4 round mock

[bodi]

1 Malcom Brown, DT, 6-4, #320 Texas
Michael Bennett, DT, 6-2 #290 Ohio State

2 Nate Orchard, DE, 6-4 #255 Utah

3 I trade away the third pick an go up an get Orchard

4 Jeremy Langford, RB, 6 #205, Mich State

or

David Cobb, RB, 5-11, #210 Minn

or

David Johnson, RB, 6 -1 #225 UNI

Take any one of them

 

[big dog cowboy]

3 I trade away the third pick

Ugh.

 

[bodi]

ah well that's they only way I see getting DT an pass rusher

just like last year

 

[AsthmaField]

No to Brown, he isn't a Marinelli type player in the early rounds. I like Bennett but not that much. He could be the pick at 27 but he'll have to have a really good combine imo.

Orchard won't last long if he even makes it out of the first round. You might would have to give up more than a 3rd to move up enough for him. At least it looks that way right now.

I do like Cobb in the 4th, but again, I'm afraid he won't last that long either.

Not trying to shoot down what you did... it's just how I see it right now. Things could change between now and the draft though.

 

[bodi]

Not trying to shoot down what you did

I know

 

[Idgit]

Yeah, I think I'd rather trade down in the first this year than up in the second unless a player we love at DL somehow falls in our lap. Since that rarely happens, I'd be looking at a trade down. We can upgrade the skills at 3-4 positions defensively with multiple 2s and 3s here.

 

[bodi]

No to Brown, he isn't a Marinelli type player in the early rounds

don't know how any one could guess that

Texas' Malcom Brown

http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...ile-what-i-see-in-malcom-brown-dt-texas.html/

What I liked: Anytime we dig into a player at this position, I am looking for his overall versatility. For instance, is he very good against the run at plugging or is he a penetrating player who is making plays behind the line of scrimmage? Is he a pass rusher or is he a roadblock? Well, if you are going to take a DT in Round 1, he better be able to do both, and I am confident that Brown is that type of guy. He appears to be the 3-technique, although Texas sure had its share of 3-4 (Oklahoma State) where he was almost the 5-technique. But, in his true spot, he is playing outside shoulder on a guard and he is more than a handful for anyone across from him. He stands, sheds, and makes the tackle on a regular basis. He 2-gaps the run, where he can wait, peek, and still swat the guard off to get to the ball carrier. But, his real value is that he is quick off the snap and through a gap with great quickness and lots of plays in the backfield. You absolutely have to love a player who is behind the line of scrimmage this much and although he can get better, the resume already is productive. He overpowers players with his bullrush and his strong swat, as well, and split a guard and tackle on a stunt against Oklahoma State that was very rare for a man of that size.

I'd sure take him

 

[The Realist]

One of these days we will learn that we won't take a 1T in the first round just like Jerry would never take OL in one.

For those who think Rod doesn't value 1T's in one please explain why TB took Booger McFarland at 15 overall when they had Sapp?

Having said that you would have to take Orchard in one then trade up for Davis in 2 because Orchard isn't lasting that long.

 

[AsthmaField]

No to Brown, he isn't a Marinelli type player in the early rounds

don't know how any one could guess that

Texas' Malcom Brown

http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...ile-what-i-see-in-malcom-brown-dt-texas.html/

What I liked: Anytime we dig into a player at this position, I am looking for his overall versatility. For instance, is he very good against the run at plugging or is he a penetrating player who is making plays behind the line of scrimmage? Is he a pass rusher or is he a roadblock? Well, if you are going to take a DT in Round 1, he better be able to do both, and I am confident that Brown is that type of guy. He appears to be the 3-technique, although Texas sure had its share of 3-4 (Oklahoma State) where he was almost the 5-technique. But, in his true spot, he is playing outside shoulder on a guard and he is more than a handful for anyone across from him. He stands, sheds, and makes the tackle on a regular basis. He 2-gaps the run, where he can wait, peek, and still swat the guard off to get to the ball carrier. But, his real value is that he is quick off the snap and through a gap with great quickness and lots of plays in the backfield. You absolutely have to love a player who is behind the line of scrimmage this much and although he can get better, the resume already is productive. He overpowers players with his bullrush and his strong swat, as well, and split a guard and tackle on a stunt against Oklahoma State that was very rare for a man of that size.

I'd sure take him

Well, I certainly don't pretend to have all the answers about what type of DT that Dallas and Marinelli consider to be first round worthy. You might be correct and they take him at 27, I don't know. Personally, I hope they love the guy because it will put another first round DL in play for Dallas.

I haven't spent a ton of time really looking at him closely this early in the process, so here is hoping you're right.

However, just going off of past history with Marinelli and this Dallas 43, Brown doesn't appear to the the quick, penetrating DT that they look for when spending a first round pick. Hopefully, I'm wrong about him.

 

[AsthmaField]

One of these days we will learn that we won't take a 1T in the first round just like Jerry would never take OL in one.

