


Jake Butt and Jeremy Sprinkle are at the top of my list for realistic guys we can get in the 2nd to 3rd round.

 

[waldoputty]

I don't know what the stats say but I noticed this early on.

Going 3 wide gets a guy out of the box which i'm all for.

I'll never be a fan of consistently running against 8 & 9 men fronts.



Also, it why a guy like Vince Mayle or another TE in the draft could be so effective in those packages that defenses cheat badly against us in with those loaded boxes.

I really want another dynamic TE on this roster and I hope we draft a guy this spring.


Jake Butt and Jeremy Sprinkle are at the top of my list for realistic guys we can get in the 2nd to 3rd round.

I saw in some tweet from media that Zeke got ~5.5 ypc for either 11 or 12 formation.

But the 12 formation now is not the same as the 12 formation with Swaim.

I dont think we can afford to spend more picks on TE.
We need DE, DE, and more DE.
I would also pick a RT before a TE at this point.
Lets hope Rico can be ready next year.
I suspect he is blocking better than Escobar already.
But there may be issues with playing football like what to do in certain blitz pickups that can get a QB nailed.
Though hard to believe that is worse than having Free play...

 

[CATCH17]

I saw in some tweet from media that Zeke got ~5.5 ypc for either 11 or 12 formation.

But the 12 formation now is not the same as the 12 formation with Swaim.

I dont think we can afford to spend more picks on TE.
We need DE, DE, and more DE.
I would also pick a RT before a TE at this point.
Lets hope Rico can be ready next year.
I suspect he is blocking better than Escobar already.
But there may be issues with playing football like what to do in certain blitz pickups that can get a QB nailed.
Though hard to believe that is worse than having Free play...

I understand we need defense but we can't go into the draft with only the defense in mind.


We need to do some work in Free Agency this year and i'm not talking about the Benson Mayowas of the world.

We need some above average Vets to come in and play for us on the defense or in a backup TE role as well.

The draft needs to be about acquiring the best talent and hopefully the best talent is Front 7 players and DB's.

I really feel like the TE position is critical with how we run the football though. More now than ever.

 

[Clove]

The heavy package is a very good package to run from. It is a Zeke break away type package. I'd keep it.

 

[Nova]

Jake Butt and Jeremy Sprinkle are at the top of my list for realistic guys we can get in the 2nd to 3rd round.

Oh c'mon, those aren't even real names

 

[JJHLH1]

Anything we can do to keep Escobar off the field will be beneficial to the team. His 2 penalties last night stalled 2 drives and could easily have cost us the game in a close contest like that.

 

[xwalker]

Ugly game Thur.
So ugly I had trouble posting...

I saw somewhere Zeke gets at least as many yards in the 12 formation (2 TE) compared to the 11 formation with 3 WR.

However, those stats had mostly Swaim instead of Escobar.
Since Escobar is an inferior blocker, why not run from the 3WR sets instead?

In general I like running from 3 Wide. The problems is that Beasley is really challenged to block and Dez sometimes gives no effort to block. Butler has not been very good at blocking either. The best blockers have been Lucky and TWilliams. They are now trying to integrate Mayle into the mix as a blocking WR. He is physically good at it but has missed assignments.

I'm not certain that Escobar has been as bad as people claim. They've had a couple of big runs this season right behind Escobar blocks. One of the penalties on Escobar in the Vikings game was bogus and the other one wouldn't be called by some refs.

 

[CATCH17]

In general I like running from 3 Wide. The problems is that Beasley is really challenged to block and Dez sometimes gives no effort to block. Butler has not been very good at blocking either. The best blockers have been Lucky and TWilliams. They are now trying to integrate Mayle into the mix as a blocking WR. He is physically good at it but has missed assignments.

I'm not certain that Escobar has been as bad as people claim. They've had a couple of big runs this season right behind Escobar blocks. One of the penalties on Escobar in the Vikings game was bogus and the other one wouldn't be called by some refs.

I was really campaigning for Anquan Boldin this offseason because of this..

I thought he was the perfect hybrid player for us on early downs and could give us the Receiving / blocking combo.


Now I just want a hybrid TE. A Jordan Reed type or a young Witten type that can line up in the slot and run routes like a WR or can block like an offensive tackle.


I'm hoping Mayle does some of this eventually.

