4-3 defense?

[shooterware94]

I know its not happening but do you think this team is better off at the 4-3 instead of the 3-4 we dont have a real good nt and alot of 3-4 defenses do like pittsburgh with hampton, san deigo with williams, patriots with wilfork. Ferguson is ok but nothing special. Would a 4-3 defense suit us better. I think so ware, ratliff, tank and ellis would be dominate at the front 4. What do you guys think?

 

[stealth]

I think we play the 3-4

 

[Taz]

I think we play the 3-4

but we play the 4-3 better

in fact our best D plyer ware as LB even plays on the line.

 

[theogt]

but we play the 4-3 better

in fact our best D plyer ware as LB even plays on the line.

We don't play a 4-3 at all.

And if you're referring to our nickel defense, according to Football Outsiders, our defense is #20 overall on 1st downs, #2 overall on 2nd downs, and #20 overall on 3rd downs.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't know if we do or not. The only time he really plays on end is in the Nickel. That isn't really a 4-3 alignment then.

I don't know if we'd be better in a 4-3 or not. What would you do with all your ends then? Then you'd have Ware, Spencer, Ellis, Canty, Spears, and Hatcher playing end.

6 guys for 2 spots? I don't know how well that would work. Unless of course you intention is to have Spencer play one of the OLB's. I suppose we'd see Burnett moved back to OLB to play the other spot and keep James in the middle.

*Shrugs* I don't know.

 

[theogt]

I don't know if we do or not. The only time he really plays on end is in the Nickel. That isn't really a 4-3 alignment then.

I don't know if we'd be better in a 4-3 or not. What would you do with all your ends then? Then you'd have Ware, Spencer, Ellis, Canty, Spears, and Hatcher playing end.

6 guys for 2 spots? I don't know how well that would work. Unless of course you intention is to have Spencer play one of the OLB's. I suppose we'd see Burnett moved back to OLB to play the other spot and keep James in the middle.

*Shrugs* I don't know.

Obviously Canty, Spears, and to an extent Hatcher, wouldn't play end in a 4-3.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Ok...then what are you going to do with them? Cut them? Cause they're certainly not going to play OLB.

 

[Taz]

We don't play a 4-3 at all.

And if you're referring to our nickel defense, according to Football Outsiders, our defense is #20 overall on 1st downs, #2 overall on 2nd downs, and #20 overall on 3rd downs.

first year parcell was here we played the 4-3
along with all that time before then too.

parcell was the reason we changed . and we played the 4-3 better

 

[theogt]

first year parcell was here we played the 4-3
along with all that time before then too.

parcell was the reason we changed . and we played the 4-3 better

The majority of our defensive players weren't even on the team in '04.

And no, that defense was not better than the '07 defense.

 

[AsthmaField]

Ok...then what are you going to do with them? Cut them? Cause they're certainly not going to play OLB.

Canty, Ratliff and Spears would have to be DT's in a 4-3. Hatcher might could play some LDE, but he'd probably be a DT too.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

We did? With all these players? Hmmm...I'm pretty sure we have never played it with Ware. Never played it with Spears. Never played it with Canty, Ratlif, or Spencer.

I don't know where you're getting the idea we'd play it better with the personell we have here.

 

[Laker24diehard]

ware, ratliff, tank and ellis sound pretty damn sick! I'd say that would be tight as hell! The linebackers could be ROLB Akin Ayodele, ILB Bradie James, LOLB Spencer. That would be a front seven to wrecken with!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Canty, Ratliff and Spears would have to be DT's in a 4-3. Hatcher might could play some LDE, but he'd probably be a DT too.

Hmmm...don't know if I like that, at all. I don't know why but I just don't like that.

 

[AsthmaField]

first year parcell was here we played the 4-3
along with all that time before then too.

parcell was the reason we changed . and we played the 4-3 better

I'm not sure it was better that this year's D... regardless of ranking. The pressure and turnovers we got this year was better than we ever had under Zimmer.

We have 3-4 personnel, period. And our coach is a 3-4 guru and has been for decades.

We're going to be playing a 3-4 and we all need to get used to it.

 

[Taz]

I'm not sure it was better that this year's D... regardless of ranking. The pressure and turnovers we got this year was better than we ever had under Zimmer.

We have 3-4 personnel, period. And our coach is a 3-4 guru and has been for decades.

We're going to be playing a 3-4 and we all need to get used to it.

but this D is better since Ware is one of the best defense players in the whole league. He can play anywhere and still dominate. Just wait untill he put him as a CB and blitz him ..j/k

 

[ayjackson]

I think Spears would make a fine 4-3 DT....and I expect he may find his way into that alignment for another team next year.

The 4-3 vs. 3-4 debate is always a fun one. I think we must have one of the few teams in the league that could go either way without bringing in anyone (and still have a good defense).

FWIW, I think our first unit would be Ware-Ratliff-Johnson-Ellis on the line with Carpenter-James-Burnett at LB (sam-mike-will).

 

[Doomsday101]

I know its not happening but do you think this team is better off at the 4-3 instead of the 3-4 we dont have a real good nt and alot of 3-4 defenses do like pittsburgh with hampton, san deigo with williams, patriots with wilfork. Ferguson is ok but nothing special. Would a 4-3 defense suit us better. I think so ware, ratliff, tank and ellis would be dominate at the front 4. What do you guys think?

I think both are very good defenses as long as the players execute it. There are some real dog 4-3 teams in this league so what system you run in my view is not as important than the execution of that system. When we were running the 4-3 towards the end people complained as well.

 

[Yeagermeister]

If we were to switch back to a 4-3 who would be our mlb? Some of you seem to forget Bradie James sucked in the 4-3.

We should stick to the 3-4 move Rat back to DE and move Spears to NT. Fergie and Spears should be a very good tandem. I'm just not sold on Tank as a NT. He got moved out of too many plays last season.

 

[Doomsday101]

If we were to switch back to a 4-3 who would be our mlb? Some of you seem to forget Bradie James sucked in the 4-3.

We should stick to the 3-4 move Rat back to DE and move Spears to NT. Fergie and Spears should be a very good tandem. I'm just not sold on Tank as a NT. He got moved out of too many plays last season.

I do agree that James looks better in the 3-4 and I think the 3-4 suits Ware and his abilities as for Tank I wonder how much conditioning or lack of affected Tank. Having missed the time he did I think we may get a better read on him in this defense next season with a full minicamp and training camp under his belt.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

I think Spears would make a fine 4-3 DT....and I expect he may find his way into that alignment for another team next year.

The 4-3 vs. 3-4 debate is always a fun one. I think we must have one of the few teams in the league that could go either way without bringing in anyone (and still have a good defense).

FWIW, I think our first unit would be Ware-Ratliff-Johnson-Ellis on the line with Carpenter-James-Burnett at LB (sam-mike-will).

I disagree, becasue the technicalities of playing every position in a 4-3 vs. a 3-4 are different. It is unrealistic to ask players to learn two positions and expect them to play well as a unit in either a 4-3 or 3-4 allignment, especially as these allignments change randomly from play to play when switching between schemes in a game. Too much confusion will set in and the defense will actually get worse because of blown assignments, so why invite that possibility? The reality is that the level of talent on the filed matters much more for defensive success than does the defensive scheme used, but only as long as the talent is chosen to fit the scheme. Right now in Dallas the talent fits the 3-4 scheme better, by design, and that's why Dalals has a 3-4 allignemnt.

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