For those who think Rod doesn't value 1T's in one please explain why TB took Booger McFarland at 15 overall when they had Sapp?

Having said that you would have to take Orchard in one then trade up for Davis in 2 because Orchard isn't lasting that long.

McFarland was 6-0, 300 pounds when he was playing next to Sapp. Yes, he did play the 1-tech for Tampa and yes, they did use a first round pick on him. However, he was approximately the same size as Sapp, who was the size that Marinelli likes in his DT's.

So, while you're correct that they did use a first on a 1-tech... he was the same shorter, smaller, quicker DT like Rod likes. That's why I mentioned before (not this thread) that a guy like Michael Bennett (6-2, 290) could be taken at 27 and he could work in as the 3-tech when Crawford is resting or he could play the 1-tech next to Crawford in the Nickle. Or even play at DE in goal line situations.

A guy like Bennett is extremely versatile for Marinelli. A 320 pound run stopper will only play the 1-tech spot and would come out on passing downs. He would primarily be a run stopper and as Jimmy Johnson once said, run stoppers are a dime-a-dozen. Frankly, Dallas could find a big guy to clog the run lanes a whole lot later than the first round. All they will do is bring in a guy like Mincey to rush from DT in the nickle. You don't have to be a great athlete to do be a big run stopper... just big and strong. Those two traits are not rare at all in the NFL.

Marinelli feels like Jimmy Johnson in that pass rushers are the ones you draft high, not the run stoppers. As much as the passing game is dominating pro football these days, a big run stopping DT won't even play that much, and like I said, they can be found in later rounds.

Why draft a huge anchor in the first round, even if he is a good pass rusher for his size, when you can just put in Hayden or Terrell McClain on run downs and then bring in a quick, good pass rusher like Mincey on pass plays? Hayden and McClain are just as good against the run as the 320 pound guy is, and Mincey (or someone like him) will be a way better pass rusher in the nickle.

Now, if Marinelli thinks Brown is an exceptional inside pass rusher, then I imagine he will be interested in Brown. However, I just don't see the elite quickness needed for pass rush out of Brown.

 

[bodi]

so I guess he would pass on Suh ?

http://sportdfw.com/2015/01/26/dall...edium=Network&utm_campaign=Around the Network

In any event, Brown is between 6’2-6’4 and, most sources would agree, weighs in at 320 lbs. After this past season, his third with the Longhorns and second as a starter, he was a consensus first team all-American, as well as a finalist for both the Nagurski Trophy (best defensive player) and Outland Trophy (best interior lineman). In 2014, he amassed 15 tackles for loss, six sacks, and eight QB hits

Brown will be an attractive candidate to the Dallas Cowboys for several reasons. Of course, he has the ability to rush the passer which is an obvious need along the defensive line. More than that, though, he’s a commanding presence. At 320, he weighs more than both Tyrone Crawford (282) and Henry Melton (298) – it’s been a while since Dallas has someone of his build up the middle. Brown is still a solid athlete, however, and has excellent lateral quickness, which – along with his weight – is a rare, deadly combination. Malcom Brown not only has the ability to create pressure, but is dominant enough to draw double teams which allows the other linemen to have some fun.

 

[AsthmaField]

so I guess he would pass on Suh ?

No, but Suh is 305 pounds, not 320.

Plus, Brown is no Suh. If he was he would be the first overall pick.

 

[bodi]

Marinelli feels like Jimmy Johnson in that pass rushers are the ones you draft high, not the run stoppers

so why did JJ draft Russell Maryland 1st rd ?

had 15 in 5 years ?

they only pass rusher JJ had was Haley

 

[The Realist]

McFarland was 6-0, 300 pounds when he was playing next to Sapp. Yes, he did play the 1-tech for Tampa and yes, they did use a first round pick on him. However, he was approximately the same size as Sapp, who was the size that Marinelli likes in his DT's.

So, while you're correct that they did use a first on a 1-tech... he was the same shorter, smaller, quicker DT like Rod likes. That's why I mentioned before (not this thread) that a guy like Michael Bennett (6-2, 290) could be taken at 27 and he could work in as the 3-tech when Crawford is resting or he could play the 1-tech next to Crawford in the Nickle. Or even play at DE in goal line situations.

A guy like Bennett is extremely versatile for Marinelli. A 320 pound run stopper will only play the 1-tech spot and would come out on passing downs. He would primarily be a run stopper and as Jimmy Johnson once said, run stoppers are a dime-a-dozen. Frankly, Dallas could find a big guy to clog the run lanes a whole lot later than the first round. All they will do is bring in a guy like Mincey to rush from DT in the nickle. You don't have to be a great athlete to do be a big run stopper... just big and strong. Those two traits are not rare at all in the NFL.

Marinelli feels like Jimmy Johnson in that pass rushers are the ones you draft high, not the run stoppers. As much as the passing game is dominating pro football these days, a big run stopping DT won't even play that much, and like I said, they can be found in later rounds.