 

[waldoputty]

In general I like running from 3 Wide. The problems is that Beasley is really challenged to block and Dez sometimes gives no effort to block. Butler has not been very good at blocking either. The best blockers have been Lucky and TWilliams. They are now trying to integrate Mayle into the mix as a blocking WR. He is physically good at it but has missed assignments.

I'm not certain that Escobar has been as bad as people claim. They've had a couple of big runs this season right behind Escobar blocks. One of the penalties on Escobar in the Vikings game was bogus and the other one wouldn't be called by some refs.

is Beas always in 3WR sets or do we also throw with Dez/Twill/Butler?

 

[Afigueroa22]

Now I just want a hybrid TE. A Jordan Reed type or a young Witten type that can line up in the slot and run routes like a WR or can block like an offensive tackle.

You and the rest of the league.

 

[CATCH17]

You and the rest of the league.

I think some people are yawning at the thought of another TE but i'm the exact opposite and I've been a guy that has yawned the TE move in the past but right now I think another stud TE really puts this offense over the top and at the very least helps Zeke and the offensive tackles.

 

[Macnalty]

Anything we can do to keep Escobar off the field will be beneficial to the team. His 2 penalties last night stalled 2 drives and could easily have cost us the game in a close contest like that.

I really had a problem with his penalties they were very superficial calls IMO. Similar to the holding call that negated Zeke's 42 yard run. The vikes have a great defense no need for the refs to augment their talent.

 

[Doomsday]

Drafting DEs is great and we certainly need to do so, however we are also going to have to pick up a DE in FA.

As for the 3rd WR, I would rather see more Beasley and Butler than Escobar.

How bout some Butler and Williams outside with Dez in the slot on early downs?

 

[waldoputty]

I think some people are yawning at the thought of another TE but i'm the exact opposite and I've been a guy that has yawned the TE move in the past but right now I think another stud TE really puts this offense over the top and at the very least helps Zeke and the offensive tackles.

the offense is plenty explosive.
fix the RT and we are fine.
3WR can replace most of the 2 TE run plays and do almost as well.
we should probably wait for the sleeper rico to wake.
just because we sign a FA DE and draft a #1 DE, that may not be enough.
our pass rush is beyond bad.
3 of the 4 DEs probably should be replaced.
Mayowa- he has 4 games to show whether he is a cut
TCrawford - waste of $
JCrawford - do not resign
Lawrence - not great but need to keep someone
Irving - better inside.

 

[CATCH17]

the offense is plenty explosive.
fix the RT and we are fine.
3WR can replace most of the 2 TE run plays and do almost as well.
we should probably wait for the sleeper rico to wake.
just because we sign a FA DE and draft a #1 DE, that may not be enough.
our pass rush is beyond bad.
3 of the 4 DEs probably should be replaced.
Mayowa- he has 4 games to show whether he is a cut
TCrawford - waste of $
JCrawford - do not resign
Lawrence - not great but need to keep someone
Irving - better inside.

I completely agree with you but i'm all for drafting a Offensive Tackle or Tight End if the defensive player in the 2nd round on down is the BPA.

 

[waldoputty]

I completely agree with you but i'm all for drafting a Offensive Tackle or Tight End if the defensive player in the 2nd round on down is the BPA.

RT I agree with.
I really think we should be running more 3WR

 

[conner01]

I understand we need defense but we can't go into the draft with only the defense in mind.


We need to do some work in Free Agency this year and i'm not talking about the Benson Mayowas of the world.

We need some above average Vets to come in and play for us on the defense or in a backup TE role as well.

The draft needs to be about acquiring the best talent and hopefully the best talent is Front 7 players and DB's.

I really feel like the TE position is critical with how we run the football though. More now than ever.

People are gonna freak out when we don't take a de in the first rnd but that's what I expect to happen. If I was guessing today just based on where players look like they will go, I would bet on a CB or wr there. That's where the talent looks like it will be at the bottom of the round and they have been pretty good at going bpa lately

 

[TheHerd]

People are gonna freak out when we don't take a de in the first rnd but that's what I expect to happen. If I was guessing today just based on where players look like they will go, I would bet on a CB or wr there. That's where the talent looks like it will be at the bottom of the round and they have been pretty good at going bpa lately

That's why we have to go DE in free agency, and not a third tier long shot. We've been successful because we've entered the draft in good shape

 

[links18]

Jake Butt and Jeremy Sprinkle are at the top of my list for realistic guys we can get in the 2nd to 3rd round.

Let's get 'em both. The possibilities are endless with a Butt and a Sprinkle on the team.....