Why draft a huge anchor in the first round, even if he is a good pass rusher for his size, when you can just put in Hayden or Terrell McClain on run downs and then bring in a quick, good pass rusher like Mincey on pass plays? Hayden and McClain are just as good against the run as the 320 pound guy is, and Mincey (or someone like him) will be a way better pass rusher in the nickle.

Now, if Marinelli thinks Brown is an exceptional inside pass rusher, then I imagine he will be interested in Brown. However, I just don't see the elite quickness needed for pass rush out of Brown.

Booger and Maryland were no pass rushers.

We could use a DT that may not be a great pass rusher but has elite size and strength and enough quickness to puss the pocket back in the QB's face. One that demands attention to free up the rest of the DL and keep OL from getting to the 2nd level on LB's.

I think a guy like Carl Davis would be a physical tone setter for the D like Ro was early in the season.

 

[egn22]

David Cobb for some reason is this years go to RB for CowboysZone. Everyone is including him in their mocks and now we are trading picks for the dude.

This reminds me of the Montee Ball fascination last year. By the time the draft actually came around Montee was being referred to as the next Emmit Smith.

I'm not calling out the OP because I'm sure you have your own reasons for picking who you did in this mock. I'm just pointing out that Cobb seems to be the boards go to RB and the hype is growing.

*my bad, I just realized I said you traded up for Cobb and that is false. The trade up was for Orchard.
Either way I still think the Cobb hype is definitely growing.

 

[Alexander]

However, just going off of past history with Marinelli and this Dallas 43, Brown doesn't appear to the the quick, penetrating DT that they look for when spending a first round pick. Hopefully, I'm wrong about him.

I do not think that (i.e. Aaron Donald) exists in this draft, early as in first round worthy where we have a legitimate shot anyways.

Then you look at players that have some potential later on to be that gap shooting DT, like Davis or later on, Cooper, Grady Jarrett or Gabe Wright.

I would rather not force the DL pick if it comes down to it. There are plenty of areas we need quantity at, the DL being one of them.

We just need an impact player at 27. If that does not exist, try to trade down and kill the draft with multiple premium picks.

 

[Alexander]

Booger and Maryland were no pass rushers.

We could use a DT that may not be a great pass rusher but has elite size and strength and enough quickness to puss the pocket back in the QB's face. One that demands attention to free up the rest of the DL and keep OL from getting to the 2nd level on LB's.

They might think they have that in Brent already. I don't see why they would assume he will be that, but I think they could believe that. I doubt they look at a widebody with that pick. They want edge and speed IMO.

I think a guy like Carl Davis would be a physical tone setter for the D like Ro was early in the season.

If the reports about him coming across as lazy and arrogant in interviews are true, I do not want him nor do I think the team would.

If players like Nick Hayden have jobs based on effort and guts, you better believe whomever we draft has similar traits.

 

[The Realist]

David Cobb for some reason is this years go to RB for CowboysZone. Everyone is including him in their mocks and now we are trading picks for the dude.

This reminds me of the Montee Ball fascination last year. By the time the draft actually came around Montee was being referred to as the next Emmit Smith.

I'm not calling out the OP because I'm sure you have your own reasons for picking who you did in this mock. I'm just pointing out that Cobb seems to be the boards go to RB and the hype is growing.

*my bad, I just realized I said you traded up for Cobb and that is false. The trade up was for Orchard.
Either way I still think the Cobb hype is definitely growing.

I like Cobb, but David Johnson is much better, well rounded and far more versatile in my opinion. Phenomenal in the passing game both blocking and catching. He's 6-2/229 and started out as a WR. Runs WR routes from the RB position not just screens, dump offs and wheel routes, but deep seems, slants and post patterns. Also averaged 36 per kickoff return this year.

 

[Alexander]

I like Cobb, but David Johnson is much better, well rounded and far more versatile in my opinion. Phenomenal in the passing game both blocking and catching. He's 6-2/229 and started out as a WR. Runs WR routes from the RB position not just screens, dump offs and wheel routes, but deep seems, slants and post patterns. Also averaged 36 per kickoff return this year.

The back we take, if we let Murray go, probably needs to be a lot like Johnson or Cobb.

They need to be better than Randle at catching the football, better at returns etc.

I like the player, probably just as much if not more than Cobb.

Johnson's erect running style bothers me some, but there are skills to work with there.

All in all, any back we have needs to be able to be decisive and run well with zone blocking. Johnson has played with that at Northern Iowa.

 

[The Realist]

The back we take, if we let Murray go, probably needs to be a lot like Johnson or Cobb.

They need to be better than Randle at catching the football, better at returns etc.

I like the player, probably just as much if not more than Cobb.

Johnson's erect running style bothers me some, but there are skills to work with there.

All in all, any back we have needs to be able to be decisive and run well with zone blocking. Johnson has played with that at Northern Iowa.

I think we take a back like DJ or Cobb whether we lose Murray or not.